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[MrnDvlDg161]

Welcome to the world of the Space Opera where things are stretched and the people you run into just happen to know the other guy, second from the left who died early on because he was merely a prop job in order for the plot to continue.

Never look for a game, that has to be tightened and furnished in a narrow scope, to be some multi-branching novel with sub plots and more plots to those sub plots. It. is. A. Game. The rest, the player's imagination must do in the end because you already know you can't have this massively expanding game...or you'll never finish the thing with anyone happy.

Its just like when ME fans want to quote book lore to the game lore --- the two shouldn't be mistaken as something that's solidly bridged together.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 24 octobre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Epic777]

Wrex meet Saren.....

[LessThanKate]

I don't know if the "small world" approach was necessarily lazy. Apparently it's a very rare and dire situation when either a Spectre or Justicar shows up, so for one to meet the other, it would surely be a memory that stands out for Samara. It is for the enjoyment of the player; you wouldn't have any reason to care if it was, for example, some Salarian Spectre you would otherwise never meet. Maybe it would have been more realistic, but again, no reason to care.



You know what I think is lazy? There being three Jacobs within two games. Does someone at Bioware really like that name or what?

[Stazro]

Epic777 wrote...

Like tali, luckily having the evidence you needed to start your mission against saren despite geth frying their memory cores.

That's completely different. It's not like the person we wanted to recruit anyway luckily has some information, we recruit her, because of it. If Tali didn't have the recording, she wouldn't be in the game.

[dgumb]

What about Mordin knowing Kirahe? Or Rana Thanoptis just coincidentally working with O'keer? Or Shiala just coincidentally being in one of the same three or four areas of Illium that Shepard shows up in? Or Conrad Verner showing up in the one bar on Illium that Shepard happens to walk into? None of those give me any pause, but those are at least as coincidental as Samara having run into Nihlus, no?

Modifié par dgumb, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Epic777]

Stazro wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Like tali, luckily having the evidence you needed to start your mission against saren despite geth frying their memory cores.

That's completely different. It's not like the person we wanted to recruit anyway luckily has some information, we recruit her, because of it. If Tali didn't have the recording, she wouldn't be in the game.

How? In the ME universe it would be highly unlikely to ever happen. It is the same chance as Samara fighting Nihilus. However do not misunderstand me, I never said it was a bad thing. This a staple for all genres of all media, the viewer, reader etc. has to suspend belief. No one is watching "Pretty Woman" and thinking why would a rich guy fall in love with a Hollywood prostitute. 
The other point of that post was that me1 has the same thing

[tonnactus]

Well,mordin served under captain kirrahe...

[Iz Stoik zI]

tonnactus wrote...

Well,mordin served under captain kirrahe...

Clearly immersion breaking.

[DukeOfNukes]

Epic777 wrote...

Stazro wrote...

That's completely different. It's not like the person we wanted to recruit anyway luckily has some information, we recruit her, because of it. If Tali didn't have the recording, she wouldn't be in the game.

How? In the ME universe it would be highly unlikely to ever happen.

He said how. She's in your party because she has that information...she's in the game because she had that information. Samara isn't in the game because she's run into Nihilus. You recruited her because she's a pretty ****g brutal Justicar. They explained it to you (briefly)...Tali knows of a method to keep all of the memory core from being fried. You might as well have stated "it's like Shepard being onboard the Normandy"

I can see the OP's point, but I'm sure she's run into other Spectre's and just wanted to tell you the stuff that's relevant to you. How she knows you ran with Nihilus is a bit of a plot hole, but is easily dismissed.

[Epic777]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Stazro wrote...

That's completely different. It's not like the person we wanted to recruit anyway luckily has some information, we recruit her, because of it. If Tali didn't have the recording, she wouldn't be in the game.

How? In the ME universe it would be highly unlikely to ever happen.

He said how. She's in your party because she has that information...she's in the game because she had that information. Samara isn't in the game because she's run into Nihilus. You recruited her because she's a pretty ****g brutal Justicar. They explained it to you (briefly)...Tali knows of a method to keep all of the memory core from being fried. You might as well have stated "it's like Shepard being onboard the Normandy"

I can see the OP's point, but I'm sure she's run into other Spectre's and just wanted to tell you the stuff that's relevant to you. How she knows you ran with Nihilus is a bit of a plot hole, but is easily dismissed.

wrex happens to run into saren the spectre some time before you had even went to eden prime, if samara meeting a spectre is a little plot hole, me1 suffers from the same thing(s).

[AdmiralCheez]

This whole business sounds less like lazy writing and more like a cheap shot to get people who have played ME1 to connect with Samara's character by provoking an omigosh-I-know-that-guy reaction. Also, for an expendable plot device, Nihlus was a pretty cool guy (he shoots them geth and doesn't afraid of anything), and deserved to be at least mentioned in ME2.



Cheap or no, it worked on me. Samara is an official bro. Sis. Whatever.

[GuardianAngel470]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

This whole business sounds less like lazy writing and more like a cheap shot to get people who have played ME1 to connect with Samara's character by provoking an omigosh-I-know-that-guy reaction. Also, for an expendable plot device, Nihlus was a pretty cool guy (he shoots them geth and doesn't afraid of anything), and deserved to be at least mentioned in ME2.

Cheap or no, it worked on me. Samara is an official bro. Sis. Whatever.

Well, that is what I would call lazy writing. To include characters that don't really make any sense because it is easier to make the audience connect with the situation instead of inventing new characters that you get the audience to care about is called lazy writing.

[Louis_Cypher]

The Nihlus thing does seem like somewhat lazy writing to me (and, incidentally, it doesn't matter how long Samara has lived, because Nihlus wouldn't have been around until recently).



The Collector thing, less so. She specifically mentions that you're fighting the Collectors when agreeing to work with you. It's entirely possible that that's part of the reason she was identified as a possible team member: TIM knew she was willing to fight the collectors.

[AdmiralCheez]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

To include characters that don't really make any sense because it is easier to make the audience connect with the situation instead of inventing new characters that you get the audience to care about is called lazy writing.

Not disagreeing with you at all here, but I actually just read a thread yesterday about how BioWare throws in too many characters and should stick to a small cast.  Probably doesn't apply here, since you're talking more about letting each member of the cast stand on his/her own and less about how many characters there are, but I still find it funny that both sides of the spectrum have something to fuss about.

So yes, BioWare's writing gets a little lame 15% of the time, but the other 85% is pure awesomeness.  I don't mind a few "WTF IS THIS" moments so long as I'm not doing it every three minutes.  Of course, I'd prefer to have none at all...