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[Reaverwind]

ejoslin wrote...

As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

[Ryzaki]

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

Oh god I couldn't stand that. She tells everybody else they should go back to the tower. Then wtf are you leaving the tower? Why are you so special!

Argh. She makes me want to tear my hair out sometimes.

[Sarah1281]

Ryzaki wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

Oh god I couldn't stand that. She tells everybody else they should go back to the tower. Then wtf are you leaving the tower? Why are you so special!

Argh. She makes me want to tear my hair out sometimes.

She's an abomination and everyone else is either dead or not one? 

[nos_astra]

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

She's been at the tower most of her life, it's not surprising that she's using the legal possibilities to escape the tower once in a while.

As to why she doesn't really want to go back and refuses the job as the First Enchanter - there's this spirit inside of her that is keeping her alive.

Modifié par klarabella, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:29 .

[ejoslin]

klarabella wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

She's been at the tower most of her life, it's not surprising that she's using the legal possibilities to escape the tower once in a while.

As to why she doesn't really want to go back and refuses the job as the First Enchanter - there's this spirit inside of her that is keeping her alive.

She wasn't an abomination when she turned down the first enchanter position I don't think...

Edit: Ok, no, she most definitely was not an abomination yet when she was asked to become First Enchanter.  Here's her codex.

Wynne's talent became apparent early on, particularly her skill at healing magic. She was well-liked by all her mentors, and was recognized as an exceptionally gifted student. Even the templars who watched her could not deny that she represented the best the Circle had to offer. She was an intelligent young woman who possessed a quiet confidence and maturity beyond her years. 

She spent many years mentoring apprentices within the Circle, and her peers thought so highly of her that she was asked to be First Enchanter Irving's successor, but she refused, saying that she had no desire to work in the upper echelons. When word reached the tower of King Cailan's call to arms, Wynne volunteered to go to Ostagar.

It's just another instance of Wynne having much higher expectations of the warden than she, personally, could live up to.  And Wynne had far fewer obligations than a Warden would.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

As for why she thinks he'd want to go back, even if there weren't a great personal risk, I have no clue.  She really does seem to believe that all mages are happier and better off in the circle.

Is that why she's always leaving the Tower?

Oh god I couldn't stand that. She tells everybody else they should go back to the tower. Then wtf are you leaving the tower? Why are you so special!

Argh. She makes me want to tear my hair out sometimes.

She's an abomination and everyone else is either dead or not one? 

Gah. If she knows she's an abomination she really should be silent and stop harping on people on being in the tower. It's not too much to ask.

I mean it'd be different if she went back and hide that she was an abomination (which I think she does for a while anyways) but instead of staying there (where she might be needed) she tries to trail around with the warden. (good thing she's optional. I don't think I'd be able to resist killing her if that was the case. It's hard enough not to kill her for forcing herself into my party during the Tower sigment).

[Reaverwind]

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean it'd be different if she went back and hide that she was an abomination (which I think she does for a while anyways) but instead of staying there (where she might be needed) she tries to trail around with the warden. (good thing she's optional. I don't think I'd be able to resist killing her if that was the case. It's hard enough not to kill her for forcing herself into my party during the Tower sigment).

Having her forced into my party really grinds my gears, especially since she's unessential to the plot.

[Bruddajakka]

You can dump her as soon as the fade is over but then she ends up in camp any ways. I don't really hate her by any means but I do strongly dislike her at times. Especially after you encounter Anerian, and she gets all chosen one on you.

[AnniLau]

Bruddajakka wrote...

You can dump her as soon as the fade is over but then she ends up in camp any ways. I don't really hate her by any means but I do strongly dislike her at times. Especially after you encounter Anerian, and she gets all chosen one on you.

???

If I leave her at the Tower, she stays there.

[Bruddajakka]

If she's not in the party when you defeat Uldred she ends up following you automatically. You don't have the option to not recruit her since the dialogue never occurs.

[Myusha]

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.

Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

[Bruddajakka]

I liked her more during my first couple of times through the game. Now though she gets on my nerves though. She's an enjoyable character when she isn't dispensing advice. It's when she is that it gets grating.

[ejoslin]

Myusha wrote...

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.
Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

Stereotype older people much?  This is actually pretty offensive.  You're saying that everyone over a certain age acts the same way?  Really, people don't all meld into the same personality once they hit 50.  Like all people, some elderly people are smart, some are stupid, some are wise, some have a facade of wise which is actually just dispensing useless advice.  Some are overbearing, some are genuine.  Like all people.  

While I never knew either of my grandmothers, my mom is a grandmother and older than Wynne in fact, and acts nothing like her.  Of course, my mom is smart enough to know there is much that she doesn't know, which may be the biggest difference!

Edit: IF I am misunderstanding this comment -- if you're NOT saying that everyone's grandma is just like Wynne so if you hate her, you hate your grandmother, I apologize.  But it certainly reads that way.  People aren't disliking Wynne for her age; they're disliking her for her behavior.  I personally think it's great they have an older woman as a companion.  But I can't stand her behavior, and most elderly people don't act like that.  Perhaps your grandmother does.  That doesn't mean ALL grandmothers do.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Sarah1281]

Myusha wrote...

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.
Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

Is she? Why? Because she's old? 

[Persephone]

Myusha wrote...

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.
Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

Like her flirting with Alistair once you've found Cailan's armor? That was....disturbing.

[Bahlgan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.
Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

Is she? Why? Because she's old? 

No because she ACTS like one; always trying to help you in ways you cannot understand, in ways that require much thinking over before blurting out as a rebellious youth. The "old" trend is just a coincidence if anything at all. But I understand him in some way, there might be a lot of intolerant people here, some who might have had a bad childhood, who just do not like at all being told what to do, even if it is good for them.

@ Ejoslin - really? To me that is not what he was saying at all. See my above post - I believe he merely was saying that all those around the senior citizen age just merely act it. They feel like they have not much time left and so they try to mentor others who are younger and might make faulty choices. Please don't over react.

Modifié par Bahlgan, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Sarah1281]

@Bahlgan: I disagree that any of Wynne's advice is good for my Wardens. She is nothing like my grandmothers and thank God for that. I don't feel that attempting to lecture you in such a condescending manner about things she knows nothing about is a very grandmotherly trait though I suppose your experiences may be different.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wynne is nothing like my Grandma's.



My Grandma on my Dad's side is an old German lady, who taught me how to cook, and actually gives good advice.

My Grandma on my Mom's side is an old army wife, who has seen a lot of things, and once again gives better advice than Wynne.



Age does not impart wisdom, or give you the right to lecture people younger than you. I have family members who are three times my age, but are idiots. Simply because you have more years to your life than another person does not make them a wiser person, or my grandma.



Wynne gives terrible, and hypocritical advice anyway.

[CalJones]

I'm 43 - if I start acting like Wynne in 7 years, please shoot me.

Bioware do their older male characters pretty well. Canderous and Jolee (KotOR) and Zaeed (ME2) are pretty kickass. As is Loghain, for that matter, if you recruit him.

Wynne, though...ugh. I didn't mind her to start with but as I and others have said umpteen times elsewhere, she really wears you down over time. I'd like to see Bioware do a recruitable, bad ass older woman - a Helena Blake-type character, perhaps. One who doesn't have a stick up her arse, anyway.

[Giggles_Manically]

 Wynne tries to be the wise advisor.
She fails at it compared to Gandalf.

Compare her:
Romance conflicts with duty speech, or her Why the tower needs the mage warden.
to:

THIS              

Wynne is about as far from the wise advisor as you can get.

[KnightofPhoenix]

My grandmothers are nothing like Wynne. One them is a bit nosy, but she provides useful advice.

I don't recall any adfvice from Wynne that I thought was useful or wise. Nothing at all really.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:54 .

[ejoslin]

Bahlgan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Wynne's basically your grandma. Some people love their grandma, Others hate them.
Although I think she's sweet, how she cares about you. And she has an occassional stroke of playfulness.

Is she? Why? Because she's old? 

No because she ACTS like one; always trying to help you in ways you cannot understand, in ways that require much thinking over before blurting out as a rebellious youth. The "old" trend is just a coincidence if anything at all. But I understand him in some way, there might be a lot of intolerant people here, some who might have had a bad childhood, who just do not like at all being told what to do, even if it is good for them.

@ Ejoslin - really? To me that is not what he was saying at all. See my above post - I believe he merely was saying that all those around the senior citizen age just merely act it. They feel like they have not much time left and so they try to mentor others who are younger and might make faulty choices. Please don't over react.

Actually, you just said what I thought was said -- that all older people act the same.  That certainly IS a stereotype, and quite an inaccurate one.  Maybe if you see a grandparent doing such, yeh, it's understandable because we tend to see ourselves in our children.  But as far as elderly people in general?  You REALLY think that people who don't know you well will give useless advice on topics they know nothing about as Wynne does?  And you feel that this is true of all older people?

Yep, it's bigoted.  

Edit: Loghain gives fantastic advice, btw, like right here.  This is something he knows about and can actually give your warden support.  It's not that I find that someone who is older giving advice is offensive, but what Wynne does is beyond obnoxious.  And saying that ALL older people do this is offensive.  Some older people are actually quite intelligent and give useful advice on things they actually have a clue about (it's not an age thing, this is true of people of all ages).

See, useful advice is always appreciated, no matter what the source.  Moral advice, especially from someone who cannot live up to those ideals, but is said as fact, is presumptuous.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Fishy]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


I had corrected myself already. 

Edit: The whole not volunteers was my point. At worst you end up with crazy Branka raiding the surface, at best you end up with her holed in the deep roads with a bunch of golems. ...we still can no longer use the anvil. So what pray tell usefulness did it have other than giving us a trickle of soldiers in the final battle? 

That is metagaming, though.  

Here is what you can find out in Orzammar and in the deep roads:

Orzammar's population is declining.  Between low birth rates and the war with the darkspawn, they're in real trouble.  Whether you get the party bark from Zevran or no, you can learn this.
Golem = 12 Dwarves (I believe).  
There are plenty of people who would volunteer to become a golem.

SO!  Say you have 100 volunteers to become golems -- that's equal to an army of 1200.  THIS can really help turn the tide.  The golems can actually prevent Orzammar from dying, going from the information you actually have.

...So let's not metagame. Let's give the anvil to someone who is obvioulsy insane. That'll work. The whole anvil is useless unless someone is using it properly. If I'm not metagaming the only thing I see is Branka feeding her...what do they call them? Clans or something? To the darkspawn for this anvil. I meet Cardin who tells me how it's been abused and how he regrets creating it. So...instead of listening to its original creator I'm going ot listen to a screaming madwoman? And even if I wanted to keep the anvil I wouldn't because...she's mad. 

I know 2000 virgin that want to sacrifice themself for the glory of you ... Why not?I mean it's their life?.
Even if the Dwarf agree they're clearly manipulated by their socieity or something else.Thus i'm against it no matter what.

You should take a look at Shale.
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I don't hate Wynne at all . Yes it's a cliche but it's also true .Elderly people know more than you.Because they had much more time to think about what they have done than you .

The 20 years old guy  tapping every chick in the camp during a critical mission should be second guessed.You're not a veteran . You're a freshly recruited Grey Warden and if i were into his shoes i would certaintly love advice from someone who has much more experience than my  character.

Does she make mistake? Of course.But it's remind me of those people basicly going wild when they're true because it's give me lever over someone else.It's childish and immature and annoying.

During all of your life ppl that care about you , will lecture you.get over it and .....grow up?

[Sarah1281]

The 20 years old guy tapping every chick in the camp during a critical mission should be second guessed.You're not a veteran . You're a freshly recruited Grey Warden and if i were into his shoes i would certaintly love advice from someone who has much more experience than my character.

Yeah, some quality advice from someone with much more experience might be appreciated. Too bad you get Wynne instead.



And not everyone is 'tapping every chick in camp.'