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[kidbd15]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Have you seen that more pages are available on USA Today? That Captain Bailey is turnign out to be quite the badass.

Setting up Bailey to be a squad mate in ME3

[Lost Mercenary]

Seems like setup for Udina as a villain in Mass Effect 3.



WANT!!!!

[Gibb_Shepard]

lostmercenary99 wrote...

Seems like setup for Udina as a villain in Mass Effect 3.

WANT!!!!

Not necessarily, the renegades would most likely side with Udina as he is doing all of this for human dominance. So the story wouldn't be able to revolve around Udina as being a villain, because it's completely subjective.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 29 octobre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Pacifien wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...
Is it just me, or is this the ugliest comic ever conceived?

It's not pretty. Or well laid out. And the colors are dull. The writing is stilted. It's pretty much everything I expect from a franchise comic.

Bingo. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Default Shephard is a moron.

[RiotLaFontaine]

From Von Verrikan:



What we see in the comic is Udina with seemingly no need to talk to the other councilors, and with absolute power. This is him on an all human council. There is NO way they would let him A) Pick Bailey for Executor. And Go after Pallin just on his say so otherwise.



It's clearly Udina on his own crew. This comic is assuming all the other council members are human from default.



This means that even if they say Anderson stepped down, the councilors still would be there, and Udina wouldn't have nearly the kind of power he needs to pull this on Pallin and certainly not enough to put Bailey in power. They would go nuts. The turian councilor wouldn't stand for it.



Look at how bad Anderson has it on even minor issues when it comes to the council.



And the power needed to investigate Pallin and accuse him of corruption? The turian councilor would lead that, if anyone! And if it was found out Udina did it on his own, he would freak AND AT THE VERY LEAST he would not allow Bailey in as executor!



And to add:



This comic conflicts directly with player canon when it comes to choosing to save the council in ME1 and appointing Anderson as a member of the council.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Eh. It's an OK comic. Thankfully the quality of the games is far beyond this.



Canon is inevitable if Mass Effect will go on beyond ME3. The existence or non-existence of the Rachni, who was on the council, it would be almost impossible if you couldn't single out anything and had to avoid so many topics.



However I would prefer for the supplementary material to actually make sense with all possible playthroughs - I hope there is at least a sensible explanation that says why Udina is in charge if I picked Anderson, etc. I can see the comics as part of another "universe" that does happen too in the game lore, but slightly different to accommodate whatever happened differently in my game that would not have prevented the event from happening.

[THIS.HURTS.YOU]

I hope that ME3 starts with a detailed recap of all the player decisions that have been subverted in supplementary materials that maybe 2% of the player base will have read.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Nice strawman.

[Commander.John.Shepard]

casedawgz wrote...

Maybe he becomes defacto councilor because Anderson decides its:wizard: time to kick some ass.

This is >>>>HOW<<<< you must THINK!!! Exemplary! Just kidding

[Kolos2]

just confirms that Walters isnt a good choice as an lead writer for ME universe; hes great with characters but his main arc is very week, has a lot of plot holes and is reinventing the story



i would hope that this aint a sign what was to come in ME3....pisses me off Karpyshyn left the project, ME3 deservers a plot at least as good as it was in the Me1

[Tony Goff]

Karpyshyn left? What when where why?!

[Kolos2]

yes fot SW: Old Republic

[Tony Goff]

Did he leave before ME2? I found the main plot a bit weak, squad mate plots were great but the ending/revelation...weak.

[RGFrog]

wow, that was a terrible comic... I'm not hating here, I'm just shocked.

[CmdrKankrelat]

Eh, I didn't think the comic was horrible, as it served its purpose: characterize Bailey just a scant bit more, and set up the possible Citadel political situation for ME3.

For those who are concerned that this comic makes canon an Udina-led all-human Council, I think I may see a hope spot: you'll notice on the data pad that Udina's title is spelled "Counsellor." That's not the same as a "Councillor." The latter refers to a member of a council, whereas the former refers to a diplomat similar to an ambassador, In other words, it's a near-synonym for Udina's title as of Mass Effect 1 (I don't know if his title changed in ME2 if Anderson is made Councillor). Now why Mac would actually make that word choice when it serves only to create confusion is anybody's guess. Mine are either:
(a) he wanted to mix up the wording a bit, or
( he did actually intend a canon Udina Councillor, and either didn't understand the difference between this and a counsellor, or spelling fail. That could be the case if the rumors I've heard about Anderson stepping down in the Retribution novel are true. However since I've not yet read that, I can't confirm that for myself.

Either way, I'm not too surprised by Udina's actions - he's always wanted to play Palpatine, and this could set up his chance to do so in ME3, supposing you let the Council live in ME1 and forestalled Udina's schemes of becoming Emperor Donnel I, or whatever intimations for the throne he has. I do feel bad about the death of Pallin, precisely because he was a completey under-developed character. But what's past is past, and I'll be interested to see Bailey's fate as of ME3. An Executor Bailey I wouldn't mind - better than Cerberus Operative Bailey, as the Illusive Man's end-mission brief for one of the ME2 missions (either Thane's loyalty or Garrus' loyalty, not sure which, if either) seemed to intimate Cerberus' possible recruitment of Zakera's grizzled cop.

Here's to hoping ME3 will be nothing short of spectacular!  I think that this comic, whatever its faults, and the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC do a good-to-exceptional job of setting up an engrossing milieu for ME3.  

Modifié par CmdrKankrelat, 14 novembre 2010 - 06:41 .

[Mr Zoat]

I got the impression from the game that Chellick is Executor as of MA2, and that Pallin died in Mass Effect 1.



Made more sense than this nonsense.

[lekysma]

more and more humans among the c sec, one of the oldest and most respected alien peacekeepers framed and gunned down,all this somehow linked to the human councilor; methink udina is using the current chaotic situation,and the temporary human presence in the citadel to orchestrate a coup!

anyone else agree with me?

[yuncas]

THIS.HURTS.YOU wrote...

I hope that ME3 starts with a detailed recap of all the player decisions that have been subverted in supplementary materials that maybe 2% of the player base will have read.

me too.

[KateKane]

Retcons, bad writing, and terrible art?
Well, at least the ME comics aren't getting any worse.

So that's something.

[EatChildren]

Mr Zoat wrote...

I got the impression from the game that Chellick is Executor as of MA2, and that Pallin died in Mass Effect 1.

Made more sense than this nonsense.

Content on the game disk that cannot be access throughout normal progress through the game, regardless of its original intentions, should never be considered canon. What is canon is what we get told directly.

[this isnt my name]

Kolos2 wrote...

yes fot SW: Old Republic

Damn, they should have kept him on ME, ME1 was amazing, ME2 was bad plot wise. I hope they bring him back for 3, but changing writers is bad, BW shouldnt have done that.

[KateKane]

EatChildren wrote...

Mr Zoat wrote...

I got the impression from the game that Chellick is Executor as of MA2, and that Pallin died in Mass Effect 1.

Made more sense than this nonsense.

Content on the game disk that cannot be access throughout normal progress through the game, regardless of its original intentions, should never be considered canon. What is canon is what we get told directly.

He's still reffered to as Executor Chellick by Emily Wong at some point.

[Mr Zoat]

KateKane wrote...

EatChildren wrote...

Content on the game disk that cannot be access throughout normal progress through the game, regardless of its original intentions, should never be considered canon. What is canon is what we get told directly.

He's still reffered to as Executor Chellick by Emily Wong at some point.

Yeah, one of her news announcements.  I figure that its like the Tiberium Wars novel.  In Tiberian Sub Firestorm Commander McNeil died, but the joker who wrote the novel didn't bother to do the reading so he features as a character.