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Why I hate Wynne... let me count the ways


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Modifié par tmp7704, 25 octobre 2010 - 10:18 .


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haha - I'm not a Wynne fan (that's well documented) but that it just classic! I love it.

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That is... one magical bosom Wynne has there.

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I haven't contributed to this thread yet so I might as well. 

Tigress M wrote...
The very top of the list is her comments to the Sloth Demon in the Fade.  "We found each other in this place..."  Excuse me???  We????  We didn't do anything, you old biddy!  You, a mage with years of experience in the Fade, couldn't tell you were caught in a stupid dream!  I'm the one who traipsed all over that nightmare, finally fighting my way to your rescue and what do you do?  Jump down my throat and tell me how rude and disrespectful I am!  We, indeed! 


The thing that gets me is when Irving says, "I guess this is your doing, Wynne." And she says, "I had help." Excuse me? You were the help, lady. You did nothing. You didn't know you were in the Fade, you didn't use the Litany, heck, you didn't even know about that demon with the awesome sword in the basesment! You were just baggage on this trip. Go away. *sigh* But I'm still polite to her. Darnit.:pinched:

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It just annoys me that you can't call her out on it. Any of it, really.

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I just wish you could tell her to **** off at that part. Honestly, thats why I hate doing the Broken Circle, because I have to drag her with me so she can take all the credit. grrr

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I LIKE THIS THREAD...



Honestly I have come to appreciate all the other companions in all their quirkiness. But I just LOATHE that old bag. Really how she acts like my grandma and tries to make me act like she wants annoys me.



Honestly I wanted to make this face at her some times:

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@ Monica
Yea that part made me raise an eyebrow. I had Sten and Morrigan with me and both of them knew they were in the fade, while Wynne was helpless and now we were the small help that you graciously mention at the end? Right.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 octobre 2010 - 04:47 .


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Herr Uhl wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

 

Ryzaki wrote...
How are you going to misuse the Wardens? Please tell me how they're comparable to siege weapons that are nearly unkillable. 

Perhaps by trying the same tactics Sophia did?  Wardens are a force to be reckoned with and the only reason they're not more of a threat in "current" day is simply because their numbers are so small, imho.

So what you're saying is that they are like any army. They'd be unstoppable, if only they had the numbers!

You see, Sophia was a horrible GW. And I don't see how Sophia Dryden's tactics were that stellar. "I don't like the king, let's fight him!", "Oh crap, he is winning, now let's seal ourselves in this fort, because from here we're sure to overthrow the government" and then "We were outnumbered from day one, let's release demons on them to even the odds!".

The wardens got crushed.


...Except for the fact that making a normal persona a warden (and even if they survive) doesn't give them improbably fighting powers. 

That's the problem with the analogy. Making a normal person a warden doesn't give you soldiers. It gives you tainted people who can (potentially) destroy an Archedemon soul. Wardens are choosen from the best fighters available. You could gather a bunch of top class fighters without needing the ritual at all. You can't create a bunch of golems without the anvil. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 octobre 2010 - 05:58 .


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This is so good it deserves to be quoted.  Hahahaha, the corset.  Yeh.  

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Monica
Yea that part made me raise an eyebrow. I had Sten and Morrigan with me and both of them knew they were in the fade, while Wynne was helpless and now we were the small help that you graciously mention at the end? Right.


It's not like Sten and Morrigan actually do anything useful with that information.

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Wulfram wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Monica
Yea that part made me raise an eyebrow. I had Sten and Morrigan with me and both of them knew they were in the fade, while Wynne was helpless and now we were the small help that you graciously mention at the end? Right.


It's not like Sten and Morrigan actually do anything useful with that information.


At least they keep their mouths shut in the aftermath <_<
And that's really the problem with Wynne: she just can't keep her mouth shut. She*thinks* she knows everything, but essentially it's nothing but hot air most - if not all - the time. Barging in everywhere and giving her opinions on things that she has no idea about and that really are none of her business. My problem with her is that she thinks she knows exactly what Gray Wardens do, what they should represent, how they should act - but only if it coincides with her own views and opinions. Especially the part where she will turn against you 1. in the Circle Tower and 2. when she finds out you're a blood mage (1. I can even understand - sort of. But 2.??).

Of course you can argue that some of the other NPCs will also turn against you under different circumstances, and that they also have their own views on different subjects. But Wynne being such a know-it-all as well as being refined and educated makes all the difference here. Let's take Zev, for example: one could argue he's just a ruthless assassin, will return to Antiva with Taliesen and not give a damn about what happens in Ferelden. And you'll go: "So he's an ass - we all knew that from the very beginning. Stupid assassin caring only about himself."
With Wynne, it's more like: "Wait a moment - I thought she knew what all this was about. She supposedly knows everything about Gray Wardens, that they do whatever it takes. And she saw what happened at  Ostagar, she was there. She knows there's noone left in Ferelden to defeat the Archdemon but US. She knows what's at stake - and she *still* tries to kill me?!"

Modifié par Caladhiel, 25 octobre 2010 - 08:47 .


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and tells you she hopes the darkspawn get you...she obviously has the best interests of Ferelden close to her heart, not.

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She's the only character I like less over time. While I don't hate her...I find her irritating. Very irritating! Her constant know it all attitude gets old fast, well over a couple of games.



She has very little real life experience (hello lived her whole life in a tower) and no real life knowledge of the Grey Wardens and yet lectures your PC like she's the Warden Commander.

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Caladhiel wrote...

 Let's take Zev, for example: one could argue he's just a ruthless assassin, will return to Antiva with Taliesen and not give a damn about what happens in Ferelden. And you'll go: "So he's an ass - we all knew that from the very beginning. Stupid assassin caring only about himself."


What Zevran have you been traveling with? :?

Modifié par AnniLau, 25 octobre 2010 - 09:49 .


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Sabariel wrote...

That is... one magical bosom Wynne has there.


Indeed. :o

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Wulfram wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

99% of the time I don't agree with Wynne and yet... I still don't find her annoying. Strange...


I think she's less annoying when you disagree with her.  Largely because then you can argue back.

I find her more annoying then because then she dismisses you like a child or gets all huffy that you don't want her advice.

I just wish you could tell her to **** off at that part. Honestly, thats why I hate doing the Broken Circle, because I have to drag her with me so she can take all the credit. grrr

You could always take her out of your party post-Fade but then you're stuck with her in your party.

What Zevran have you been traveling with?

I think the point was not 'OMG, Zevran's evil!' but 'If Zevran tries to kill you, you can claim it's because he's an assassin hired to do so and doesn't care about Ferelden. Wynne, however, has no excuse.'

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I loathe Wynne mainly for the city elf bit but also whenever I play a mage I find I hate her the most. She totally buys into the Chantry dogma that would have had me executed and my best friend lobotomized on a suspicion. She is incredibly judgmental and for someone who tries to be all "good and just" she is so quick to judge others and find them wanting. I wish I could tell her to get lost when she acts like a douchenozzle but I have to settle for leaving her in camp and ignoring her.

And when she trys to kill 1 of only two remaining grey wardens simply because of a bit of ash when there is a BLIGHT going on she totally deserves to die  I willk never leave her behind again when I defile the ashes because I want the pleasure of killing her myself  She actually would prefer the darkspawn kill me than Ferelden gets saved from the BLIGHT

Modifié par frostajulie, 26 octobre 2010 - 12:11 .


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frostajulie wrote...

I loathe Wynne mainly for the city elf bit but also whenever I play a mage I find I hate her the most. She totally buys into the Chantry dogma that would have had me executed and my best friend lobotomized on a suspicion. She is incredibly judgmental and for someone who tries to be all "good and just" she is so quick to judge others and find them wanting. I wish I could tell her to get lost when she acts like a douchenozzle but I have to settle for leaving her in camp and ignoring her.

Of course, had Jowan been 'lobotomized on a suspicion', think how much better things would have turned out for Redcliffe.

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frostajulie wrote...

And when she trys to kill 1 of only two remaining grey wardens simply because of a bit of ash when there is a BLIGHT going on she totally deserves to die

Well, you know, there is many many wardens still out there, and there's always option of drafting even more of them, too. On the other hand the ashes you destroy are the only such item in existence, and who knows just what sort of healing (and other) powers that thing could've had.

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Logically speaking even my most anti-religious Wardens don't see the point in destroying the ashes. They're (potentially) a magical cure all. Why would you destroy that? My wardens would take the whole thing of ashes with them (either that or leave them there so they could get it later and kill out the cult).  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 octobre 2010 - 01:28 .


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My Warden is afraid that it will become a Chantry regulated thing and only people of 'great importance' will be allowed to receive the Ashes, meaning people like Kings/Grand Clerics/the very wealthy. She'd rather everyone lived and died naturally, so she's fine with seeing them destroyed.

(If there was the option for it, she would have never gone on the Urn Hunt, but that's another thread entirely.)

ETA: I, too, hate Wynne.
Death to the witch!

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pudi0072000 wrote...

My Warden is afraid that it will become a Chantry regulated thing and only people of 'great importance' will be allowed to receive the Ashes, meaning people like Kings/Grand Clerics/the very wealthy. She'd rather everyone lived and died naturally, so she's fine with seeing them destroyed.

(If there was the option for it, she would have never gone on the Urn Hunt, but that's another thread entirely.)

ETA: I, too, hate Wynne.
Death to the witch!


Oh. So she wouldn't use it on herself or those she loves. I can see why she'd destroy it then. 

All my Wardens are either powerhungry or good guys. So they'd still keep it all to themselves (they all kill poor Gentivi). 

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Monica21 wrote...

I haven't contributed to this thread yet so I might as well. 

The thing that gets me is when Irving says, "I guess this is your doing, Wynne." And she says, "I had help." Excuse me? You were the help, lady. You did nothing. You didn't know you were in the Fade, you didn't use the Litany, heck, you didn't even know about that demon with the awesome sword in the basesment! You were just baggage on this trip. Go away. *sigh* But I'm still polite to her. Darnit.:pinched:

Oh yes!  That one, too!  And it especially annoys me when I'm playing a mage because Irving knows me and still assumes Wynne is the one who saved the day.  Ugh!

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If I wanted to go talk to someone about duty etc I would rather talk to Sten than Wynne. Also the difference between Wynne and morrigan is even if morrigan is at hostile she still stays(if i am wrong someone correct me on this).

Modifié par Bigdoser, 26 octobre 2010 - 02:41 .