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[cachx]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

^ Now, I could live with that Zulu, but only IF they tell us that in-game.

It's the only way to do it. An explanation in-game.

Hopefully it will be, even if its only a couple of lines. But I don't know, my experience with products that go the Cross-Media way is not really positive in this aspect . (see: Matrix trilogy, new Star Wars trilogy, Heroes tv-show).

[curly haired boy]

all i can say is....sloppy writing. even more plot holes than usual, really. i'm disappointed.

[DynamiteDK92]

Kasen13 wrote...

I still think Bioware intends to put David Anderson on the squad in ME3, hence why they needed a reason to have him not be a Councilor. I know, I know, "but he's too old!!!" but it's not like there aren't hundreds of examples of an old war veteran coming back for one last go because the world needs them in games/movies/books (and he can't be much older than Zaeed from the looks of the two.)

Makes sense to me at least, but it's just speculation...

I don't think Anderson is going to be a squadmate (though I wouldn't have a problem with it), I simply think he is going to be an advisor or something similar, possibly staying on the SR2 with Shepard.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

cachx wrote...
I like Udina being set up as a bad guy.

Uncle Don is a good guy. Just like Uncle Tim and Uncle Steve.
While everyone with surname ending in "son" is a traitor.

Wait until Udina along with the other councilors (if alive) declare Shepard a traitor in ME3.

It's bound to happen now!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 octobre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Kasen]

DynamiteDK92 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

I still think Bioware intends to put David Anderson on the squad in ME3, hence why they needed a reason to have him not be a Councilor. I know, I know, "but he's too old!!!" but it's not like there aren't hundreds of examples of an old war veteran coming back for one last go because the world needs them in games/movies/books (and he can't be much older than Zaeed from the looks of the two.)

Makes sense to me at least, but it's just speculation...

I don't think Anderson is going to be a squadmate (though I wouldn't have a problem with it), I simply think he is going to be an advisor or something similar, possibly staying on the SR2 with Shepard.

I'm probably wrong on this theory, I'll admit that (and it may be some bias just because I think Anderson is one of the best non-squad characters in the series so far). I just hope he gets a really good role in ME3, rather than a short cameo.

I'm really interested in seeing more of this thing with Udina though, something's fishy is going on and I don't like it.

[Commander Raiden]

I thought the art-style wasn't too bad, not as bad as the recently released "interactive" comic on Deadspace, now THAT was bad...

[Costin_Razvan]

I dunno... it's an interesting concept. The Council gave us too much in too short a time; they trusted us too easily, and now a few unsavoury politicians/powerful people are taking this opportunity to grab power for humanity and themselves. It seems like the people and factions that are behind this advancement are ones we already know: Terra Firma, Cerberus/TIM, and Udina. Three different entities that can be directly linked to the rise of humanity.

I don't understand how the rise of humanity is something inherently bad in itself, obviously there are people who have made things worse, but there are those who are also making things better ( like Bailey dealing with the situation in the Wards properly, or Anderson making trade agreements with other races if Councilor, Humans being able to have a say to what happens on the Galactic Scale etc.etc.. ).



In regards to the significance of making Anderson Councilor, I did not feel that Bioware was pissing on my choice by removing him from that position. It was clear that the other Councilors did not respect him, and since he is the one who will make Shepard Spectre again, or strongly supports the decision, then it is logical that he would lose his office sooner or latter. Bioware went with sooner.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I thought Anderson quit the Alliance, not the Council

[Dave of Canada]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I thought Anderson quit the Alliance, not the Council

People seem to believe that the story makes it so that Anderson quit being a Councilor and quit being Admiral at the same time, even though that's impossible due to both of them being mutually exclusive.

[RiouHotaru]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I thought Anderson quit the Alliance, not the Council

People seem to believe that the story makes it so that Anderson quit being a Councilor and quit being Admiral at the same time, even though that's impossible due to both of them being mutually exclusive.

Is it possible he stepped down from being Councilor, became an Admiral somewhere between ME2 and Retribution...and then stepped down again?

[Zulu_DFA]

"Admiral" is a rank, not an office. You don't step down from it.

[TheBlackBaron]

Burdokva wrote...
Oh, yes, absolutely "inconsequential", the ecision who will be the human representative of amongst the galactic government of four people. I say slap some random Joe as president of the USA or the prime minister of China, it doesn't matter all who has political power, at all... 

Seriously, if there's something that's bothering me even more is that BioWare is seriously determined to make Udina a "bad guy". Military man Anderson - good; professional diplomat Udina - bad... I say we all go grab some weapons and start killing each other, diplomacy is apparently the working field of evil sociopaths who shouldn't be trusted. 

It didn't matter one iota who was the Human councilor from Shepard's perspective. Regardless of whether it's Anderson or Udina, whether the old Council survived or not, you still get no support and there aren't even slight differences in the plot. You might get your Spectre status reinstated, but that too has no effect in the long run.

I'd probably be more upset about Udina being the Councilor (if indeed they've made that a retcon, and it's not simply story progression) if that choice had had a more significant effect on the narrative. But it didn't. So there you go.

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

"Admiral" is a rank, not an office. You don't step down from it.

Well, in Retribution, didn't he have to give up his position as a result of giving the Cerberus info to the turians?  I don't own the book, so I don't know for sure the sequence of events.

[Big I]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I thought Anderson quit the Alliance, not the Council

People seem to believe that the story makes it so that Anderson quit being a Councilor and quit being Admiral at the same time, even though that's impossible due to both of them being mutually exclusive.

I just look at it as him having burnt his bridges with both the Alliance and the Council.

[Moiaussi]

It could be that ME3 will start with discovering that Udina and possibly the Council are indoctrinated already, and Anderson will be set up as head of some other base which becomes the new seat of government over the course of ME3, ala Babylon 5?



A bit tacky in that it has already been done in Babylon 5, but it might at least tie the loose ends together...

[TheBlackBaron]

Moiaussi wrote...
A bit tacky in that it has already been done in Babylon 5, but it might at least tie the loose ends together...

Oh, please, nobody's going to care that "it's already been done". Everything in the ME universe has "already been done".

Tropes are not bad, people.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:34 .

[piemanz]

A couple of things in the shadow broker base are quite intresting and may be relevant.First theres the correspondence from Alliance brass i assume, with Anderson.

Intercept 16:12//Secure Comm Buoy #4673//Encrypted//#3467 - DA - 225

Sender: Captain Farrah Gapoli, Arcturus Station


David Anderson,

I have been asked to step in on the matter of your continued vocal and insistent support of Commander Shepard, formerly of the SR1 Normandy, within the Alliance military and to third party contracts. The matter of Commander Shepard and his involvement in the attack on the Citadel station is of high value to military intelligence and the Galactic Council. To that end, we respectfully ask you to cease and desist your continued investigation that has been deemed closed and sealed for two solar years.

Your continued agitation in this matter is deemed a high security risk with potential repercussions for galactic security.

Please consider our position carefully. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact my office.


Sincerely,

Captain Farrah Gapoli

Assistant in Charge of Operations

Arcturus Station

And then theres the videos of anderson punching udina,and talking with a cerberus agent.

Modifié par piemanz, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:40 .

[Collider]

Honestly, if Udina becomes Councilor invariably, why give us the choice of choosing who to recommend?

[Christmas Ape]

It's either because Shepard can be wrong sometimes or because Bioware hates its customers.

"Wrong" as in "Anderson wasn't up to politics after all" not "forgot what they said".

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:54 .

[TMA LIVE]

piemanz wrote...


A couple of things in the shadow broker base are quite intresting and may be relevant.First theres the correspondence from Alliance brass i assume, with Anderson.

Intercept 16:12//Secure Comm Buoy #4673//Encrypted//#3467 - DA - 225

Sender: Captain Farrah Gapoli, Arcturus Station


David Anderson,

I have been asked to step in on the matter of your continued vocal and insistent support of Commander Shepard, formerly of the SR1 Normandy, within the Alliance military and to third party contracts. The matter of Commander Shepard and his involvement in the attack on the Citadel station is of high value to military intelligence and the Galactic Council. To that end, we respectfully ask you to cease and desist your continued investigation that has been deemed closed and sealed for two solar years.

Your continued agitation in this matter is deemed a high security risk with potential repercussions for galactic security.

Please consider our position carefully. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact my office.


Sincerely,

Captain Farrah Gapoli

Assistant in Charge of Operations

Arcturus Station

And then theres the videos of anderson punching udina,and talking with a cerberus agent.

Plus getting into a gun fight. There's a lot that can get Anderson kicked off as Councilor.

[TMA LIVE]

Collider wrote...

Honestly, if Udina becomes Councilor invariably, why give us the choice of choosing who to recommend?

Like I said, because 3 years later, they may need Udina to be the Councilor based on the story they're currently writing for ME3, and can't do whatever if Anderson is the Councilor.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Moiaussi]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...
A bit tacky in that it has already been done in Babylon 5, but it might at least tie the loose ends together...

Oh, please, nobody's going to care that "it's already been done". Everything in the ME universe has "already been done".

Tropes are not bad, people.

There is a difference between a trope, and a specific set of tropes and/or plot elements put together in a specific order. Next thing you will be saying that if someone re-did star wars and changed only the title and character names that there would be no copyright issues.

[PARAGON87]

I would say this is the most confusing ME comic that has ever been released.  It just raises too many questions.

Pallin in ME1: "I've been with C-Sec 30 years, I've never had to break the rules to do my job.  Not once." 

....now he's being implicated in corruption?  What corruption?  What terrorist entity has he been dealing with?  How did Udina find out? Why is now Capt. Bailey now head of C-Sec?  Why were all of those C-Sec agents dead when Bailey found Pallin?  Are there any more agents of this organization Pallin is accused of dealing with?
And finally... WHAT IS GOING ON?  

Really, really weak storytelling, if you ask me.

Hopefully this is all addressed in upcoming DLC or ME3... or ever.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:51 .

[Collider]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Collider wrote...

Honestly, if Udina becomes Councilor invariably, why give us the choice of choosing who to recommend?

Like I said, because 3 years later, they may need Udina to be the Councilor based on the story they're currently writing for ME3, and can't do whatever if Anderson is the Councilor.

Yea. I just don't like the illusion of choice though.

FFX:
My Tidus totally wanted Lulu. The player even gets to say this. Or say that they don't want Yuna, at least.
But no. It's Yuna every time.
Why give me the choice then?!!

[Moiaussi]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Like I said, because 3 years later, they may need Udina to be the Councilor based on the story they're currently writing for ME3, and can't do whatever if Anderson is the Councilor.

If outcomes don't matter, why even pretend it is a game instead of a movie? I am have expecting ME3 to either start, or worse, end with Shepard waking up from the prothean beacon exploding and learning it was all a coma induced dream....