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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

General User wrote...

Very well, I support “Total War” against the batarians. In all fairness, “extreme violence of dubious necessity” is, to my way of thinking, a fine working definition of “Total War.”

Fair enough.

[cachx]

I would really like to see more variants to Batarians other than just "bad guys" in ME3.

Also, Slavery gets **** done !

[curly haired boy]

cachx wrote...

I would really like to see more variants to Batarians other than just "bad guys" in ME3.

Also, Slavery gets **** done !

just for once, i'd like the bad guys to stay bad guys. i want them one-dimensional. i want them utterly vile.

i want to crush them, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women.

[Cyberfrog81]

Once the Reapers are defeated, I think humanity should DEMAND the immediate release of every human slave in batarian custody - or we set Shepard loose on the slavers.



But I kind of like the ME2 batarians. "Uh-huh."

[Dean_the_Young]

curly haired boy wrote...

cachx wrote...

I would really like to see more variants to Batarians other than just "bad guys" in ME3.

Also, Slavery gets **** done !

just for once, i'd like the bad guys to stay bad guys. i want them one-dimensional. i want them utterly vile.

i want to crush them, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women.

Batarian women would be ugly.

But you know who else has a current and historical tradition of slavery? Asari. In the Krogan Rebellions (according to Cerberus News), and legally protected on Illium. Now that's some lamentation just waiting to be heard, right?

[pacer90]

Kill it. With fire.

















Lots of fire.

[brent2605]

The batarians are a big potential problem. I think they either need to be brought into line using any means necessary since they may try helping the reapers because of their dislike of humans.However I think that the vorcha are a much larger threat since they are very adaptable and heal fast.They have also already proved on omega that they will work for the reapers and their agents.They can't be trusted so the only solution I see to this is to gather a fleet to bomb their worlds weakening them enough that they are not much of a threat by the time the reapers arrive

[pacer90]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

cachx wrote...

I would really like to see more variants to Batarians other than just "bad guys" in ME3.

Also, Slavery gets **** done !

just for once, i'd like the bad guys to stay bad guys. i want them one-dimensional. i want them utterly vile.

i want to crush them, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women.

Batarian women would be ugly.

But you know who else has a current and historical tradition of slavery? Asari. In the Krogan Rebellions (according to Cerberus News), and legally protected on Illium. Now that's some lamentation just waiting to be heard, right?

A few Asari commanders had Krogan doing manual labor yes. Once they were found out the situation was changed and the commanders court marshalled.

Illium is outside council space.

[Dean_the_Young]

pacer90 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

cachx wrote...

I would really like to see more variants to Batarians other than just "bad guys" in ME3.

Also, Slavery gets **** done !

just for once, i'd like the bad guys to stay bad guys. i want them one-dimensional. i want them utterly vile.

i want to crush them, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women.

Batarian women would be ugly.

But you know who else has a current and historical tradition of slavery? Asari. In the Krogan Rebellions (according to Cerberus News), and legally protected on Illium. Now that's some lamentation just waiting to be heard, right?

A few Asari commanders had Krogan doing manual labor yes. Once they were found out the situation was changed and the commanders court marshalled.

Illium is outside council space.

Illium is indisputably an Asari world, and look how long the Batarians got away with slavery. Clearly Asari covered for them to leave them as the primary focus in order to distract others from their guilt, despite their efforts to ignore and downplay their history. Clearly vile, evil women who should be punished.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 24 octobre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly vile, evil women who should be punished.

Make 'em sqeal like school girls!

(I support Asari exploitation in ME3)

[Rogue Unit]

Kill 'em all. Hard.

[Cheese Elemental]

As far as we can tell, it's the government, not the species, that is responsible for the slavery. Khar'shan is basically North Korea IN SPACE.

[Jimmy Marku]

This gets my full support.

Can't trust those Batarians, it's the shifty eyes.




And the slavery. That's pretty bad too.

Modifié par Jimmy Marku, 24 octobre 2010 - 11:25 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

If you went around wipping out every race that has ever done wrong in its history than there would be no one in the galaxy. The Batarians find themselves at a dark time in their history but I always think that redemption can be found and I look for that before I look to wipe everyone off the map.

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly vile, evil women who should be punished.

Make 'em sqeal like school girls!

(I support Asari exploitation in ME3)

There aren't enough pictures of Asari in schoolgirl outfits.

Or french maid outfits.

Or just about anything not a jumpsuit or a stripper outfit. I demand more variety in our over-sexualized sex-appeal race!

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly vile, evil women who should be punished.

Make 'em sqeal like school girls!

(I support Asari exploitation in ME3)

There aren't enough pictures of Asari in schoolgirl outfits.

Or french maid outfits.

Or just about anything not a jumpsuit or a stripper outfit. I demand more variety in our over-sexualized sex-appeal race!

Yeah, a "Shin Akiba" DLC would be nice. With Shepard having to investigate the indoctriantion signal embedded in those Asari porn games, something like that... Definitely more fun than some dull genocide of four-eyed slavers.

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly vile, evil women who should be punished.

Make 'em sqeal like school girls!

(I support Asari exploitation in ME3)

There aren't enough pictures of Asari in schoolgirl outfits.

Or french maid outfits.

Or just about anything not a jumpsuit or a stripper outfit. I demand more variety in our over-sexualized sex-appeal race!

Yeah, a "Shin Akiba" DLC would be nice. With Shepard having to investigate the indoctriantion signal embedded in those Asari porn games, something like that... Definitely more fun than some dull genocide of four-eyed slavers.

Liara! What are you doing here?

Porn? No, I was, uh, investigating Reaper indoctrination!

Yeah, that's right...

[Nightwriter]

I hesitate to make judgments about a culture I have never seen and a race I have no experience with aside from my run ins with the criminals and terrorists brave enough to break free of batarian space.

[wizardryforever]

The Batarians are definitely hateworthy, but I don't think they deserve the irrational, seething hate that many on the forums have for them.  As a species, they are no more vile than any other out there, it's their cultural practices that are wrong.  Genocide is never the way unless there is absolutely no other option.  I would not support this option on any of my Shepards, except possibly my unhinged Colonist Renegade Shepard.  Personal experience makes any issue more real, and more extreme actions seem more justified.

[CyanidPontifex]

My CDN character is in full support of this thread.

[General User]

Is the wholesale slaughter of innocent batarians acceptable if such is the only way to free humans from slavery? I say no. On the other hand… slavery must be ended, and if a few (or even many) batarian civilians get caught in the crossfire… such is war (t'was not a war of our making after all), so long as those deaths are not intentional, I see no wrong in it.



How do you destroy a culture, or an “integral part" of it, without destroying those who practice it? I say you can’t, not entirely anyway, no matter how hard you try.



Should it be left solely to Providence punish nations and peoples for collective transgressions? Ideally, yes. But the armies of Men are frequently the instruments of Providence, so if Khar’shan is occupied and/or feudalized by Alliance or Citadel forces, else destroyed by the Reapers, I’ll shed no tears.

[DPSSOC]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
If you went around wipping out every race that has ever done wrong in its history than there would be no one in the galaxy.

 
Well we aren't judging them by their past now are we?  We're judging them based on the wrongs they are committing against innocent people on a daily basis.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
The Batarians find themselves at a dark time in their history but I always think that redemption can be found and I look for that before I look to wipe everyone off the map.

Every other race seems to have had the good grace to keep their dark times in history to themselves.  Humans weren't even off Earth yet and the Turian interplanetary civil war was just that a Turian war, no other race got pulled into it.  The Batarians want to practice slavery amongst themselves, fine, have fun.  When they start abducting innocent members of other species I think we can all agree they've crossed the line for tolerable behaviour and need to be set down, hard.

Genocide is the only rational choice.  Torfan showed the Batarians that if they kept pushing we'd push back, hard.  Since they clearly didn't (either because they can't or won't) learn their lesson complete anihilation is the only way.  I'm all for giving everyone a chance, the Batarians had theirs, all bets are off.

I'm Commander Shepard and I approve this message.

[Nightwriter]

Genocide is never the solution unless galactic safety is threatened.

If you are willing to slaughter innocent batarians alongside the guilty you are unfit to make such decisions. If you are willing to make judgments based upon exposure to a fraction of the population you are unfit to make such decisions.

You would be more correct if you suggested a rigorous campaign against batarian pirate activity in the Traverse and the Terminus Systems.

[chris025657]

DPSSOC wrote...

Every other race seems to have had the good grace to keep their dark times in history to themselves.  Humans weren't even off Earth yet and the Turian interplanetary civil war was just that a Turian war, no other race got pulled into it.  The Batarians want to practice slavery amongst themselves, fine, have fun.  When they start abducting innocent members of other species I think we can all agree they've crossed the line for tolerable behaviour and need to be set down, hard.

Genocide is the only rational choice.  Torfan showed the Batarians that if they kept pushing we'd push back, hard.  Since they clearly didn't (either because they can't or won't) learn their lesson complete anihilation is the only way.  I'm all for giving everyone a chance, the Batarians had theirs, all bets are off.

I'm Commander Shepard and I approve this message.

The problem I have with this view is that you seem to be lumping all Batarians into one group and one culture that defines slavery as acceptable. I doubt that Batarian society is a single monolithic culture that universally agrees on every issue.

When you say Batarian society approves of slavery, you are referring to the opinion of slave holders. I'm sure if you were to ask a Batarian slave or member of a lower caste what they felt about slavery, they would have a different opinion. Why should we hold the opinion of the slave-holders to be more worthy of respect than the slaves? 

Modifié par chris025657, 25 octobre 2010 - 01:29 .

[Nightwriter]

Come on! I want a batarian genocide debate!! I am like so bored right now, the forums are givin' me nothin'! Nothin'!