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[Revan312]

Imo, ME2's problems can be boiled down to one all encompassing horrible story device..

[Pocketgb]

Nightwriter wrote...
And LotSB delivers some of the best character-to-character interaction I've ever seen, it makes you appreciate how a conversation between two people should play out, so of course it tends to throw ME2 into a bad light.

LotSB is another reason why I'm not really dreading ME3.

[marshalleck]

IGN is garbage, who cares what their review says.

[Getorex]

Revan312 wrote...

Imo, ME2's problems can be boiled down to one all encompassing horrible story device..

Clumsy, sure, however there were bits and pieces about part of what the Reapers are about. They latch onto the dominate species at the time of their return, or a "special" species with something key about them, and use them through the next go 'round. Humans are not the dominate species, but they are a fast up-and-coming species and as Samara and Mordin say, they are unique in various ways: most individualistic and particularly diverse genetically in comparison to the others. Presumably humans have the "special sauce" that the Reapers would latch onto THIS go-round.

Presumably also, in their replication/improvement they incorporate some aspect of this focus species into themselves while wiping them out. They gain something while eliminating the species. Didn't work so well with the Protheans so one would have to presume that the Reapers, as is in physical form, are modeled roughly on the special species that got their focus BEFORE the Protheans.

Of course, shouldn't they kinda wait until AFTER they come back and are pretty much wiping out everything? I kinda think they brainstormed their story into a box and had to toss in something and meet a deadline. Maybe better to go a little smaller and simply have all the captured humans be basically "teched up" like the Protheans/Collectors and have Shepard and crew simply have to go up against Collectors AND altered humans (not just Husks) that cannot be saved? That would have them facing down around 100k potential human collectors and untold numbers of prothean collectors?

Modifié par Getorex, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:54 .

[marshalleck]

Getorex wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Imo, ME2's problems can be boiled down to one all encompassing horrible story device..

Clumsy, sure, however there were bits and pieces about part of what the Reapers are about. They latch onto the dominate species at the time of their return, or a "special" species with something key about them, and use them through the next go 'round. Humans are not the dominate species, but they are a fast up-and-coming species and as Samara and Mordin say, they are unique in various ways: most individualistic and particularly diverse genetically in comparison to the others. Presumably humans have the "special sauce" that the Reapers would latch onto THIS go-round.

Presumably also, in their replication/improvement they incorporate some aspect of this focus species into themselves while wiping them out. They gain something while eliminating the species. Didn't work so well with the Protheans so one would have to presume that the Reapers, as is in physical form, are modeled roughly on the special species that got their focus BEFORE the Protheans.

Of course, shouldn't they kinda wait until AFTER they come back and are pretty much wiping out everything? I kinda think they brainstormed their story into a box and had to toss in something and meet a deadline. Maybe better to go a little smaller and simply have all the captured humans be basically "teched up" like the Protheans/Collectors and have Shepard and crew simply have to go up against Collectors AND altered humans (not just Husks) that cannot be saved? That would have them facing down around 100k potential human collectors and untold numbers of prothean collectors?

All of which is what makes it rather crap, to be honest. "Humans are special" junk all over again. All asari are radically progressive, high minded snobby elitists. All turians are strictly regimented authoritarians. All salarians are nerdy logicians. But humans, no, humans are special. They are the only race in the entire galaxy that has any depth, and whose individual and collective traits run the gamut from lowly street thug who will bust anyone's head for a credit, to saintly paragons with prescient long-term vision who can do no wrong. Oh yeah and it's all like genetic or something, so that's why the Reapers want to process us into giant T-800 space-terminators who will fly through space like Superman on their way to punch the Citadel in the face, apparently. 

Bleh. 

They should have made the end boss the giant reaper-tech-infused human fetus as pictured in the art book. That would have been much more horrifying and repulsive on a fundamental level, and made their transgression against our species much more offensive. The giant terminator is a joke. Way to turn Mass Effect into a stupid comic book. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:06 .

[Jebel Krong]

they always big humans up in these things - why is that an issue? it's a lot easier to differentiate humans - as we have easy examples of human diversity, than it is to come up with the same for aliens, without them seeming either unnatural or cliche.

[SimonTheFrog]

Well, the nice thing about sci-fi is that you can create aliens and let them do cool stuff. If you only create them to tell a story about glorious humans are, than this is not my cup of tea. I'm sure some people like it but i think its not the point of sci-fi.



I really fear that ME3 will be more about how awesome humans are in comparison to the other species. Crossing fingers and stuff.

[Dean_the_Young]

What aliens do we have in ME? They're all pretty much humans with funny skin textures, and uniformly treated as human-like thoughts, concerns, modes of conduct, and even form with superficial differences. They even bypassed the protein-barrier in ME2 to make way for Turian and Quarian romances.

The only real alien-looking aliens in Mass Effect are the Hanar and the Rachni, with a distant third going to the Krogan (who look more like hunch-backed humans with dino faces). Maybe the Reapers. But even they look like earth creatures: Jellyfish, a conglomoration of 'bug', and cuttlefish.

The only alien-thinking aliens are... maybe the Thorian. The Geth in ME1, but they were anthromorphized to the extreme in ME2 via Legion (or, rather, the Paragon lines to the Geth), while the Reapers went from 'incomprehensible' to 'lets make babies and kill everyone for their own good' in ME2.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:40 .

[SpectreSeven]

IGNorance on their part huh?

The references to ME1 is what makes ME2 great

[Bryy_Miller]

Jigero wrote...

people take IGN reviews seriously? IGN is the red headed step child of the professional review community.

Kotaku would like a word.

[Therion942]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Jigero wrote...

people take IGN reviews seriously? IGN is the red headed step child of the professional review community.

Kotaku would like a word.

All Kotaku does is steal memes and other ideas from more prominent social sites, at least IGN has original paid reviews.

[Googlesaurus]

Therion942 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Jigero wrote...

people take IGN reviews seriously? IGN is the red headed step child of the professional review community.

Kotaku would like a word.

All Kotaku does is steal memes and other ideas from more prominent social sites, at least IGN has original paid reviews.

From reading their reviews, that isn't saying much. At least Gametrailers bothers to make their reviews sound professional. 

[The Spamming Troll]

i dont judge games by someone elses opinion. i get off my butt and go rent games, then get back on my butt and play them.



IGN, shmIGN.

[Nightwriter]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Which is exactly what they were trying to convey. At least that's what i understood from a couple of interviews. ME2 steers in the direction of comics and this underlined by all the ME-comics that are being released. Too bad for people that prefer a more realistic approach to story telling.

Thats because the new lead writer is a comic book writer.

Its like they sent all the talent(Drew & Daniel) to write on TOR and left the reserve team to get ME2 over the line.

In fairness the guy who wrote the LOTSB did a good job(cant remember the name?) and I would like to see him given a larger role in ME3.

Please Bring back Drew to oversee ME3.

Ive read the first 2 ME books recently and I am finishing the last book of the Darth Bane trilogy at the moment and I have enjoyed them alot as Drew is getting stronger as an author with each book. I have ME Retribution sitting here waiting to go and I cant wait.

you are an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Oh, Jebel. It sounds like somebody needs a hug.

[Chuvvy]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

In their review, one of the negatives of ME2 was that it was overly referential to ME1.

What some news storys a few emails and a handful of dialog was too much? Yes let's just assume they hadn't played ME1 at all instead of assuming they probably didn't play it. It's not like bioware made their marketing campaign around seeing impacts of your decsions in the previous games. **** you IGN.

[Chuvvy]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Jigero wrote...

people take IGN reviews seriously? IGN is the red headed step child of the professional review community.

Kotaku would like a word.

IGN gave Party Babys a 7.5. Not kidding.


http://wii.ign.com/a...6/936573p1.html

Modifié par Slidell505, 29 octobre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Thalorin1919]

I really hope Bioware doesn't care at all about IGN's review, or any reviews, other then reviews and criticisms of actual fans.



I mean, IGN gives out really bad reviews in my opinion. There have been times I have looked up reviews for some games that have been proclaimed 'amazing' by most, but they pull something out hardly worth mentioning and give it an 8/10.



I mean, they gave GTA 4 a 10/10. Don't take them to heart, bioware.

[Nightwriter]

10/10?!

[MassEffect762]

If Bioware/EA does anything right come ME3 I pray it's the STORY.



Double check, Triple check, audience test(preferably Adults[25+]) the darn story.



Your "Rep" is riding on it the way I see it Bioware.



IGN who?

[Thalorin1919]

As all the noobs on youtube say,



IGN = IGNorant.



Mass Effect 3 is pretty critical for Bioware though. It's gonna show whether they will deliver a satisfactory ending to a combination of plot tension and buildup, I really don't know how they are going to pull it off. I really wish they stuck with the same leader writer for the whole thing, really sad he had to go.



All well, I still have faith. I mean, only time I've been let down is really never.

[Bryy_Miller]

Slidell505 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Jigero wrote...

people take IGN reviews seriously? IGN is the red headed step child of the professional review community.

Kotaku would like a word.

IGN gave Party Babys a 7.5. Not kidding.


http://wii.ign.com/a...6/936573p1.html

Kotaku doesn't even bother doing half-assed reviews anymore. They ditched that format for an essay format.