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[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And how are the dwarves, who need said anvil, going to reach it? The Legion of the Dead doesn't even make it that far.

It takes time for Darkspawn to reorganize, especially with the whole events of Awakening. A large enough group escorting the volunteers could probably make it. More so if you picked Bhelen who has the Casteless push deeper into the Deep Roads and recovering thaigs.

Once there's a few golems created, the area pretty much becomes a fortress and the Golems most likely assist any future volunteers.

Like those golems assisted the Warden?    

We don't know how Branka set up the area. But I doubt it'd be very "newcomer" friendly. 

And doesn't Bhelen try to reach her but can't? Due to the golems and the lot? 

After she fortifies herself, sure.  He had no problems reaching her at first.

Which means that the dwarves would have a hard time reaching her then. Because she would've fortified herself as much as she could before she died. 

How sad. She'll die all alone down there completely insane surronded by nothing but immortal weapons. 

[Ryzaki]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You said making Wardens could be misused. Yet the general populace doesn't know how to make them.

And the average person doesn't know how to operate the Anvil. It was just a stupid comparison based solely on the fact that both can be misused and nothing else. I get that you don't like it. Debating a comparison to death is utterly pointless and I'm done with that.

The comparison makes no sense. What tatical gain is there in making a bunch of wardens when there's no blight? 

It makes as much sense as shipping political enemies into the military (which...actually did happen). Sure it's valid. But it's not comparable to making immortal weapons. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

And doesn't Bhelen try to reach her but can't? Due to the golems and the lot? 

Only after Branka snaps and turns against Bhelen and seals herself in the fortress.

The Harrowmont alternative is a thousand times worse.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Reaverwind]

Ryzaki wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran wants to DIE! OMG! *grin* It's stated straight out in the game that he wants to die, and it's only if he realizes another way that he wants to live.

Edit: If you side with Cullen, you haven't even killed the mages yet, and she still attacks. I'm not sure what she is hoping to accomplish there, though; kill you then go in and kill Uldred herself?  You haven't attacked her at all.  

Maybe that spirit that has possessed her IS a pride demon...

The irony is you can agree with Cullen and then proceed to kill off Irving, with Wynne's help. As to what Wynne hopes to accomplish by attacking the Warden, perhaps she mistakes your character for Dr. Kevorkian.

Wait...what? I thought if you sided with Cullen at the end Irving and the others were taken away?

Yes, you can proceed to save Irving only to have them taken in by the Templars, BUT it is ALSO possible to disagree with Cullen AND go upstairs and let the mages die. Simply don't use the Litany and hold off killing Uldred until Irving turns.

 

Oh. That could be seen as Wynne being smart enough to realize well...they're abominations now. You can kill abominations. 

I also see that as vindicating the Warden's decision for proceeding with the Annulment. *Smacks Wynne upside the head.*

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And doesn't Bhelen try to reach her but can't? Due to the golems and the lot? 

Only after Branka snaps and turns against Bhelen and seals herself in the fortress.

The Harrowmont alternative is a thousand times worse.

Harrowmont...poor Harrowmont...how we hardly knew thee. 

I always pick him though because my humans are racist bastards. 

[Ryzaki]

Reaverwind wrote...


I also see that as vindicating the Warden's decision for proceeding with the Annulment. *Smacks Wynne upside the head.*

LOL

I think I've killed Wynne...only twice. Sure she's naggy but I tell Morri to GTFO so she's the only mage I have. D: 

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

Harrowmont...poor Harrowmont...how we hardly knew thee. 

I always pick him though because my humans are racist bastards. 

Sealing all dwarves in the Deep Roads isn't fun, even if you're a racist bastard!

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Harrowmont...poor Harrowmont...how we hardly knew thee. 

I always pick him though because my humans are racist bastards. 

Sealing all dwarves in the Deep Roads isn't fun, even if you're a racist bastard!

Yes it is. Not the humans fault they sealed themselves off and killed each other until they reached their current predicament. (Of course said humans never keep the anvil). 

Ah. It's so fun playing a racist. 

[Kernel Cinders]

I've never recruited Wynne and never will. She could have every single Mage talent with 1,000hp/mana and I would still kill her.

On my first playthrough, I tried being nice to her in Ostagar. I go back later and she says that "Shouldn't you be doing something?" bs line of hers. When I ran into her in the Circle Tower, I didn't hesitate to kill her and I didn't even know I could recruit her.

I will never recruit Wynne and I sure as hell don't need her help. I tailor my game for burning, not healing, so even if I did recruit her, I wouldn't use her, and her ego is way too big to fit in my Party Camp.

Modifié par Kernel Cinders, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:53 .

[Avilia]

I just don't recruit her. Usually she dies in the Circle tower, either when the pc first meets her or at the entrance to the Harowing chamber (if I think I can stand to lose a member of my group for her).



I've started booting Morrigan at Lothering now - I've lost my tolerance for both of those mages.

[Kernel Cinders]

Yeah, I won't be using either of them when I do my Mage Warden run. One Mage is plenty. Probably going to use Mage Warden with Alistair, Leliana, and Sten.

[Tigress M]

CalJones wrote...
This isn't the first Wynne hate thread by a long shot. Try this.

Oh, I know there's been lots of discussion about her already, but I just figured it was time for a little more.  Apparently, I'm not alone in this!  (Wow!  Go away for a few hours and come back to a six page thread!)

[Tigress M]

 

Zy-El wrote...
I'm wondering if our collective annoyance with Wynne is more to do with having to hear her advice again and again from previous play-throughs that has jaded our attitude so. 

This is probably very true.  I actually liked Wynne in the beginning, but even then she ticked me off when she pulled one of her annoying stunts like the Fade business.  And, honestly, even my Warden was disappointed when her new "mother" figure didn't bother to console her on either meeting Tamlen as a tainted monster, nor after Alistair broke her heart.  

[Tigress M]

 

ejoslin wrote...
Gah, Wynne hate IS fun

Isn't it though??? 

[Tigress M]

 

shadowpiranha wrote...
To tell you the truth I probably got over Wynne's personality quickly because to me, she acted like many, many people aged over 60/70.

And that is very true.  The character is fairly well developed and her comments are very much in-line with things an older person would say to a young one.  Doesn't mean I like her anymore for it, though.  LOL

[Tigress M]

 

Ryzaki wrote...That said my favorite thing about DA is the flaws in all the characters. ...Why is it everytime someone wants to debate character X someone drags character Y into it?

Agreed!  My dislike of Wynne is strong, which it would not be if she were a poorly written character.  David Gaider and team have done a wonderful job of giving us stories and people that truly move us emotionally.

[Tigress M]

 

Ryzaki wrote...
How are you going to misuse the Wardens? Please tell me how they're comparable to siege weapons that are nearly unkillable. 

Perhaps by trying the same tactics Sophia did?  Wardens are a force to be reckoned with and the only reason they're not more of a threat in "current" day is simply because their numbers are so small, imho.

[Tigress M]

Ryzaki wrote...
You're threatening to kill her. (Besides I don't think the game engine let's you attack people first if they're not hostile) so I assume the character takes out their weapon before Wynne decides to attack. 

Actually, you can.  In several cutscenes you have the option to (attack).

[Reaverwind]

Avilia wrote...

I just don't recruit her. Usually she dies in the Circle tower, either when the pc first meets her or at the entrance to the Harowing chamber (if I think I can stand to lose a member of my group for her).

I've started booting Morrigan at Lothering now - I've lost my tolerance for both of those mages.

LOL - same here. Morrigan gets the boot right away and Wynne stays at the Tower.

[Ryzaki]

Tigress M wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
You're threatening to kill her. (Besides I don't think the game engine let's you attack people first if they're not hostile) so I assume the character takes out their weapon before Wynne decides to attack. 

Actually, you can.  In several cutscenes you have the option to (attack).

Oh. Well that makes it even more self-defensey. I assume the (attack) usually sets someone to hostile. On stronger opponents Attack just starts the battle not results in a one hit kill. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 octobre 2010 - 01:45 .

[RavenousBear]

When I first started playing this game, I was indifferent towards Wynne. Someone who thinks of herself as wise and all-knowing. Been through that before in other games, so I barely paid attention when she spoke on my first playthrough. 

Now she has moved from someone I really do not care about to an annoyance now that I actually paid attention and think about what she says. She is full of hot-air in many subjects and her arrogance angers me as if my Wardens are all ignorant children who need a caretaker. My Wardens destroy hordes of diseased mutants, demons, wild animals, corpses, soldiers, lunatics, etc. I am very certain they do not need a babysitter.

Tigress M wrote...

The very top of the list is her comments to the Sloth Demon in the Fade.  "We found each other in this place..."  Excuse me???  We????  We didn't do anything, you old biddy!  You, a mage with years of experience in the Fade, couldn't tell you were caught in a stupid dream!  I'm the one who traipsed all over that nightmare, finally fighting my way to your rescue and what do you do?  Jump down my throat and tell me how rude and disrespectful I am!  We, indeed!  

When I first heard her say that, I said BS in my head. That really annoyed me, a lot...

[Bahlgan]

I like Wynne. Sure she can be very annoying at times, especially when she downturns her opinion on me and disapproving of my decision to maintain my romance with Morrigan, but I can see much good in her too.

[Herr Uhl]

Tigress M wrote...

 

Ryzaki wrote...
How are you going to misuse the Wardens? Please tell me how they're comparable to siege weapons that are nearly unkillable. 

Perhaps by trying the same tactics Sophia did?  Wardens are a force to be reckoned with and the only reason they're not more of a threat in "current" day is simply because their numbers are so small, imho.

So what you're saying is that they are like any army. They'd be unstoppable, if only they had the numbers!

You see, Sophia was a horrible GW. And I don't see how Sophia Dryden's tactics were that stellar. "I don't like the king, let's fight him!", "Oh crap, he is winning, now let's seal ourselves in this fort, because from here we're sure to overthrow the government" and then "We were outnumbered from day one, let's release demons on them to even the odds!".

The wardens got crushed.

[Sabariel]

99% of the time I don't agree with Wynne and yet... I still don't find her annoying. Strange...

[Wulfram]

Sabariel wrote...

99% of the time I don't agree with Wynne and yet... I still don't find her annoying. Strange...

I think she's less annoying when you disagree with her.  Largely because then you can argue back.