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[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Yeh, I checked the toolset and he does say that, but here is the VO note that goes with it.

Zevran: And even if I could avoid them, and I might be able to, and even if I could kill your Loghain, and I might, death would still await me. (disappointed, if there were ANY way he would...)
Zevran: So... no, I can't accept such a contract. It wouldn't be right, given the circumstances. (glum, but he's being an honest businessman-- in his bizarre way)

Keep in mind the VO notes are the way the voice is supposed to sound and not really a way of confirming things -- sometimes the way the voice sounds combined with facial animations and the words give an entirely different effect.

Anyway, yeh, if you do Wynne's and Shale's personal quests, they're off to Tevinter where the mages know more about that type of thing.

*wishes she knew how to use the blasted toolset* 

That is a bizaree way. Gah. There has to be a tutorial for seeing the VO notes with the toolset. Everytime I try to use it I never see the convo options.   

Wynne going to Tevinter. Wow. She really does change.

Does she stop being so preechy in that case? 

No, she does not.  

And where do you run into problems with the toolset?  Message me privately over that, and perhaps I can help you.

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

No, she does not.  

And where do you run into problems with the toolset?  Message me privately over that, and perhaps I can help you.

*sighs* 

Why Wynne? 

Why? 



I think I'd prefered annoying Jowan over her. Sure I'd wanted to strangle him every two seconds but it would've been worth it.

...So worth it.

[Dragonslayer1234]

To return to the original question,I really like Wynne,she's a great character and a good mentor.She really fills in the 'grandma' role in the game.When I played as an evil character my heart almost broke when she left because I destroyed the Urn.

[ejoslin]

Dragonslayer1234 wrote...

To return to the original question,I really like Wynne,she's a great character and a good mentor.She really fills in the 'grandma' role in the game.When I played as an evil character my heart almost broke when she left because I destroyed the Urn.

How on earth does this return to the original question?  You obviously did not read the first post, which asked if anyone else feels like venting their frustrations over her.  

She's a terrible mentor, though.  All she does is repeat the same crap, regardless of whether it's appropriate or not.  She has no knowledge of much of the things she rambles on about, and really seems to be completely unaware of how little she actually knows of the topics she tries to be an expert about.

It is sad that she hopes the darkspawn take the warden, even though, all her previous advice makes it clear she knows what that means.  If she is such an expert on gray wardens, she should know exactly what that would mean to the lands.  Just because you don't like someone doesn't make what they're doing invalid.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Sarah1281]

If Wynne had ever given me the impression that she knew what she was talking about, I could have assumed that her 'I hope the darkspawn take you' meant that she hoped you were the one to do the US so at least Ferelden wouldn't be doomed but, alas, she never does.

[Wulfram]

I thought the Tevinters stopped using blood magic after they converted to Andrasteanism?

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If Wynne had ever given me the impression that she knew what she was talking about, I could have assumed that her 'I hope the darkspawn take you' meant that she hoped you were the one to do the US so at least Ferelden wouldn't be doomed but, alas, she never does.

"I hope the darkspawn take you.  You're no better than they are."  I don't see that as hoping the warden dies while defeating them.  I see that as hoping the warden LOSES, and gets dragged under ground, and becomes one of them.

It's much better when you take her to the urn, really.  She may try to kill "Ferelden's only hope," (she tries to kill Alistair as well if he's there), but at least she doesn't say anything so poisonous.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 novembre 2010 - 10:06 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Listening to many of the banters that have been restored something does come out.

Sten and Zevran are far more wise or intelligent that Wynne.



Sten is by far a better teacher than Wynne. If you listen very closely Sten asks you why you hold to things, or why you do things. Wynne just tells you what to believe.

[ejoslin]

Wulfram wrote...

I thought the Tevinters stopped using blood magic after they converted to Andrasteanism?

I don't think so.  The imperial Chantry is different than the Chantry -- the divines are male, for instance..  There are a few Tevinter blood mages in the game.  Nothing is said explicitly about blood mages in Tevinter. Here is the what the wiki says about the Imperial Chantry.  Take it for what it's worth.

[ejoslin]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Listening to many of the banters that have been restored something does come out.
Sten and Zevran are far more wise or intelligent that Wynne.

Sten is by far a better teacher than Wynne. If you listen very closely Sten asks you why you hold to things, or why you do things. Wynne just tells you what to believe.

I do agree, a good mentor would have you examine your beliefs and teach you how to actually think.  

Edit: And you're right about both Sten and Zevran.  Sten's worldview is extremely rigid, but he does try to get you to think about both his and your own beliefs (I LOVE those "hidden" dialogs of his where you can question him further about his party barks).  Zevran is a complete pragmatist -- he's good at seeing things for what they are.  His advice normally is quite practical, though, even though occasionally he lets his emotions enter into it.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 novembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Wulfram]

ejoslin wrote...

I don't think so.  The imperial Chantry is different than the Chantry -- the divines are male, for instance..  There are a few Tevinter blood mages in the game.  Nothing is said explicitly about blood mages in Tevinter. Here is the what the wiki says about the Imperial Chantry.  Take it for what it's worth.

When talking about the Litany of Adralla, Wynne says at the time of the Exalted Marches against Tevinter the Imperial Chantry had forbidden blood magic, though "our" chantry didn't believe them which is why they prepared the litany.

Though the codex entry tells a rather different story about the Litany, confusingly.

[ejoslin]

Wulfram wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I don't think so.  The imperial Chantry is different than the Chantry -- the divines are male, for instance..  There are a few Tevinter blood mages in the game.  Nothing is said explicitly about blood mages in Tevinter. Here is the what the wiki says about the Imperial Chantry.  Take it for what it's worth.

When talking about the Litany of Adralla, Wynne says at the time of the Exalted Marches against Tevinter the Imperial Chantry had forbidden blood magic, though "our" chantry didn't believe them which is why they prepared the litany.

Though the codex entry tells a rather different story about the Litany, confusingly.

Well, we ARE talking about Wynne, and how she thinks she's an expert on things she actually knows nothing about :innocent:

Caladrius is a bloodmage and does not appear to be underground (though he is a slime). 

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 novembre 2010 - 10:29 .

[Giggles_Manically]

ejoslin wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Listening to many of the banters that have been restored something does come out.
Sten and Zevran are far more wise or intelligent that Wynne.

Sten is by far a better teacher than Wynne. If you listen very closely Sten asks you why you hold to things, or why you do things. Wynne just tells you what to believe.

I do agree, a good mentor would have you examine your beliefs and teach you how to actually think.  

Edit: And you're right about both Sten and Zevran.  Sten's worldview is extremely rigid, but he does try to get you to think about both his and your own beliefs (I LOVE those "hidden" dialogs of his where you can question him further about his party barks).  Zevran is a complete pragmatist -- he's good at seeing things for what they are.  His advice normally is quite practical, though, even though occasionally he lets his emotions enter into it.  

I like his one where he talks about the Tal-Vasoth  (?). I never heard Sten being so pissed off before.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I like his one where he talks about the Tal-Vasoth  (?). I never heard Sten being so pissed off before.

This was almost the only time Sten showed emotion this clearly. He was clearly disturbed and disgusted by them. When he was talking about what the Tal Vashoth did to some villagers, the way he was saying it made me all ears.

Very good VA.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 novembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I like his one where he talks about the Tal-Vasoth  (?). I never heard Sten being so pissed off before.

This was almost the only time Sten showed emotion this clearly. He was clearly disturbed and disgusted by them. When he was talking about what the Tal Vashoth did to some villagers, the way he was saying it made me all ears.

Very good VA.

Its suprising to see him almost lose his temper.

[Bigdoser]

As I said before If I want advice about duty I will talk to sten. Not the old lady who thinks she is right and thinks she knows everything about the grey wardens.

[Bruddajakka]

There's a couple banters she has with Morrigan that pretty much make me just want to kick her out of the party. I quoted the dialogue in the Zevran thread but at that point I just get sick of her bull****. Especially since she's already brought up her concern, and I've told her to butt out of it. I mean **** does she honestly think I'm not paying attention to what the party is saying.

[philiposophy]

The thing I found annoying about Wynne was how she talked a great deal about the Grey Wardens despite seeming to know almost nothing about them. So much of what she said was inaccurate...

She has this very idealized image of Wardens as knights in shining armour but the reality is that they are ruthless pargmatists. Blood magic is probably the thing Wynne hates most in the world but the Wardens use it without reservation.

She's also wrong in seeing the men and women who line their ranks as virtuous protectors of the innocent and weak. Wardens do not discriminate by any way except martial worth. They accept anyone no matter what their crimes. In fact, I'd wager that a huge number of them are convicts or sinners. Grey Wardens don't have much concern for day to day injustices and serving the populace of Thedas beyond stopping the Blight no matter what the cost.

My mage Warden just wanted to tell her, "I'm not the great hero that you think I am Wynne. You ought to despise me. I was sentenced to death by Knight-Commander Greagoir for helping a blood mage escape Circle Tower, something for which I have no regrets. It was only Duncan's intervention that caused Irving and Greagoir to agree to let me go on the basis that undergoing the Joining and living a life of hardship in the Wardens would suffice as my death sentence."

Modifié par philiposophy, 02 novembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Giggles_Manically]

The restored Wynne-Blood Mage confrontation is interesting to listen to.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah I love how Irving of all people covers for the Warden. As much grief as the man gets you definitely get the impression he actually cares about the Warden.

[Sarah1281]

And it's pretty clear that GREAGOIR, of all people, is also going along with the cover-up. Seriously, when the First Enchanter and Knight-Commander are both trying to get Wynne to shut up, maybe she should consider listening.

[philiposophy]

What's this blood mage confrontation?

Edit: never mind, found it on YouTube.

Modifié par philiposophy, 03 novembre 2010 - 12:08 .

[Bruddajakka]

It's too bad she was born a Mage. Would have made a lovely Revered Mother.

[Rattleface]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The restored Wynne-Blood Mage confrontation is interesting to listen to.

Is this not in the vanilla game?

[ejoslin]

No. It can break the game, making it impossible to start the landsmeet as you can lose both the templars and the mages.