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[Nekemekem]

This is just a sad mess. Of everything. Nice how the artist has referenced the turian Councilor as Pallin, especially nice that he's referenced that awkward shot of him wearing a...random patch of something on his forehead. Lovely!

[Ryzaki]

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.



It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

[TMA LIVE]

Ryzaki wrote...

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.

It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

You wouldn't be able to get one anyways. Too much work, since you have to write the same comic, except this one has a guy, and this one has a girl. That doesn't sell comics. If anything, it confuses people.

[Ryzaki]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.

It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

You wouldn't be able to get one anyways. Too much work, since you have to write the same comic, except this one has a guy, and this one has a girl. That doesn't sell comics. If anything, it confuses people.

Huzzah!    

[Maestro975]

Getorex wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Maestro975 wrote...

I'm guessing this all has to do with Thane's loyalty mission:


If Shep failed to stop Kolyat (Thane's son) from killing Talid (corrupt turian politician), or simply didn't undertake the mission at all (or didn't even recruit Thane to begin with), then Kolyat kills Talid, Talid becomes a martyr for the anti-human movement. If Talid was saved, then he becomes more powerful, the fact that a human saved him doesn't matter, because his anti-human stance is good business. Either way, anti-human sentiment becomes a problem. TIM gives Elias Kelham political support to counter-balance the growing alien influence (as hinted at the end of the mission). Udina is dirty, and working with Kelham somehow. They decide that Executor Pallin, as an alien, is a threat, so they set him up, so a human Executor (Bailey) can take over and clean house.

That.....would work really awesomely.

Well, except...I am just now finishing a new playthrough of ME 1 and 2 (halfway through suicide mission at suicidal difficulty). I goofed doing Thane's loyalty mission and lost the target and couldn't get to him in time, Kolyat shot him and...it resets to the beginning to try again. There is no letting Kolyat kill anyone IF you actually start the loyalty mission. I believe you would have to refuse to do it at all to get your outcome.

Just sayin.

By the way, suicidal difficulty isn't really suicidal. It is actually what the hardened level (or whatever the level beneath suicidal is) should be. I've found only a few portions of a few missions that were fairly difficult at suicidal difficulty (Freedom's Progress final fight, a portion of Mordin's recruitment mission, and a couple others). That and choosing Garrus and Thane to go with you during at least the middle portion of the suicide mission is not so great a team combo.

One final note...I don't get the love of Garrus, at least in ME1. It had been a while since I played it and so had forgotten but Garrus dies the quickest of any teammate I have with me on any mission until rather late in ME1. I mean, even with Tali with me early it was inevitably Garrus who I kept expending meds on to resuscitate during combat. Rice paper armor, poor judgement (racing out into heavy gunfire, screw the cover) means one swift Turian fatality.

Really, because when I failed it, I didn't get any "try again" prompt. I got the cutscene where Kolyat kills Talid, and Thane musing about how "entropy always wins." Journal gave me all the indications that I completed it, but got a "bad end."

Oh, and if you're talking about the biotic bubble sequence, give Thane an M29 Incisor with Shredder ammo, he really kicks ass. Husks barely touched me. Though my other squadmate was Grunt, and I was at a lower difficulty.

By the looks of it, Palin turns out to be a dirty cop, something that is completely against his character, shown in ME1 and Retribution. It seems Mac Walters has once again gotten a character and given him/her a complete retcon. Nice.

Wrong. Pallin's views of humanity are actually pretty similar to Talid's. If you listen to what they both say carefully, you'll find some pretty valid concerns about humanity's fast ascension to the top. Pallin doesn't seem to be the type to let politics interfere with his job, but that brings us to the other point: he's being set up. The comic pretty much spells it out. Bailey tells Udina something along the lines of "I'd bet my arm that he's innocent," or something like that.

Udina is dirty. He had Harkin as a contact in C-Sec in ME1. In ME2, Anderson says "If you want something done on the Citadel, Udina's the guy to make it happen." Implication is underworld contacts. Then, in the Shadow Broker video archive, you see him in Afterlife on Omega. You also see Elias Kelham parking a hovercar outside Afterflife, (turning a turian into roadkill in the process). One gets the impression of a clandestine meeting. They decide they want Pallin "removed" so a human can become the new C-Sec investigator. If Bailey takes over, then Kelham has an Executor in his pocket. But Bailey would never agree to assassinate Pallin. Hence, the false charges. If Pallin IS guilty of something illegal, then he was probably either blackmailed by someone he was genuinely afraid of, or maybe even indoctrinated.

Letting the council die is supposed to come back to bite you at some point. A more corrupt Executor makes that situation a little easier to occur.

[Maestro975]

This thread is starting to mutate into a breeding ground for the angry, disgruntled ME1 purist who has slammed virtually everything that came after Ascension. As Ben Sisko (DS9) once said: If you don't like it, you know where the airlocks are.

[ciaweth]

Plot points aside, Pallin looks like a batarian in page 7, panel 1. And in panel 2 of the same...where did his nose go? Did Bailey hit him with Gotchyer Nose?



I fully expect, nay, DEMAND, that Pallin's nose reappear as Bailey's secret ally in his fight against evil forces.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

When will the last part be available?

[Animositisomina]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Just read the rest of the comic using that URL trick.

What URL trick? I'd like to read the last 4 pages myself...

Modifié par Animositisomina, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:45 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Animositisomina wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Just read the rest of the comic using that URL trick.

What URL trick? I'd like to read the last 4 pages myself...

Its on the first page posted by a dude with a volus pic, cant get it to work myself...

[Animositisomina]

Yeah, I just saw that. It works fine for me.

Edit: It seems to be up now on the original link...
http://www.usatoday....fect25_ST_N.htm

Modifié par Animositisomina, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Eradyn]

Anyone here who claims they know Mac Walter's characters better than he does should not be taken seriously. He and BW are the creators of the ME characters and if something is revealed that you don't like, tough. Because all it reveals, when you scream "character assassination" or "out of character" or whatever, is that YOU know squat about the character. Goodness. What we can truly claim to know is practically a void because what we're shown and told about Pallin is so damned limited. When they turn around and actually ravage an already well-established character and clearly subvert established character traits, then perhaps we would have a foundation for screaming at them. But until then, let's wait and see what all is actually going on.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I feel that Cerberus is somehow involved in this and I don't like what is happening.



Now, with Udina, we have 4 idiots in the Council.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Could they have made Bailey any more butt ugly? His face is just lines one one page



But an ME fix is an ME fix.

[Samuel L Shepard]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

auberonh wrote...

It's kind of strange though, because it seems like hardly anyone who played ME 1 would choose Udian unless they wanted to max out on Renegade points. Anderson helps you no matter what and Udina treats you like a jerk.

It is odd, but that's the way they did it. Maybe we'll find out why later...

And congrats on getting ME1. You have purchased a spectacular game

I think what the writers want by making Udina councillor is that it will add more drama and confrontation in ME3 and maybe set up missions trying to convince people about the reapers than if you had Anderson as councillor or something along those lines. 

This is my thought as well.

It also sets him up as an antagonist for ME3, which is a good move IMO (despite my wanting to keep Anderson in power). Udina is a hated character, and he is fairly familiar to players who completed ME1 and ME2; having him return as a vindictive Councillor will make us veteran ME fans go "Ah ****, this guy NEEDs to die now".

Now, how about a comic that tells us about how Udina became an ambassador on the Citadel? TIM is being given an origins comic, so why not Udina?

Yeah I wanted Anderson in power too, but story-wise Udina is better.
And Udina kicking other politicians a**es would be amazing lol 

[Samuel L Shepard]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Just read the rest of the comic using that URL trick.

VERY interesting. So, Bailey's the new Executor for C-Sec for ME3.

What was that info that Pallin wanted off the datapad I wonder? It was never explained.

Ye thanks for spoiling that lol, btw that url trick doesn't work for me, can you post the address please.

[DaBigDragon]

LiamN7 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Anyone here who claims they know Mac Walter's characters better than he does should not be taken seriously. He and BW are the creators of the ME characters and if something is revealed that you don't like, tough. Because all it reveals, when you scream "character assassination" or "out of character" or whatever, is that YOU know squat about the character. Goodness. What we can truly claim to know is practically a void because what we're shown and told about Pallin is so damned limited. When they turn around and actually ravage an already well-established character and clearly subvert established character traits, then perhaps we would have a foundation for screaming at them. But until then, let's wait and see what all is actually going on.

Mac from an interview about the tim comic.

Mac Walters: Oh yea, we actually have what we call an
“IP Bible.” We have several versions of it. We have an internal one and
a third party version which we give out to people like Dark Horse to
tell them, “Hey, read about our universe!” But yea, we maintain it and
update it over time.  



But I have to be honest with you, I need to thank the fans. One of the
best sources of information on Mass Effect is the Mass Effect Wiki. I
often use it myself.



CraveOnline: Wow, the man who created the Mass Effect universe uses the fans to keep his facts straight.



Mac Walters: The thing is, I, along with the other
writers, have come up with so much information that’s come and then
been cut that it’s hard to remember what’s in the final game.

.....and what's wrong with that? I understand his point of view. Better to keep the story straight then make mistakes because of all the changes made to the ME Universe.

[Phaedon]

Did anyone notice that all the dead C-Sec officers were human ?



This isn't good.



*punches Udina*

[DaBigDragon]

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Just read the rest of the comic using that URL trick.

VERY interesting. So, Bailey's the new Executor for C-Sec for ME3.

What was that info that Pallin wanted off the datapad I wonder? It was never explained.

Ye thanks for spoiling that lol, btw that url trick doesn't work for me, can you post the address please.

The whole thing is up now. Sorry for the spoilers!

http://www.usatoday....fect25_ST_N.htm

Modifié par DaBigDragon, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Samuel L Shepard]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.

It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

You wouldn't be able to get one anyways. Too much work, since you have to write the same comic, except this one has a guy, and this one has a girl. That doesn't sell comics. If anything, it confuses people.

Thing is it won't really confuse things because they'd  probably make it set before virmire (if they write one) and two separate stories with 2 different times so basically two different comics. Because Ashley and Kaiden didnt know each other before ME1 . 

[Samuel L Shepard]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Just read the rest of the comic using that URL trick.

VERY interesting. So, Bailey's the new Executor for C-Sec for ME3.

What was that info that Pallin wanted off the datapad I wonder? It was never explained.

Ye thanks for spoiling that lol, btw that url trick doesn't work for me, can you post the address please.

The whole thing is up now. Sorry for the spoilers!

http://www.usatoday....fect25_ST_N.htm

Thanks

[TMA LIVE]

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.

It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

You wouldn't be able to get one anyways. Too much work, since you have to write the same comic, except this one has a guy, and this one has a girl. That doesn't sell comics. If anything, it confuses people.

Thing is it won't really confuse things because they'd  probably make it set before virmire (if they write one) and two separate stories with 2 different times so basically two different comics. Because Ashley and Kaiden didnt know each other before ME1 . 

But wants the point of that? The comics are more about advertising ME2 and ME3, and giving hints. I just don't see what Ash and Kaidan in bootcamp and braincamp would add.

[Samuel L Shepard]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You know what...I don't want to see Kaidan/Ashley in a comic....ever.

It wouldn't be worth it for the rapid character assassination that would follow.

You wouldn't be able to get one anyways. Too much work, since you have to write the same comic, except this one has a guy, and this one has a girl. That doesn't sell comics. If anything, it confuses people.

Thing is it won't really confuse things because they'd  probably make it set before virmire (if they write one) and two separate stories with 2 different times so basically two different comics. Because Ashley and Kaiden didnt know each other before ME1 . 

But wants the point of that? The comics are more about advertising ME2 and ME3, and giving hints. I just don't see what Ash and Kaidan in bootcamp and braincamp would add.

Well either one of them could be main characters in ME3 or new DLC for them in ME2 and their comics could tie into their DLC, this is all speculation btw i'm not trying to cause an argument 

Modifié par Samuel L Shepard, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:29 .