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[Ryzaki]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

I'm of two minds on this. While on the one hand, it is always sad when a woman can't have a child even if they want to.

On the other hand, can anyone really say they think Miranda would be a good mom? Ice queen? Yeah she thaws, but at the same time she still has really bad people skills.

I think I'd feel worse for her child. Miranda's a great character, she just isn't the maternal type.

Nor do I think Shepard would be the ideal father.

He strikes me as the stereotypical career military man. He'd be a Marine first, a husband and father second. I just can't imagine him settling down and living a quiet life complete with prefab and white picket fence.

In many ways Miranda and Shepard would make a great couple, but I think they probably would do better childless.

Your Shepard. Not mine. :innocent:   

At this point in time my Shep's tired of the political bull**** and just wants to go back to Earth and find someone to be with. He's sick of the alliance, the council and Cerberus. 

[Silentmode]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

I'm of two minds on this. While on the one hand, it is always sad when a woman can't have a child even if they want to.

On the other hand, can anyone really say they think Miranda would be a good mom? Ice queen? Yeah she thaws, but at the same time she still has really bad people skills.

I think I'd feel worse for her child. Miranda's a great character, she just isn't the maternal type.

Think about how Miranda behaves toward Oriana.

Exactly my point. If you read the Dossiers for Miranda, she sounds like she would be a horrible mom. Cut and paste romance advice, overbearing and intrusive, and just plain mean.

A lot of the dossiers were funny particularly Legion's but Miri's was definatly the most enlighting into her character. Miranda never developed proper social skills in her youth and is suffering from that but I don't believe that would make it impossible for her to parent a child properly as long as her values are in order and heart is in the right place. Miranda's not devoid of love and compassion, she just doesnt know how to express it and besides all that having children changes people. I hope her sterility is a sub-plot players can explore in ME3 if they romanced her.

At Aedan_Cousland
I'd agree that Shep would probably not make a good father, probably worse than Miranda as a mother.

Modifié par Silentmode, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:01 .

[CroGamer002]

Nightwriter wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

Indeed.

But there was a spike in Miranda appreciation afterward (a slight spike, but still a spike).

Wait, can Jack have children?

[Aedan_Cousland]

Your Shepard. Not mine. :innocent:   

Sure. Someone can imagine their Shepard settling down someday, donning a cardigan, and going on to become the 23rd Century version of Mr Rodgers if they want to. Or maybe hanging up his gun for a paintbrush and easel, living the rest of his days painting happy little trees.

But let's face it, Shep in game is a stereotypical career military man no matter how you play him. Whether you play him as a paragon or renegade his dialogue portrays him that way. Those types generally don't make for good fathers or husbands.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:06 .

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

Indeed.

But there was a spike in Miranda appreciation afterward (a slight spike, but still a spike).

Wait, can Jack have children?

...Why would anyone want Jack to have children? 

I mean...does she seem like the mothering kind? Not trying to bash or anything but she would need some serious help before I'd trust her with a kid. 

Though...with all those experiments run on her...isn't she going to die soon anyways? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Your Shepard. Not mine. :innocent:   

Sure. Someone can imagine their Shepard settling down someday, donning a cardigan, and going on to become the 23rd Century version of Mr Rodgers if they want to. Or maybe hanging up his gun for a paintbrush and easel, living the rest of his days painting happy little trees.

But let's face it, Shep in game is a stereotypical career military man no matter how you play him. Whether you play him as a paragon or renegade his dialogue portrays him that way. Those types generally don't make for good fathers or husbands.

How so? Him being focused on the mission means that's all that's too him/her? Really? Once again. I don't care how you play your Shep saying all Shepards are like yours is ridiculous because it's not true. 

And also: I doubt a sterotypical career military constantly questions his/her superiors. Which is one of the Sheps you're able to play. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Silentmode]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Garrus' is depressing; anyone wonder if he is going to leave the team to strike out on his own again by ME3?

As much as I love Garrus as a character, I hope so! I'd love to see him return in ME3 as a Spectre. So far every other Spectre we've encountered after Nihlus has been an enemy. I'd like to run into one in ME3 that was an ally, and who better for that role than Garrus?

I speculated before ME2 came out Garrus would become a Spectre and I'm still hopeful he becomes one before the series is over he deserves it and it would be nice to see a spectre who doesnt die in the first 30 minutes or is an antagonist. In fact despite him being my favorite ME character I think I'd rather him be a spectre and do his own thing to help than tag along as a party member agian, I sort of feel like its a wasted potential thing.

[SaltBot]

Silentmode wrote...
I sort of feel like its a wasted potential thing.

Indeed, as tear-jerking as Garrus' correspondence with his sister was, the most heartbreaking part (for me) was the SB's assessment that Garrus would never reach his true potential if he continued to serve under Shepard.

For me, Garrus is Shep's best friend, reliable second-in-command, and most apt pupil that Shepard has spent the past two games instilling with a belief in doing the right thing (mercifully sparing first Saleon and then Sidonis). Can't in good conscience keep him from being all he can be, but it's hard to part ways with him.

Modifié par SaltBot, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:23 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Garrus as a spectre sounds cool but i dont think his father would allow it.

[Purge the heathens]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Garrus as a spectre sounds cool but i dont think his father would allow it.

Assuming his father is still alive. Plus, I think Garrus is a bit too old to obediently do as daddy says.

[Nightwriter]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

I'm of two minds on this. While on the one hand, it is always sad when a woman can't have a child even if they want to.

On the other hand, can anyone really say they think Miranda would be a good mom? Ice queen? Yeah she thaws, but at the same time she still has really bad people skills.

I think I'd feel worse for her child. Miranda's a great character, she just isn't the maternal type.

Think about how Miranda behaves toward Oriana.

Exactly my point. If you read the Dossiers for Miranda, she sounds like she would be a horrible mom. Cut and paste romance advice, overbearing and intrusive, and just plain mean.

I actually found her conversation with Oriana very endearing.

[GodWood]

Mesina2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...
Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

Indeed.
But there was a spike in Miranda appreciation afterward (a slight spike, but still a spike).

Wait, can Jack have children?

Not with those scars.
It looks like shes been subject to a vivisection.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Wait, can Jack have children?

Not with those scars.
It looks like shes been subject to a vivisection.

She cut herself because all the cool kids were doing it.

The poetry was written afterwards.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:50 .

[Christmas Ape]

re: Jack as a mother, I just want to say three words.

Hormonal. Mood. Swings.

[Nightwriter]

I think people here underestimate the reality-warping effect a child can have on a person.

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...

I think people here underestimate the reality-warping effect a child can have on a person.

Not after a freak summer storm becomes "your f---ing fault" they don't....

[Dave of Canada]

Nightwriter wrote...

I think people here underestimate the reality-warping effect a child can have on a person.

But I don't see it changing Jack too much. She always had the dog-eat-dog attitude to the world, she probably wouldn't want a child in the first place.

[GodWood]

Since we're speaking of Jack and babies

[GuardianAngel470]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Your Shepard. Not mine. :innocent:   

Sure. Someone can imagine their Shepard settling down someday, donning a cardigan, and going on to become the 23rd Century version of Mr Rodgers if they want to. Or maybe hanging up his gun for a paintbrush and easel, living the rest of his days painting happy little trees.

But let's face it, Shep in game is a stereotypical career military man no matter how you play him. Whether you play him as a paragon or renegade his dialogue portrays him that way. Those types generally don't make for good fathers or husbands.

There's a balance to be had. There are good military fathers that fit the stereotypical military man persona. Paragon Shep is compassionate, especially if you romance Jack, and his ship doesn't really have a chain of command.

Just look at his brief talk with Joker. "I'm probably lucky you're still wearing pants" comes to mind.

[GuardianAngel470]

Purge the heathens wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Garrus as a spectre sounds cool but i dont think his father would allow it.

Assuming his father is still alive. Plus, I think Garrus is a bit too old to obediently do as daddy says.

I'll follow you anywhere Shepard.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Purge the heathens wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Garrus as a spectre sounds cool but i dont think his father would allow it.

Assuming his father is still alive. Plus, I think Garrus is a bit too old to obediently do as daddy says.

True, but it seems Garrus relationship with his father is already strained since he travel with Shepard and Cerberus no less, so he can be glad  if his father doesnt rally C - sec against to set him straight.

He apparently doesnt understand that Garrus is different from Saren. 

[Kurt M.]

SaltBot wrote...

Silentmode wrote...
I sort of feel like its a wasted potential thing.

Indeed, as tear-jerking as Garrus' correspondence with his sister was, the most heartbreaking part (for me) was the SB's assessment that Garrus would never reach his true potential if he continued to serve under Shepard.

For me, Garrus is Shep's best friend, reliable second-in-command, and most apt pupil that Shepard has spent the past two games instilling with a belief in doing the right thing (mercifully sparing first Saleon and then Sidonis). Can't in good conscience keep him from being all he can be, but it's hard to part ways with him.

100% my thoughts. If I were my Shepard, I'd have taken measures against Garrus' degradation due to my influence. For example, gradually giving him more independence, responsability and pressure in order to improve his leading capabilities and skills, and later splitting the team into 5 and 5 (luckily there are enough specialists to spare, and I think that Shepard would rarely need more than 5 people to do his job). At first, I'd continue being in command, but as the new team gains confidence into Garrus capacities, it'd gradually be changing into a more equitative relationship.

And besides, against the Reapers it's better to have as many heroes as we can

[Evelinessa]

PrimalEden wrote...

Garrus' is depressing; anyone wonder if he is going to leave the team to strike out on his own again by ME3?

Yeah, I got that feeling from his dossier. I want him to be a spectre or something but I want him to stay on the squad. I especially want him to stay because my first shep(and so far only shep) romanced him. He is my favorite character.

[GuardianAngel470]

Gladiador2 wrote...

SaltBot wrote...

Silentmode wrote...
I sort of feel like its a wasted potential thing.

Indeed, as tear-jerking as Garrus' correspondence with his sister was, the most heartbreaking part (for me) was the SB's assessment that Garrus would never reach his true potential if he continued to serve under Shepard.

For me, Garrus is Shep's best friend, reliable second-in-command, and most apt pupil that Shepard has spent the past two games instilling with a belief in doing the right thing (mercifully sparing first Saleon and then Sidonis). Can't in good conscience keep him from being all he can be, but it's hard to part ways with him.

100% my thoughts. If I were my Shepard, I'd have taken measures against Garrus' degradation due to my influence. For example, gradually giving him more independence, responsability and pressure in order to improve his leading capabilities and skills, and later splitting the team into 5 and 5 (luckily there are enough specialists to spare, and I think that Shepard would rarely need more than 5 people to do his job). At first, I'd continue being in command, but as the new team gains confidence into Garrus capacities, it'd gradually be changing into a more equitative relationship.

And besides, against the Reapers it's better to have as many heroes as we can

I wrote a fan fiction about that very subject. It doesn't play out the way you describe, but it all works out in the end.

[Nightwriter]

Garrus's made me

Seriously, I felt concern bordering on alarm. I kept thinking "I had no idea", and wanting to help somehow.

Which reminds me: I will be really, really, really disappointed if nothing in these dossiers is ever addressed, if we're never allowed to act on it and they just turn out to be meaningless freebies.

Like, never talk to Miranda about her infertility. Never tell Liara her mom is Aethyta. Never help Garrus's mom.