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It is the dialog differences you have to go to with each character that takes up time and space (and money). They can't really duplicate the same dialog with each character for the LI thread. Plus, to make it even remotely acceptable rather than outright eye-rolling or laughable it would require more dialog and more depth. Hard to do. I can see the dev's point of not wanting to divert all the time and effort into that vs the meat and potatoes of the game mission itself. Fight or f*ck? For the former, do an FPS. For the later, do Secondlife (seriously - theres all the latter you could want there in cartoon form and even the chance of a creepy and obsessive online e-romance to boot). For a good deal of the former and just a bit of the latter, do ME.


True, but: What is done is done.

Bioware can't just make Jack and Thane less important in ME3 than Ash and Garrus are. That would screw those who chose them. The other option is to make everyone matter just as little - not good for anyone. At the same time Bioware has to try to expand and appeal to the ME3 newcomers too.

So we need atleast 9 LIs just to satisfy the fans of ME1 and 2 (Plus Kelly, Samara and Shiala are potential LIs too in one way or another). I also doubt ME3 settles for anything less than 3 new LIs per gender - the bar made with ME2.

The good side is that the dialogue can be done by seperate people and it doesn't have to directly affect the other parts of the game. ME2 used 2 DVDs so they don't have strict space limits. So the biggest issue is probably money.


I can't see bit players like Shiala, et al, as viable LI's in ME3. I can only see them as equal to Kelly, who served merely as a casual bed warmer. Nothing wrong with providing some casual encounter opportunities. Not EVERYONE who expresses interest or is interesting should have to be a full blown LI. Real life is FAR from that and much closer to filled with what turn out to be short-term or casual encounters. The LI's are few and far between and should be so in ME 3, for simplicity AND realism.

Don't all go overboard people with a desire for a marriage, kids, a house with a picket fence (or an episode of House Hunters Citadel for the newlyweds). Yikes. Keep it simple. I suspect that if Bioware had any inkling that people would want to go all Sims or Secondlife on the LI's and casual encounters provided in ME games, they would have skipped them entirely or handed you a choice of 2 or 3, all told, MAX so that they don't have to figure out how to handle all the variations and iterations that come from an explosion of interests.

Encounters do NOT have to be all important, all consuming, and forever. They can be short and fairly casual, like most in life.

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Well if you use the word LI like that. I know Kelly isn't exactly the same as Liara, but I still call Kelly LI for the lack of better word.



So I don't mean Shiala and such would need in depth storylines, but be there as some sort of romance options. Even if some are just me going "You look nice" and getting a response "I don't like you" would give me a sense of options. It wouldn't feel like Bioware restricts us to the couple of choices.

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kalle90 wrote...

Well if you use the word LI like that. I know Kelly isn't exactly the same as Liara, but I still call Kelly LI for the lack of better word.



So I don't mean Shiala and such would need in depth storylines, but be there as some sort of romance options. Even if some are just me going "You look nice" and getting a response "I don't like you" would give me a sense of options. It wouldn't feel like Bioware restricts us to the couple of choices.


Ah...much less a deal then. There are those (you know who you are people) who really - and I mean REALLY as in really to a nearly scary extent - want to be able to marry their LI, move in with them, buy a house, etc. I'm serious as I've come across it (mainly in the character support/love threads).

I tend to use LI as referring to the characters with which you can obtain a faux patina of a "relationship" with beyond, "Want to come up to my room for some private conversation?"

LIs thus are Ash, Liara, Miranda, Tali, Jack (though she is also a possible temp bed warmer) for male Shep. Bed warmers or 'friends with benefits' are...well, Kelly. Jack WOULD be if she'd lose the attitude after the first casual roll. The cop chick, the Thorian Asari, MAYBE Aria, are a few that could be handed over as passing (or repeat performance) encounters.

As a related aside...
I am something of a Tali "lover" - OK, more of a "really liker". I like the character and such but...I came across those in the Tali threads who were literally declaring they thought about Tali all the time, even dreamed about her in their sleep. Talked about her as if she really existed or really had feelings and likes or dislikes. Creeped me out. So I now steer clear of those threads. The romancing stuff can, so it seems, really unhinge some people so I'm on board with more casual encounters and not too much focus on some faux relationship. Harder for peeps to get obsessed over a short fling. Or so I believe.

Biggest LI disappointment: Ash not going for a 3-some with Liara when it comes to the catfight between Ash and Liara, demanding that you choose one or the other. Why can't we go with both? Asari go both ways! Ash: "In your dreams". Ah c'mon Ash. THINK about it a while and maybe it will happen in YOUR dreams and you can come back and tell me you've reconsidered! NOTE: IF THIS DOUBLE POSTS...SORRY. Damn editor does this to me sometimes.

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I've seen those too. I'm not interested in marriage (and kids) although I wouldn't mind if it was there.



I have to say though that it would be nice if every "LI" (bedwarmers too) came with some sort of perks. Like if we could re-visit Feros and if we romance Shiala we unlock some "base" there and get discounts from stores, gain access to some special traits and tech Feros has. Would make the romance seem like something more than just a series of dialogue and a cutscene.



That is something that could be done afterwards with DLC though. The main game could focus on the main story, gameplay and introducing the romances. Then when the DLC is installed you could get an invitation to visit her/his place. It seems there really is demand for more Romance but focusing on it could harm other things...



Actually I think I'm going to go post this in the DLC wishlist thread...

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Getorex wrote...

On the subject of sorts...what's up with Jack? Hell, you head down and make a play for her and she jumps you just fine. She has a good time, YOU have a good time. Good times had by all. After that it's all attitude. "You had your fun, now it done" kind of crap.

Oh yeah Jack? YOU had YOUR fun too, as I recall. YOU were moaning and groaning right there with me. I know you got off a couple times so I know this wasn't a "chore" or drudgery but now you have a problem with it and pretend you didn't enjoy the ride too? Don't want to do it again? WTF is the matter with you? Is this another "issue" from your torturous childhood? GET OVER IT.


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kalle90 wrote...

I've seen those too. I'm not interested in marriage (and kids) although I wouldn't mind if it was there.



I have to say though that it would be nice if every "LI" (bedwarmers too) came with some sort of perks. Like if we could re-visit Feros and if we romance Shiala we unlock some "base" there and get discounts from stores, gain access to some special traits and tech Feros has. Would make the romance seem like something more than just a series of dialogue and a cutscene.



That is something that could be done afterwards with DLC though. The main game could focus on the main story, gameplay and introducing the romances. Then when the DLC is installed you could get an invitation to visit her/his place. It seems there really is demand for more Romance but focusing on it could harm other things...



Actually I think I'm going to go post this in the DLC wishlist thread...


That WOULD be fairly cool and would add to the game rather than just provide minor titillation or soft-porn.

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I would actually be more in favor of not using the romance option as a way to get better goods and services. It just cheapens the romance. It's like sleeping with your boss' very attractive and intelligent daughter. She'd have the qualities you look for in a woman, but she's that much more interesting because you can use her to ahead (no pun intended).

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Xeranx wrote...
I would actually be more in favor of not using the romance option as a way to get better goods and services. It just cheapens the romance. It's like sleeping with your boss' very attractive and intelligent daughter. She'd have the qualities you look for in a woman, but she's that much more interesting because you can use her to ahead (no pun intended).


Except that in this case it would be like having multiple daughters with different traits, without knowing they are his daughters. They wouldn't go advertising "If you romance me you get a super shotgun", especially if it was done afterwards with DLC we wouldn't have any idea.

There's more to it than just the perks though. It would be like a home outside the ship, unique place that reconizes your importance. Plus it would make romances for cold calculative characters more viable for the exact reason you stated - it profits.

IMO it's a bit blindsided to think romancing Tali wouldn't affect Migrant Fleet's view of you. You're not just Tali's commander anymore.

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Tranceptor wrote...

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Dr. Hacksaw is kinda old.


She's english. English women get better with age.

At least that's what Ihear.


That's because there's alot more ways you have to improve on english women before they start to look average. And age is definently not an improvement.

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ReconTeam wrote...

kalle90 wrote...
ME3 LIs:
Ashley
Liara
Tali
Miranda
Jack
Samara
Kasumi
Shiala
Parasini
Wong
Aria
Chakwas
Michel
Bowman
I let the ladies comment who they want...


Who is Bowman? And what if Shepard wants a creepy relationship with that reporter he punches?

Khalisah al-Jilani seems to be spoken for by an asari...at least that's the idea I got from the shadow brokers video-files.

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ninja0809 wrote...

just how old is chakwas....60? She sure knows how to watch her figure.


"We humans are lucky if we reach 150" sixty is the new 30, or something...

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The oldest person to date was 106 when they died though one man in 13th century lived to be 112 or something and the local king killed him by inviting him to dinner and feeding him rich food sense he was use to bread and a little meat.



But yeah how women are viewed in terms of age is off some think 30 is over the hill. I don't like how some movies do the 20 something girl goes for the 40yr old man either but thats just me.




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Nizzemancer wrote...

That's because there's alot more ways you have to improve on english women before they start to look average. And age is definently not an improvement.


That doesn't even make any sense.
Regardless, age not an improvement?

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Samara's elegance comes with her age.  If there's one thing Samara has, it's elegance (in b4 boobs comments).

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kalle90 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
I would actually be more in favor of not using the romance option as a way to get better goods and services. It just cheapens the romance. It's like sleeping with your boss' very attractive and intelligent daughter. She'd have the qualities you look for in a woman, but she's that much more interesting because you can use her to ahead (no pun intended).


Except that in this case it would be like having multiple daughters with different traits, without knowing they are his daughters. They wouldn't go advertising "If you romance me you get a super shotgun", especially if it was done afterwards with DLC we wouldn't have any idea.

There's more to it than just the perks though. It would be like a home outside the ship, unique place that reconizes your importance. Plus it would make romances for cold calculative characters more viable for the exact reason you stated - it profits.

IMO it's a bit blindsided to think romancing Tali wouldn't affect Migrant Fleet's view of you. You're not just Tali's commander anymore.


No I understand that.  I guess I'm just looking at it as though we'd know why we got the perks rather than the perks just being a fortunate accident.  

Though, apart from the probable cheapening of the romance, I'm wary of what the perks would be and who would be associated with those perks.  If the best perks were associated with the person you like the least as a possible love interest then the romance angle is still spoiled.  Let's say I play an adept and I romance Tali.  The perk associated with that is added increases to tech powers, shields and such.  Anyone would be happy with improved shields, but it makes you wish that Shepard was an engineer, sentinel, or infiltrator for the tech benefits.  It's kind of like how if you do Kasumi's loyalty mission you'll get significant tech upgrades before you get to Horizon.  For a sentinel that's just awesome.  A new pistol plus an increase for tech and you're better off than a biotic at the beginning of the game.  I remember when I started by biotic Shepard I thought about how long it would take until my biotics were powered up enough to do some real damage.  That I had to wait as long as I did was disappointing.

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you know i would like to see more LI with male char in the game not just females its not fair that guys get to pick from so many and girls well hell we get a couple of aliens and a lesbian

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Xeranx wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
I would actually be more in favor of not using the romance option as a way to get better goods and services. It just cheapens the romance. It's like sleeping with your boss' very attractive and intelligent daughter. She'd have the qualities you look for in a woman, but she's that much more interesting because you can use her to ahead (no pun intended).


Except that in this case it would be like having multiple daughters with different traits, without knowing they are his daughters. They wouldn't go advertising "If you romance me you get a super shotgun", especially if it was done afterwards with DLC we wouldn't have any idea.

There's more to it than just the perks though. It would be like a home outside the ship, unique place that reconizes your importance. Plus it would make romances for cold calculative characters more viable for the exact reason you stated - it profits.

IMO it's a bit blindsided to think romancing Tali wouldn't affect Migrant Fleet's view of you. You're not just Tali's commander anymore.


No I understand that.  I guess I'm just looking at it as though we'd know why we got the perks rather than the perks just being a fortunate accident.


It does look like you look at it differently. For me it would be just "Hey that's a nice bonus for my LI choice"

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If anyone needs some Chakwas in their life it's Udina.

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you know i would like to see more LI with male char in the game not just females its not fair that guys get to pick from so many and girls well hell we get a couple of aliens and a lesbian


That has long been my observation. You ladies are almost forced to like/go with insectoidal/avian/reptilian/fish guys like Turians. Keep your tongue out of his mouth, by the way. Have you SEEN those teeth he's sporting? Assuming he has a "little general", one has to wonder if it is barbed, sheathed in chitin, and sharp of tip, like his head decorations.

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A part of me has always wanted Chakwas.

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Maybe she has a daughter or granddaughter..

how old is she exactly?

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I've done no romance for my ME1 playthrough and same for ME2.



I run a strict ship.

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LiquidGrape wrote...

Getorex wrote...

On the subject of sorts...what's up with Jack? Hell, you head down and make a play for her and she jumps you just fine. She has a good time, YOU have a good time. Good times had by all. After that it's all attitude. "You had your fun, now it done" kind of crap.

Oh yeah Jack? YOU had YOUR fun too, as I recall. YOU were moaning and groaning right there with me. I know you got off a couple times so I know this wasn't a "chore" or drudgery but now you have a problem with it and pretend you didn't enjoy the ride too? Don't want to do it again? WTF is the matter with you? Is this another "issue" from your torturous childhood? GET OVER IT.


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Observation on Miranda...



If you bang Jack or diddle Tali, or even blow them all off for casual play with Kelly, after the suicide mission you can "invite them to your room" where you get a goofy cartoon of them sitting on your lap or cuddling on the bed.



But not for Miranda.



After the suicide mission, if you go to visit her again and she gives you her take on the your decision concerning the collector base, all you get after that is a repeat of the conversation you had BEFORE the collector base mission just before you banged her in engineering.



I must conclude that she is a one-off. In ME3 she is gone, baby, and there is no more Yvonne Strahovsky.




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ok only thing comes to mind with this idea

is EWWWWWWW

besides if any thing we need more human male realitionships