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[Zulu_DFA]

Lizardviking wrote...

Third: Does Udina have any connection to Cerberus? If yes, then why would he undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

How does Udina undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

Haven't you just mixed him up with Admiral Anderson?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

so mass effect 4 is going to be based on Commander Bailey?

[Ryzaki]

Half the fun of ME was the whole "Aliens have more power than humans and humans struggle for equality" seeing the equality go overboard into "Humans want more power than the aliens" is just a turn off.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Third: Does Udina have any connection to Cerberus? If yes, then why would he undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

How does Udina undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

Haven't you just mixed him up with Admiral Anderson?

Udina does nothing but undermine Shephard, from the point in ME1 that they lock the Normandy down onward in ME1, and in every interaction during ME2 if he's the human Councilor.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Third: Does Udina have any connection to Cerberus? If yes, then why would he undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

How does Udina undermine Shepard's work against the Reapers?

Haven't you just mixed him up with Admiral Anderson?

Admiral? I could swear Anderson was councilor in my playthrough. But the comic seems to take place after the new book, so Anderson have quit his job.

And I'm sure it's Anderson who believes the Reapers are real and was doing his best to mobilise the council to act, that he failed is another thing.

Unless you're refering to Retribution. then yeah, Anderson screwed up.

"EDIT" And if you killed the council and promoted Udina, then he does undermine Shepard's plans.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 octobre 2010 - 05:37 .

[Therion942]

Have You Ever Herped So Much You Derped: The Comic

There aren't enough tactical facepalms in the UNIVERSE

[Mars Nova]

I'm really not sure what to think about this.  It just seems so random, Pallin seems totally different from the way he did in ME, Councilor Udina again...

It seems like there's something interesting under the surface, but it just gets caught up in all the randomness.  Bioware needs to either expand on this and clear things up in ME3 or just declare it non-canon.  Same thing with the Councilor Udina.  Is this just following the default storyline, or are they trying to establish a canon? First with Anderson being referred to as Admiral rather than Councilor in Retribution even before he resigns, now this...Bioware, I need answers.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lizardviking wrote...
Unless you're refering to Retribution. then yeah, Anderson screwed up.

Yes, I was referring to Retribution.

Lizardviking wrote...
"EDIT" And if you killed the council and promoted Udina, then he does undermine Shepard's plans.

I didn't kill the Council. Geth did.

And yes , I promoted Udina and was rewarded by his bitter indifference about my existence. He did not dismiss the Reapers, however (so, probably, this could count as him not doing his part and thus undermining the whole effort).

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Udina does nothing but undermine Shephard, from the point in ME1 that they lock the Normandy down onward in ME1, and in every interaction during ME2 if he's the human Councilor.

Udina did not lock down the Normandy. He could not do it because he had no authority to do it. He simply relayed the will of the Council, along with preventing you from talking yourself into more trouble, like revoking your spectrehood right there and outright impounding the Normandy.

As for "down onward", pics or it never happened!

Mars Nova wrote...
I need answers.

Here is one:

Such little thingies as Inquisition are byproducts of the core game development.

For any substantial answers you will have to wait for ME3 proper, though.

[NitrAce]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Burdokva wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Why give us the choice though? Something like that irks the mess out of me. Our choices already are reduced to cameos and emails. Was it really necessary to screw this one up too?

I'm more than willing to sacrifice a little choice - and let's face it, as they go, this one was really rather inconsequential in its effects on the game - if it means a better and more cohesive story.

Oh, yes, absolutely "inconsequential", the ecision who will be the human representative of amongst the galactic government of four people. I say slap some random Joe as president of the USA or the prime minister of China, it doesn't matter all who has political power, at all... 

Seriously, if there's something that's bothering me even more is that BioWare is seriously determined to make Udina a "bad guy". Military man Anderson - good; professional diplomat Udina - bad... I say we all go grab some weapons and start killing each other, diplomacy is apparently the working field of evil sociopaths who shouldn't be trusted. 

Well except the asari couniclor(sp) she is prety nice and at least reasonable.

The salarian and turian councilors aren't all bad either.
Udina as a person does seem like a jackass. Too pro-human. Maybe if he actually started doing something for the betterment of everyone rather than the advancement of just humans he wouldn't be so hated. Same thing with TIM but that's another topic.

[RiouHotaru]

This potentially renders significant portions of Retribution and Inquisition non-canon unless they can explain how Councilor Anderson (Not Admiral Anderson) got removed from office.



I think this could be the groundwork for a new DLC, and apparently Bioware had to pick a canon to expland on their universe, which, while understandable, leaves a lot of us blinking first in shock, then crying foul. They better have a damn good explaination for those of us who didn't pick Udina.

[Zulu_DFA]

Just to repeat myself.



Don't get shocked when it turns out that Anderson's term of office simply expires shortly after you visit him in ME2. And he doesn't get reappointed, because the bad bad people, probably the Cerberus infiltrators in the Alliance, make Udina councillor for the second (and all consecutive) term.

[RiouHotaru]

^ Now, I could live with that Zulu, but only IF they tell us that in-game.

[Kasen]

I still think Bioware intends to put David Anderson on the squad in ME3, hence why they needed a reason to have him not be a Councilor. I know, I know, "but he's too old!!!" but it's not like there aren't hundreds of examples of an old war veteran coming back for one last go because the world needs them in games/movies/books (and he can't be much older than Zaeed from the looks of the two.)



Makes sense to me at least, but it's just speculation...

[Therion942]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Just to repeat myself.

Don't get shocked when it turns out that Anderson's term of office simply expires shortly after you visit him in ME2. And he doesn't get reappointed, because the bad bad people, probably the Cerberus infiltrators in the Alliance, make Udina councillor for the second (and all consecutive) term.

Then why let us make the choice at all? Oh right because it happened in ME1, forgot not supposed to acknowledge its existence.

This **** reeks of "YOU DID IT WRONG LET ME FIX IT FOR YOU"

Modifié par Therion942, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:48 .

[Getorex]

Kasen13 wrote...

I still think Bioware intends to put David Anderson on the squad in ME3, hence why they needed a reason to have him not be a Councilor. I know, I know, "but he's too old!!!" but it's not like there aren't hundreds of examples of an old war veteran coming back for one last go because the world needs them in games/movies/books (and he can't be much older than Zaeed from the looks of the two.)



Makes sense to me at least, but it's just speculation...

Ugh. This makes no sense. Anderson to be placed under Shepard, a mere Commander? Going from leader to meek "yes sir" follower? Ridiculous. Plus, he's of an age where heading into a direct combat remit is NOT likely.

[Getorex]

Therion942 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Just to repeat myself.

Don't get shocked when it turns out that Anderson's term of office simply expires shortly after you visit him in ME2. And he doesn't get reappointed, because the bad bad people, probably the Cerberus infiltrators in the Alliance, make Udina councillor for the second (and all consecutive) term.

Then why let us make the choice at all? Oh right because it happened in ME1, forgot not supposed to acknowledge its existence.

This **** reeks of "YOU DID IT WRONG LET ME FIX IT FOR YOU"

On the other hand, it wasn't like Anderson was doing you any good being on the Council was it? He was largely sidelined when it came to ANYTHING important. Hell, it would be more fitting for him to resign in a pique and do something else that WOULD help (but not on the crew...again, an ADMIRAL - a fairly aging guy - joining a crew as an underling to a mere COMMANDER...meh. You do realize that this is placing a General subservient to a LtCol, right?).

Modifié par Getorex, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:55 .

[Kasen]

Getorex wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

I still think Bioware intends to put David Anderson on the squad in ME3, hence why they needed a reason to have him not be a Councilor. I know, I know, "but he's too old!!!" but it's not like there aren't hundreds of examples of an old war veteran coming back for one last go because the world needs them in games/movies/books (and he can't be much older than Zaeed from the looks of the two.)

Makes sense to me at least, but it's just speculation...

Ugh. This makes no sense. Anderson to be placed under Shepard, a mere Commander? Going from leader to meek "yes sir" follower? Ridiculous. Plus, he's of an age where heading into a direct combat remit is NOT likely.

Anderson is a former N7 commando, not just a random soldier - as I said, look at Zaeed's age, or even a recent Clint Eastwood/Bruce Willis/Sylvester Stallone movie. (Edited to add: Not to mention he seemed to handle combat very well in Retribution and the LotSB video)
And Shepard isn't even still in the Alliance anymore, military rank has no meaning here.

Laugh all you like, but that's my theory and I'm sticking to it until I'm proved wrong by Bioware.

Edit: And even if he doesn't end up on Shepard's team, I certainly look for him to have a more important role than Councilor in ME3. Either way, he's a good character and deserves a bigger role.

Modifié par Kasen13, 26 octobre 2010 - 07:07 .

[cachx]

Therion942 wrote...
Then why let us make the choice at all? Oh right because it happened in ME1, forgot not supposed to acknowledge its existence.

This **** reeks of "YOU DID IT WRONG LET ME FIX IT FOR YOU"

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I like Udina being set up as a bad guy.
I like Anderson stepping down and potentially having a more active role.
The decision didn't have galaxy shattering consequences? big ****ing deal...

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Half the fun of ME was the whole "Aliens have more power than humans and humans struggle for equality" seeing the equality go overboard into "Humans want more power than the aliens" is just a turn off.

I dunno... it's an interesting concept. The Council gave us too much in too short a time; they trusted us too easily, and now a few unsavoury politicians/powerful people are taking this opportunity to grab power for humanity and themselves. It seems like the people and factions that are behind this advancement are ones we already know: Terra Firma, Cerberus/TIM, and Udina. Three different entities that can be directly linked to the rise of humanity.

The one who's really responsible for this, though, is Shepard. I wonder if Shepard will acknowledge at some point in ME3 that his/her actions are to blame for the apparent takeover staged by those few people in power. Personally, I'd love it if Shepard discussed the turbulent state of galactic politics with his squadmates and they either blamed him outright if he killed the Council, or sympathized with his position if he saved them. This comic seems to hint that our decision to either kill or save the Council in ME1 will have some pretty big consequences come ME3.

But I did enjoy humanity being the underdog. Now, I guess my Shepard's going to have to deal with TIM and Udina before he stops the Reapers.

[Phaedon]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
But I did enjoy humanity being the underdog. Now, I guess my Shepard's going to have to deal with TIM and Udina before he stops the Reapers. 

And let's not forget that Udina may be connected to Cerberus.
Humans are really dangerous being, both to themselves and to others. I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers weren't your only enemy.

[Moiaussi]

At this rate, maybe the Reapers will all be a Cerberus hoax after all...

[Fiery Phoenix]

RiouHotaru wrote...

^ Now, I could live with that Zulu, but only IF they tell us that in-game.

It's the only way to do it. An explanation in-game.

[Zulu_DFA]

cachx wrote...
I like Udina being set up as a bad guy.

Uncle Don is a good guy. Just like Uncle Tim and Uncle Steve.
While everyone with surname ending in "son" is a traitor.

[Dean_the_Young]

What do you get when you mix Uncle Don with Uncle Tim?



Uncle Tom.



Case closed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

cachx wrote...
I like Udina being set up as a bad guy.

Uncle Don is a good guy. Just like Uncle Tim and Uncle Steve.
While everyone with surname ending in "son" is a traitor.

Not this again.