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[GodWood]

Christmas Ape wrote...

How many Humans did we saw as bad guys?

Roughly equal to batarian numbers in missions involving the Blue Suns, plus those working for Eclipse. Still less than the Blitz.

Cerberus don't count do they?

[Christmas Ape]

GodWood wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

How many Humans did we saw as bad guys?

Roughly equal to batarian numbers in missions involving the Blue Suns, plus those working for Eclipse. Still less than the Blitz.

Cerberus don't count do they?

I declined to hijack the thread to discuss the ethical value of Cerberus. But as I specifically omitted ME1 sources, they don't count by and large, no. But in the interests of not getting into it, we'll add Archer and the Pragia team to that list.
Still doesn't outnumber the Blitz, and speculating on the activities of completely unknown Cerberus cells is useless.

[CroGamer002]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
How many Batarians did we see as bad guys?

Uncertain. 3 planning to torture David; any number of Blue Suns engaged in running the Purgatory (a slave market), hunting Archangel (who ruined their criminal enterprises), or involved in the Archeological Dig Site → MSV Strontium Mule → Blue Suns Base sequence (in which they're acting as pirates); and the radicals in the Javelin Missiles Launched mission. That's directly encountered; but we can attach Mindoir and the Blitz to that list to add a few thousand.

1. Purgatory is run by Turian and many there were humans.
2. Forget about Eclipse( Humans, Asari, Salarians), Blood Pack( Krogan, Vorcha) and other Blue Sun members( Humans, Turians).
3. Blue Suns aren't just Batarians.
4. LotSB Cerberus.

How many Humans did we saw as bad guys?

Roughly equal to batarian numbers in missions involving the Blue Suns, plus those working for Eclipse. Still less than the Blitz.

What about Cerberus?
And majority of Shadow Borker army are humans.

How many Asari did we see as bad guys?

Even less than the other two, since they only appear working for Eclipse and never raided human colonies for slaves.

Nassana and her slaver sister?
Shadow Broker army?

I'm pretty sure Batarians have lowest number of bad guys.

Your math is bad.

I've left ME1 references out, on further consideration, because any of the generic mercenaries or pirates encountered that weren't clearly turians or Nassana's sister could be human, batarian, or asari while wearing helmets.

You can easly see diffrence between Human, Asari and Batarian.
BTW Batarians first appeared in Bring Down the Sky DLC.

[Christmas Ape]

[quote]Mesina2 wrote...
1. Purgatory is run by Turian and many there were humans.[/quote]The warden is turian, yes. But the Blue Suns make extensive use of batarian mercenaries, and their character models use the human helmet.
[quote]2. Forget about Eclipse( Humans, Asari, Salarians), Blood Pack( Krogan, Vorcha) and other Blue Sun members( Humans, Turians).[/quote]What? If you're suggesting the other mercenary groups are involved in the listed N7 assignments, you're dead wrong. I selected only those involving the Blue Suns. And again, because we have no way to tell a human from a batarian in Blue Suns armor, I consider "about half of non-turians" to be fair.
[quote]3. Blue Suns aren't just Batarians.[/quote]I'm aware; that's why I'm vague on the numbers. In Blue Suns armor they can't be told from humans, so for the sake of impartiality I split the numbers of non-turian Blue Suns between them.
[quote]4. LotSB Cerberus.[/quote]What? This page mentions the word "batarian" once: [quote]2166 - Haribon Military Industries purchased on Terra Nova. Legitimate arms contract to colonial forces; models without serial numbers produced for export to crime syndicates in batarian space, Terminus Systems.[/quote]Relevance - not found.
[quote]What about Cerberus?[/quote]Pragia team and Dr. Archer added to the list in a subsequent post; apologies on missing them.
[quote]And majority of Shadow Borker army are humans.[/quote]I don't believe the Shadow Broker's employees to necessarily be evil. Even Saint Anderson of the Alliance, the most highly regarded man on the forums, contends he's necessary to galactic stability by intention. Protecting him is considered important by at least one Spectre as well.
[quote]Nassana and her slaver sister?[/quote]Nassana Dantius is an unkind woman panicking because there's an assassin after her. But sure, I'll give you one more. Her sister is an ME1 character and not included in my assessment here.
[quote]Shadow Broker army?[/quote]See above.
[quote]You can easly see diffrence between Human, Asari and Batarian.[/quote]Not with a sealed helmet, such as are worn by the Blue Suns, and half of all non-Liara-related asari conversation on the boards is complaining how much they look like human women.
[quote]BTW Batarians first appeared in Bring Down the Sky DLC.[/quote]In confirmed physical presence, yes. They are however mentioned in the Codex prior to BDtS.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:00 .

[Nightwriter]

I think it should be taken into consideration that we haven't met a single batarian citizen throughout the course of the entire two games.

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...
I think it should be taken into consideration that we haven't met a single batarian citizen throughout the course of the entire two games.

Well, civilian. We don't know that the Hegemony revokes citizenship from its state-sponsored terrorists and slavers.

[CroGamer002]

@Christmas Ape

I think you need your eyes checked.

Even with sealed helmets it is easy to see difference between Asari, Batarian and Human.

[philiposophy]

I want to see some batarian dissidents. The batarian state is totalitarian, so it's not an unreasonable request to want to find some nice freedom loving batarians living in exile.

I want in game proof that they can be nice people!

Modifié par philiposophy, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:10 .

[Christmas Ape]

Mesina2 wrote...
@Christmas Ape
I think you need your eyes checked.
Even with sealed helmets it is easy to see difference between Asari, Batarian and Human.

Let's see some screenshots. Human and batarian Blue Suns, asari and human Eclipse. All I need to compare.

I want to see some batarian dissidents. The batarian state is totalitarian, so it's not an unreasonable request to want to find some nice freedom loving batarians living in exile.

And yet every time they make it out into the Terminus Systems and set themselves up a little colony, they start rounding up slaves and subjecting them to horrors.
Almost as if repugnantly brutal slavery were considered an intrinsic element of their culture.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Nightwriter]

I want to see a batarian named Stan sitting on the street corner in Omega with an accoustic guitar, going,

"WAR - HUH! - good God, y'all -
What is it good for?
Absolutely NOTHING - "

He plays it over and over until someone throws a shoe at his head (likely the Mad Prophet, Stan's arch nemesis). "Shut up, Stan!"

He starts to play another one.

"What the world
Needs now
Is love
Sweet love
It's the only thing - "

*Another shoe hits him in the face*

"Why can't we be friends
Why can we be friends
Why can't we be friends - "

*Shoe number three*

"All we are saying
Is give peace a chance - "

*Shoe number four, with an accompanying "Would you shut the f*ck UP, Stan!"*

"Let your love flow
Like a mountain stream
And let your love grow
With the smallest of dreams - "

Then Stan's guitar is taken and smashed, and he is beaten with its pieces for singing human music.

Yet Stan goes on, singing slurrily through a swollen lip and black and blue face:

"You say I'm just a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one - "

Campaign to buy Stan the Singing Batarian a new guitar for ME3.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 26 octobre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Riiiiiiight...



*Slowly walks away from Night*

[Legbiter]

Edit them. Edit them all down to the youngest spawn.

[etonesmith1]

Death! Death to all who oppose us!

(Cookie for the referance)

[DPSSOC]

I've had a thought recently about the "good" Batarians. Has anyone alive ever documented seeing a Leprachaun without the assistance of a foreign substance? No. So it's safe to assume they don't exist. Has anyone alive ever documented seeing a good Batarian? No. So it's safe to assume they don't exist. So if we go with the assumption that if no one has ever encountered something it doesn't exist, there are no good or innocent Batarians to worry about. So let's Edit the Batarians and make the galaxy a better place for everyone.

[Nightwriter]

That analogy... so much fail. So much. But it was funny, it had leprechauns in it, and it could possibly give birth to a Batarians Are Leprechauns meme, so I'm going to go ahead and give it a stamp of approval.

[DPSSOC]

Nightwriter wrote...

That analogy... so much fail. So much. But it was funny, it had leprechauns in it, and it could possibly give birth to a Batarians Are Leprechauns meme, so I'm going to go ahead and give it a stamp of approval.

Hoorah!

Yes I realize it's a bad analogy, but I do have a strict policy of not believing in things that have never been documented or witnessed personally.  This includes (but is not limited to) leprechauns, pixies, unicorns, and healthy looking vegetarians.

[PauseforEffect]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

"You have not defeated the enemy if you have adopted their methods."

First Punic War?
Second Punic War?
any of those ring a bell?
You do what the Romans did, take theyr method and better it against them!

Sorry, was looking at the events of Auschwitz and the reasoning that led up to it.

[curly haired boy]

DPSSOC wrote...

I've had a thought recently about the "good" Batarians. Has anyone alive ever documented seeing a Leprachaun without the assistance of a foreign substance? No. So it's safe to assume they don't exist. Has anyone alive ever documented seeing a good Batarian? No. So it's safe to assume they don't exist. So if we go with the assumption that if no one has ever encountered something it doesn't exist, there are no good or innocent Batarians to worry about. So let's Edit the Batarians and make the galaxy a better place for everyone.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Tranceptor]

Nightwriter wrote...

I think it should be taken into consideration that we haven't met a single batarian citizen throughout the course of the entire two games.

Cause all the other Batarians we met already sold them as slaves.

[Nightwriter]

Tranceptor wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I think it should be taken into consideration that we haven't met a single batarian citizen throughout the course of the entire two games.

Cause all the other Batarians we met already sold them as slaves.

Because they are forbidden from leaving batarian space.

[Tranceptor]

Nightwriter wrote...

Tranceptor wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I think it should be taken into consideration that we haven't met a single batarian citizen throughout the course of the entire two games.

Cause all the other Batarians we met already sold them as slaves.

Because they are forbidden from leaving batarian space.

Not forbidden enough apparently, I killed a hellovalot of them in ME2.

[Nightwriter]

Only criminals and undesirables are brave enough to leave. Little do they know they are escaping only to meet death by M-920 Cain. Mwahaha.

[Tranceptor]

Nightwriter wrote...

Only criminals and undesirables are brave enough to leave.

That's awfully judgemental. I'm shocked at you flying car. 

Shocked.

 

Little do they know they are escaping only to meet death by M-920 Cain. Mwahaha.

I don't know why but this made me laugh a lot.

[Nightwriter]

I know, right? I mean how could this guy be an undesirable?