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[Tigress M]

I am one of those people who find Wynne annoying these days.  I didn't always feel this way, but after 10 months of putting up with her nonsense, she's really gotten to where I can't stand her.  

I began wondering if the reasons for my dislike were truly personal or if the general dislike expressed by many here in the forums  had swayed my opinion of her.  After much thought about this during my current playthrough, I've come to the conclusion that my disdain is solely based on her utter annoyance, and here's just a few of the many reasons, why.

The very top of the list is her comments to the Sloth Demon in the Fade.  "We found each other in this place..."  Excuse me???  We????  We didn't do anything, you old biddy!  You, a mage with years of experience in the Fade, couldn't tell you were caught in a stupid dream!  I'm the one who traipsed all over that nightmare, finally fighting my way to your rescue and what do you do?  Jump down my throat and tell me how rude and disrespectful I am!  We, indeed!  

Number two.  As a Cousland, her lecture about the roles of a leader is just too much to bear.  As if I haven't had these ideas drilled into my head since the day I was born. Who do you think you are to try to tell me, a Noble, about power.  

Number three.  What on earth do you know about being a Grey Warden and all the stress that comes with that?  So what if I want to enjoy someone's company along the way?  It's none of your business who I choose to share my bed with!  

Anyone else feel like venting their Wynne frustrations?  Trust me, it will make you feel good.  

[turian councilor Knockout]

I couldnt agree more, Wynne is also always bickering about your romance choice (she doesnt want them to get hurt).



I usually leave Wynne in the camp and give Morrigan spirit healer Specialization because she is less annoying.

[TJPags]

I'm finding Wynne more annoying than previously in this playthrough, and for many of the same reasons you mentioned.



Wynne gets trapped in the Fade, and is QUITE b*tchy when you find her. Yet Morrigan, while trapped, KNOWS it's a dream. SO why's Wynne such a great mage, huh?



I also play as a HN, and again, don't like the lectures about duty - especially since since just came out with the whole "oh yea, I'm an abomination" revelation. Wait - didn't we just spend some time crawling through the Tower killing things like you?



I'm really seeing her preachy side this game. Might be because I'm not travelling with her. When I've done that in prior games, I just didn't find her as annoying. Could that be it?

[Esbatty]

Yeah she tells you in Ostagar camp that she doesn't "dispense advice because nobody listens" yet you want to know more about her and she turns it around on you into a sternly worded crapping on your banging of Morrigan.

But I always recruit her because well... she's a saucy minx. I can't help it she's just... sexy. I'm crazed I guess but... yeah, I lust her so much. Just like Dr. Chakwas. Older ladies know how to party.

Modifié par Esbatty, 24 octobre 2010 - 03:10 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

One thing i really dont understand is why Wynne is calling Morrigan for maleficar when she is not but i guess old ****es like her never learn.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 24 octobre 2010 - 03:17 .

[Sarah1281]

You know, Sten can realize that he's in the Fade and he's not even a mage nor does he have the main character plot immunity going for him. What's Wynne's excuse?



And yes, I can't stand her preachiness, her presumption, her judgemental nature, that fact that her 'wisdom' seems based on how old she is and how many platitudes she's memorized, her being concerned that the big mad Warden would hurt poor innocent Alistair and 'guileless' ex-bard Leliana (seriously, she clearly knows nothing about Leliana) while not worrying at all for them hurting the Warden (which Alistair especially is prone to do post-Landsmeet), her lecturing the Warden on how Morrigan and Zevran are only after sex and how even if this is true she has no faith that the Warden can be getting regularly laid and still defeat the Archdemon...for whatever reason, she tells the mage Warden that nothing is more important than stopping the Blight...except for going back to the Tower like Wynne herself won't do, she has so little faith in the Warden she thinks that they would put something above EVERYTHING, she wants Aneirin who was gracious enough to forgive her for failing as a teacher and almost leading to his death to go back to imprisonment in the Tower now that he's finally happy, she won't stop ****ing at Loghain who comes off as far more reasonable and rational than her in their banters, she thinks Orlais reconquering Ferelden would be just great because there would be peace in subjugation...

[ejoslin]

Her talk when you romance Zevran...  Even the VO notes say she's disgusted by your behavior.  The other three are at least a bit supportive and concerned -- but omg, no, not with Zevran.  As if it's ANY of her damned business.  It's not homophobic as it's identical for males and females, but ugh, it is BAD.

Edit: I cannot stand her in the fade as well.  When she just starts yelling at my warden... Hahahaha.  She's an awesome character, but SO sanctimonious.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 octobre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Tigress M]

ROFL! See? Doesn't it feel great to vent your frustrations about that obnoxious old coot? TJ and Sarah, you're both right... Morrigan and Sten know it's a dream, why doesn't the almighty, all-knowing Wynne realize it?

I, too, have gotten so annoyed with her that I no longer take her along in my party unless I absolutely have to (like when I'm not playing a mage and need both her and Morrigan's freezes to keep the High Dragon still so I can slice him open).

[Face of Evil]

I still think Wynne is awesome.

[ejoslin]

She can be awesome as a mage, and annoying as hell at the same time. With Wynne, you have to suck up and be her latest apprentice, or else she has a nasty, nasty attitude. Her advice is often inappropriate as well.

Her blowing up at the warden in the fade, and also her complete unawareness of a) how little she helped, and how much the warden actually did is overbearing.

Wynne has put the Gray Wardens up on a pedestal and puts it all on your warden to live up to an impossible ideal. She has no faith in the Warden's competence -- she seems to really believe that the warden will throw everything away for a romance partner, for power, for whatever. She thinks that the warden, who is an adult in a very difficult situation, cannot handle it. Wynne, who knows nothing of being a gray warden, tells the warden how she must act, behave, believe, and even thinks it's her business with whom the warden has sex with.  She completely does not understand that the warden is an adult, and a pretty extraordinary adult at that.

She doesn't even feel you should be allowed to relax at the end of the day -- you should, 24/7, live up to her ideal.  Though no one could possibly do such a thing.

I find her obnoxious.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 octobre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Face of Evil]

She is awesome in terms of her personality as well as her combat effectiveness.

[CalJones]

This isn't the first Wynne hate thread by a long shot. Try this.

[ejoslin]

@CalJones I had a lot to say about her there as well



@Face of Evil, if you like preachy, sanctimonious people, that's awesome for you Not everyone does. But I'm glad that you enjoy her character!

[Persephone]

Regarding Loghain at least she later admits that she has been wrong about him.

But most of her platitudes usually come back to bite her where it really hurts. I also agree with ejoslin, her talk about Zevran is not only inappropriate but utterly tasteless. If she weren't the only healer available.....*Gnashes teeth*

[naledgeborn]

Wynne's funny. When I talk to her in camp she scolds me for banging Morrigan and all I hear is "blah, blah-blah blah...". The she goes on and on about being a Grey Warden. You would think she was there when Garahel slew Andoral. She certainly seems old enough. She's just a crazy old cat lady that rides the bench as Morrigan's sub.

[Zjarcal]

CalJones wrote...

This isn't the first Wynne hate thread by a long shot. Try this.

But we can't have too many of this! :happy:

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:08 .

[TJPags]

ejoslin wrote...

She can be awesome as a mage, and annoying as hell at the same time. With Wynne, you have to suck up and be her latest apprentice, or else she has a nasty, nasty attitude. Her advice is often inappropriate as well.

Her blowing up at the warden in the fade, and also her complete unawareness of a) how little she helped, and how much the warden actually did is overbearing.

Wynne has put the Gray Wardens up on a pedestal and puts it all on your warden to live up to an impossible ideal. She has no faith in the Warden's competence -- she seems to really believe that the warden will throw everything away for a romance partner, for power, for whatever. She thinks that the warden, who is an adult in a very difficult situation, cannot handle it. Wynne, who knows nothing of being a gray warden, tells the warden how she must act, behave, believe, and even thinks it's her business with whom the warden has sex with.  She completely does not understand that the warden is an adult, and a pretty extraordinary adult at that.

She doesn't even feel you should be allowed to relax at the end of the day -- you should, 24/7, live up to her ideal.  Though no one could possibly do such a thing.

I find her obnoxious.

EXACTLY!!!!  This is EXACTLY how I'm seeing her in my current playthrough.

And considering it's coming from an abomination who didn't even realize she was trapped in the Fade, and therefore doesn't seem to live up to the "ideal" of a mage, it's quite annoying.

[dbfandillyjam]

She annoys me too but I get her back buy putting her in a party with Zev and Oghren.

[Zy-El]

I find her necessary only so much as I need a Healer in the party. Oft-times I can get away with building my party to kill-before-we-get-killed rather than a battle of attrition.

I'm wondering if our collective annoyance with Wynne is more to do with having to hear her advice again and again from previous play-throughs that has jaded our attitude so. Remember, the Warden character is very young - early 20's - and having just recovered from a traumatic Origin story. All of her senior peers are dead or unavailable whether that be Duncan, father/mother Cousland, Dalish Elder, King of Orzammar, Prince Trian, City Elf Father, . . . She has no one to turn to for advice and counselling. Remember your first play-through and how much you clung to every word Wynne had to say. It helped to play in character.

With regards to her comments about the Warden's love interests. Obviously, Wynne's personal bias towards certain Companions influences her opinions. She did not mind the Warden associating with those that she herself looked kindly upon - Lelianna and Alistair. Of course, she's only being human. Who of us would approve of someone we cared about cavorting with a slimeball, for instance. Get real - if your sister was dating a scumbag, wouldn't you have something to say about that?

[ejoslin]

I never liked Wynne. From the time she ripped my warden a new one in the fade to the time she ripped my warden a new one for being in a relationship, I just... didn't like her or her advice.

As far as her feelings towards Zevran... who cares? It's not her business. She can disapprove all she wants, to herself. She is not your parent, guardian, or anything to you but someone you allowed to join you when she asked.

As far as if it were someone I were actually responsible for, if I was concerned, I CERTAINLY wouldn't put it the way Wynne does. But Wynne actually has no real justification for her feelings there, aside from Zevran does not treat her as a trusted counselor though she desperately tries to put herself into that role for him. He and the warden at that point are in a very affectionate relationship (as much as many people refuse to believe it, when that conversation happens Zevran is committed to the warden, the relationship is at "adore" which means the same thing as it does for the other relationships, and apparently he trusts the warden as much as he does a warden at friendly who has done his personal quest -- it's beyond just physical), he is fighting the blight, same as everyone else in your party, and he is not mistreating the warden in any way, shape, or form.

Edit: I really HATE the argument, Zevran is scum so Wynne should speak up.  It's a false argument for one.  If he were abusing the warden, yeh, maybe, but he isn't.  He is just as caring and devoted as the other romance partners -- but the romance has a different path.

Wynne may not like Zevran, but that does not give her leave to say what she does.  It's just more evidence that her advice has a strong personal bias and is not based in the way things really are.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Sarah1281]

It might help if Wynne asked you if you'd like some advice instead of presuming and actually gave some good advice. Her advice seems to be basically 'Don't put anything else above saving everyone' and 'Remember, everyone loves GWs.' Is this really something groundbreaking that we can't figure out on our own? Besides, her idealistic view of how Grey Wardens SHOULD be isn't very much in line with the reality that GWs have, in the past, burned down entire villages to prevent the spread of the taint and kill people to protect their secrets. Maybe she wants you to act like a saint and maybe you even play a saintly Warden. She is still way off about the order as a whole and convincing you otherwise may actually be detrimental to you in the future.

[Dave of Canada]

Wynne is probably the only character of the Origins cast that I hate.

[Zy-El]

Wynne is an out-spoken person. She says what's on strongly on her mind whereas others would choose to Sten. I'm sure all of us have encountered such out-spoken people in RL. We may not agree with their opinion but we do appreciate their honesty. In all her advice, she always is respectful towards the Warden.

I think the only time she's angry towards the Warden is when defiling the Ashes - and her anger is justified in that case.

[ejoslin]

Her anger is justified? To the point where she tries to kill "Ferelden's only hope"? That she hopes the darkspawn takes the warden? Really? That pretty much invalidates EVERY single piece of advice she has given.

Had she killed the warden, she would have doomed Ferelden -- and given all she had said beforehand, she knows it.

Besides, why does destroying a relic that almost no one knows of, and the few that have heard of it, only one or two actually believes exists, justify THAT much anger? I can see anger, being disappointed, but turning around and trying to kill the warden AFTER it's done? Or leaving, no matter what the warden has done for her, to face the blight without her? What is the important thing to her? Defeating the blight? Apparently not.

Edit: And it's not that she's outspoken.  Hell, Zevran is more outspoken than she is -- it's that the advice she gives is not great, and how she expects the warden to behave is absolutely impossible.  She thinks she knows more than the warden does about things she does not.  She does not give the warden credit for being an adult, for taking care of things that need to be taken care of, etc. She is unwilling to listen, she just wants to be seen as wise.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 octobre 2010 - 05:48 .

[TJPags]

Zy-El wrote...

Wynne is an out-spoken person. She says what's on strongly on her mind whereas others would choose to Sten. I'm sure all of us have encountered such out-spoken people in RL. We may not agree with their opinion but we do appreciate their honesty. In all her advice, she always is respectful towards the Warden.
I think the only time she's angry towards the Warden is when defiling the Ashes - and her anger is justified in that case.

Well, let's clarify  - I can RESPECT someone being honest, while not APPRECIATING the honesty.

Also - yes, her tone of voice, etc, is respectful when speaking to the Warden.  But some of what she says is not particularly respectful.