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[Kurt M.]

Nightwriter wrote...

Garrus's made me

Seriously, I felt concern bordering on alarm. I kept thinking "I had no idea", and wanting to help somehow.

Which reminds me: I will be really, really, really disappointed if nothing in these dossiers is ever addressed, if we're never allowed to act on it and they just turn out to be meaningless freebies.

Like, never talk to Miranda about her infertility. Never tell Liara her mom is Aethyta. Never help Garrus's mom.

Aethyta is actually the "father", and anyway it's not confirmed. But yes, it'd be sad. I'd love to fix Garrus the way I said.

Oh, well, no ME2 Toolset, no mods. A real pity

[uzivatel]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Personally my favorite has to be Grunt's.  Who know he was interested in Dinosaurs and Ernest Hemingway.

Dinosaurs seem like something Krogans could like, Vaenia on the other hand...
Speaking of which, Garrus and Morinth have somewhat similar tastes.

[SaltBot]

Ah yes, "character development"...



(too soon?)

[GuardianAngel470]

Nightwriter wrote...

Garrus's made me

Seriously, I felt concern bordering on alarm. I kept thinking "I had no idea", and wanting to help somehow.

Which reminds me: I will be really, really, really disappointed if nothing in these dossiers is ever addressed, if we're never allowed to act on it and they just turn out to be meaningless freebies.

Like, never talk to Miranda about her infertility. Never tell Liara her mom is Aethyta. Never help Garrus's mom.

Garrus already helped his mom. That was what I found so great about his, he took initiative and got mordin to help.

As for the rest, I agree that we had better be able to introduce Liara to Aethyta, but I don't know about talking to Miranda about her infertility. To me, that seems like the sort of thing only a femshep/romance would do, and I'm neither most of the time.

But that's just me.

[GuardianAngel470]

SaltBot wrote...

Ah yes, "character development"...

(too soon?)

No.

Bad.

[Xrissie]

SaltBot wrote...

Ah yes, "character development"...

(too soon?)

Psht. Back under your bridge, you.

[uzivatel]

No "dossier Liara"? Wonder what she is hiding... then again, there is no "dossier Shepard" either, which is even more surprising.

[GodWood]

uzivatel wrote...
No "dossier Liara"? Wonder what she is hiding... then again, there is no "dossier Shepard" either, which is even more surprising.

How is the lack of a Shepard dossier suprising?
Bioware would be stupid to put one in.

[Nightwriter]

GodWood wrote...

uzivatel wrote...
No "dossier Liara"? Wonder what she is hiding... then again, there is no "dossier Shepard" either, which is even more surprising.

How is the lack of a Shepard dossier suprising?
Bioware would be stupid to put one in.

BioWare would be a genius to put one in.

A composite dossier of all your decisions, relationships, some of your conversation choices, a psychological profile detailing your personality and reputation, a reflection of everything you are, and have made yourself to be, in this game.

It would, in essence, be an RPG treasure trove.

[A.N.A.N]

uzivatel wrote...

No "dossier Liara"? Wonder what she is hiding... then again, there is no "dossier Shepard" either, which is even more surprising.

Why would shepard need to more more about herself?

[uzivatel]

GodWood wrote..

How is the lack of a Shepard dossier suprising?
Bioware would be stupid to put one in.

Why?

A.N.A.N wrote...

Why would shepard need to more more about herself?

It would be interesting to see what Shadow Broker thought / knew about Shepard.
Back in 90s many people in my country used the option to look into the archives of the former secret police to see what they knew about them. This would be similar and it sure makes more sense to me than looking into private correspondence of my squad-mates.
Who knows? Maybe we would find something surprising?

Modifié par uzivatel, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:18 .

[Ieldra]

MrDizaztar wrote...
Its sad that Miri can't have children though.

There are several ways out for her to have children that are biologically hers. Among other things, the condition described should be easily curable, and the doctor's recommendation is implausible. More details in the Miranda Lawson FAQ (scroll down to part IV). 

I like most of the dossiers, only I very much resent that all other characters have gotten humorous side-notes, while Miranda has acquired a serious problem. If they don't give me a way out of that in ME3, I'll be seriously pissed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:13 .

[GodWood]

uzivatel wrote...

GodWood wrote..
How is the lack of a Shepard dossier suprising?
Bioware would be stupid to put one in.

Why?

It'd assume things about my Shepard that I'd deem out of character thus ruining my role-playing.

Nightwriter wrote...
BioWare would be a genius to put one in.
A composite dossier of all your decisions, relationships, some of your conversation choices, a psychological profile detailing your personality and reputation, a reflection of everything you are, and have made yourself to be, in this game.
It would, in essence, be an RPG treasure trove.

These are all things your brain can do.

Modifié par GodWood, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:21 .

[GuardianAngel470]

GodWood wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

GodWood wrote..
How is the lack of a Shepard dossier suprising?
Bioware would be stupid to put one in.

Why?

It'd assume things about my Shepard that I'd deem out of character thus ruining my role-playing.

Nightwriter wrote...
BioWare would be a genius to put one in.
A composite dossier of all your decisions, relationships, some of your conversation choices, a psychological profile detailing your personality and reputation, a reflection of everything you are, and have made yourself to be, in this game.
It would, in essence, be an RPG treasure trove.

These are all things your brain can do.

I would assume they would have one document comprised of several other documents strung together such that it reflected your actions.

[GodWood]

Which would be pointless as you should already know what you did and why you did it.

[Ieldra]

GodWood wrote...
Which would be pointless as you should already know what you did and why you did it.

Actually, that's wrong. I have several Shepards, and while they, of course, know what they did, I do not know every decision made by every one of them anymore. A summary of important decisions made would be very helpful. 

[Nightwriter]

Actually there was a thread about this a while back. Shepard's dossier could cover:

- Background/career history.
- Your relationship with the Council. (were you a diplomatic Spectre? a confrontational one?)
- Your Spectre reputation/public view. (how did you handle Al-Jilani? how does the galaxy see you?)
- Your ME1 LI, if you had one.
- Your ME2 LI, if you have one.
- What your ME2 crew thinks of you.
- Your decisions on Feros.
- Your decisions on Noveria.
- Your decisions on Virmire.
- Your relationship with the Migrant Fleet.
- Your relationship with Legion and the true geth.
- Your relationship with the krogan and Wrex.
- Your relationship with the Alliance. (including Kaidan/Ash and Anderson)
- Your relationship with Cerberus.
- The Collector base decision.
- Miscellaneous reports about some of your acquaintances: the Consort, Parasini, Shiala, Emily Wong, Conrad, Captain Bailey, etc.
- Alliance service history. (what kind of recruit were you? how did your trainers see you?)
- Lazarus Project information. (they need to address Shepard's resurrection more)
- If Shepard is a biotic there be a conversation between Cerberus operatives whether to abduct Shepard to take to the Teltin facility.

This actually provides new information. The objective of the dossier isn't to restate what you already know, it's to give you responses to it.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:36 .

[philiposophy]

It makes sense that the Shadow Broker would have a dossier on Shepard, and also that Liara would think Shepard would be interested in seeing it. It could be more than just a list of decisions, but have notes by the Broker commenting on your decisions and actions.

[Ryzaki]

The problem with writing a dossier for Shep though is it would have to be ridculously neutral and cover a vast amount of possibilities.

...So it really makes perfect sense that they didn't make one for Shep. The last thing they probably wanted to do was step on someone's toes.

For instance there were paragons who were rude to the council (points to self) and renegades who might've been polite, there were paragades and renegons, there were people who were friendly only to certain crew members and some who were friendly to all (and some who were douchebags to everyone)...and that's only the beginning. Combine that with the possibilities for origins and yeah...it gets confusing and ridiculously complicated. 

And it just being a list of the choices you've made would've been lame. We already know all of that. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Nightwriter]

Nope. More like:

Romanced someone? An entry in the dossier that relates to your romance.

Gave Tali the ME1 geth data? An email from Captain Danna to Rael'Zorah saying how awed he was by her gift.

Saved the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the Council discussing you, privately.
Killed the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the new Council discussing you, privately.

These are all decisions that are already flagged. They're all pretty straightforward.

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...
...So it really makes perfect sense that they didn't make one for Shep. The last thing they probably wanted to do was step on someone's toes.

They did that already with Miranda's infertility. So what's stopping them with Shepard?

...
OK...you're right.

[philiposophy]

Nightwriter wrote...

Nope. More like:

Romanced someone? An entry in the dossier that relates to your romance.

Gave Tali the ME1 geth data? An email from Captain Danna to Rael'Zorah saying how awed he was by her gift.

Saved the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the Council discussing you, privately.
Killed the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the new Council discussing you, privately.

These are all decisions that are already flagged. They're all pretty straightforward.

This!

And some more stuff about Shepard's background and history.

• Ruthless - deranged email from mentally unstable Major Kyle demanding Alliance High Command court matial Shepard.
• Sole Survivor - Alliance/Cerberus doctors like Dr Wayne discuss how Shepard got away but they at least were able to acquire Toombs for further study.
• War Hero - an officer on Elysium recommends Shepard for the Star of Terra.

etc.

[DPSSOC]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
but I don't know about talking to Miranda about her infertility. To me, that seems like the sort of thing only a femshep/romance would do, and I'm neither most of the time.

But that's just me.

I can't even think of a tactful way to approach that and I do romance Miranda.  What the hell could you say?  Maybe talk to her about her conversation with Oriana and how she's adjusting to no longer being a big sister from the shadows, but I can't see how you could approach that topic without really pissing her off.

A.N.A.N wrote...

uzivatel wrote...
No "dossier Liara"? Wonder what she is hiding... then again, there is no "dossier Shepard" either, which is even more surprising.

Why would shepard need to more more about herself?

She wouldn't, but it might be interesting to see what other people know about herself or things that concern her that she's presently unaware of.

For example Sole Survivor Shep could have an entry where Alliance Brass are discussing an honorable discharge immediately after the events on Akuze, stating the unlikelihood of her recovering (mentally) from the ordeal, and having someone (Hackett perhaps) shoot the idea down (perhaps suggesting they give her a chance to recover before saying she can't.

Similar entries could exist for Ruthless (Brass discussing a court martial) and War Hero (Alliance discussing taking you out of active duty for use as a poltical prop).

Or they could have an entry showing that the Illusive Man and/or the Shadow Broker have been watching Shepard's career for some time.

Little tidbits like that just to increase the immerssion (we're expected to accept the Shadow Broker has nothing, absolutely nothing, on Shepard).  I wouldn't want anything about Shepard specifically (making reference to actions taken by Shepard) unless it was just stuff from the first game, I like that they keep Shepard's history vague.

[Dean_the_Young]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Garrus's made me

Seriously, I felt concern bordering on alarm. I kept thinking "I had no idea", and wanting to help somehow.

Which reminds me: I will be really, really, really disappointed if nothing in these dossiers is ever addressed, if we're never allowed to act on it and they just turn out to be meaningless freebies.

Like, never talk to Miranda about her infertility. Never tell Liara her mom is Aethyta. Never help Garrus's mom.

Garrus already helped his mom. That was what I found so great about his, he took initiative and got mordin to help.

As for the rest, I agree that we had better be able to introduce Liara to Aethyta, but I don't know about talking to Miranda about her infertility. To me, that seems like the sort of thing only a femshep/romance would do, and I'm neither most of the time.

But that's just me.

Why would she need you to introduce the two of them?

[Dean_the_Young]

philiposophy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Nope. More like:

Romanced someone? An entry in the dossier that relates to your romance.

Gave Tali the ME1 geth data? An email from Captain Danna to Rael'Zorah saying how awed he was by her gift.

Saved the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the Council discussing you, privately.
Killed the Council? Put in a recorded conversation of the new Council discussing you, privately.

These are all decisions that are already flagged. They're all pretty straightforward.

This!

And some more stuff about Shepard's background and history.

• Ruthless - deranged email from mentally unstable Major Kyle demanding Alliance High Command court matial Shepard.
• Sole Survivor - Alliance/Cerberus doctors like Dr Wayne discuss how Shepard got away but they at least were able to acquire Toombs for further study.
• War Hero - an officer on Elysium recommends Shepard for the Star of Terra.

etc.

Ruthless, I think, should be more about the reputation from outside the Alliance: between the batarians/mercs/whatnot whoare on the receiving end of the reputation. War Hero I don't have much of a say on, though perhaps an extra-net article from the view of a Council race? Sole Survivor I disagree: Cerberus and Shepard should remain separated. That goes for the idea of the Teltin as well (though that would have to be a retcon, as Shepard only was discovered as a biotic at age 15, after Teltin). If Cerberus has to be related, it should be more of they were the 'Alliance' folks who rescued him/her, in order for Shepard to return and give the Alliance its information. Shepard 'getting away' from Cerberus just seems so... well, why? How? Cerberus's role was never supposed to be in anyway apparent.