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[ralph2190]

Cassandra sounds Orlesian..little bit like Leliana to me.

[Kerilus]

The video automatically switches to destiny and the destiny link is broken.

[errant_knight]

I have no problem with Isabella, mainly because I don't mind having companions I don't like. Could be interesting. I do wonder why she doesn't feel the need for pants. Bit odd, that. Well, if she's a companion, I can make her wear clothes. 'Isabella! For the love of the Maker, put some pants on! I'm just not that interested, and you're embarassing yourself.'

Still really iffy on the graphics and animation, but the characters look more normal than I thought they were going to, even if I don't like the look of the creatures.

To me the best part of the video was 'the whole world on the brink of war.' That makes me think that whatever this is will not just be a Kirkwall/Free Marches thing, but will involve other countries as well. That's more interesting to me. 'Cause, really, I only care about Fereldan.

One thing I don't like is the emphasis on what a gigantic badass Hawke is, but the PC could have been presented that way, too. 'All of Thedas turns to the one person who can save the world--The PC!!! OMG!' In game roleplay was far more open, and I expect this will be as well.

Modifié par errant_knight, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:15 .

[n2nw]

David Gaider wrote...
As approval goes down you get interactions where you argue with the companion, and this is the path where you could ultimately convince them they need to change.

I like this idea, but the question is, will it make sense?  In NWN2, I felt okay being able to sway Ammon Jerro as his background (in how he became what he had) made it easier to manipulate him towards good.  But there are some characters that I think would (and should) be very difficult to sway to your side (or even impossible).  A chaotic evil personality turning over to lawful good would just be scary, though it would be interesting if you could get them to maybe become a little more neutral.

Can't wait to see how these relationships develop.

Edit:
Ninja'd earlier.  People post too fast here.

Modifié par n2nw, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:13 .

[DarthCaine]

David Gaider wrote...

Essentially what it boils down to is this: in Origins if you didn't get along with a companion you got nothing. No dialogue, no interaction and no gameplay benefits. So what we've done is added a "rivalry path" which is the friendship path in reverse. As approval goes down you get interactions where you argue with the companion, and this is the path where you could ultimately convince them they need to change.

Thus taking a stance with a companion that is argumentative is a legitimate way to develop your relationship with them, and there's no need to hunt for the approval bonuses in every instance.

But what happens if you stay neutral ? (say you get +10 approval in one dialogue and -10 in another).
The way I see it, the only way to develop your relationship is to either get max approval or min approval, there's no middle ground.

[errant_knight]

Kerilus wrote...

The video automatically switches to destiny and the destiny link is broken.

I had to watch it on Youtube:

[Apollo Starflare]

David Gaider wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...
You can be a complete **** to your companions and get bonuses and new dialogue for it.

So it's like the romance/friendship thing except in reverse? That sound AWESOME!!

Essentially what it boils down to is this: in Origins if you didn't get along with a companion you got nothing. No dialogue, no interaction and no gameplay benefits. So what we've done is added a "rivalry path" which is the friendship path in reverse. As approval goes down you get interactions where you argue with the companion, and this is the path where you could ultimately convince them they need to change.

Thus taking a stance with a companion that is argumentative is a legitimate way to develop your relationship with them, and there's no need to hunt for the approval bonuses in every instance.

This sounds immense. Personally I like what I've seen of Isabella, but there is always one or two companions in a Bioware game that I don't get on with (a good thing!) so to have extra content just for disagreeing with/hating them is awesome. Plus it adds more replayability, which should help lessen the blow of not having Origins to draw in replays. Exciting!

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Does that apply to all companions?  I can't imagine my blood mage convincing Wynne to convert to apostasy very easily.

There is a rivalry path for all characters, yes. And by "convince them to change" I don't mean you can convince them of anything... rather you might be able to convince them to change regarding their central "issue". If Morrigan had a rivalry path, for instance, it might revolve around you telling her that helping people can be a way to get what she wants, and thus afterwards she wouldn't complain whenever you went out of your way to help people. She would still have the same personality and outlook on life.

This seriously may be the single awesomest character interaction gamplay features I have heard of, ever.

[DarthCaine]

ralph2190 wrote...

Cassandra sounds Orlesian..little bit like Leliana to me.

And I hate Cassandra's french accent already

[Apollo Starflare]

ralph2190 wrote...

Cassandra sounds Orlesian..little bit like Leliana to me.

According to David Gaider she is from Nevarra, which is just north of Orlais.

[Ravenfeeder]

Me likey. Although Isabela's face looked somewhat.. undefined?

[nightcobra]

errant_knight wrote...

I have no problem with Isabella, mainly because I don't mind having companions I don't like. Could be interesting. I do wonder why she doesn't feel the need for pants. Bit odd, that. Well, if she's a companion, I can make her wear clothes. 'Isabella! For the love of the Maker, put some pants on! I'm just not that interested, and you're embarassing yourself.'

Still really iffy on the graphics and animation, but the characters look more normal than I thought they were going to, even if I don't like the look of the creatures.

To me the best part of the video was 'the whole world on the brink of war.' That makes me think that whatever this is will not just be a Kirkwall/Free Marches thing, but will involve other countries as well. That's more interesting to me. 'Cause, really, I only care about Fereldan.

One think I don't like is the emphasis on what a gigantic badass Hawke is, but the PC could have been presented that way, too. 'All of Thedas turns to the one person who can save the world--The PC!!! OMG!' In game roleplay was far more open, and I expect this will be as well.

well isabella to me always felt like she was a rather promiscuous woman so i can believe that she uses her no pants policy to both distract male opponents and give her maximum agility:P

[DarthCaine]

BioWare seems to be getting a lot of stuff from Alpha Protocol. The framed narrative, the professional/suave/aggressive personalities, the "rivalry" path (as in you get bonuses even when people dislike you)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:14 .

[David Gaider]

DarthCaine wrote...
But what happens if you stay neutral ? (say you get +10 approval in one dialogue and -10 in another).
The way I see it, the only way to develop your relationship is to either get max approval or min approval, there's no middle ground.

If you never go down the rivalry or friendship paths you will never get those interactions. You will still get plenty of interaction with the companion by way of their personal quests, which is where a lot of their development comes into play, but you won't end up being a close friend or rival if you play the middle ground-- which is appropriate, I think.

DarthCaine wrote...
BioWare seems to be getting a lot of stuff
from Alpha Protocol. The framed narrative, the
professional/suave/aggressive personalities, the "rivalry" path (as in
you get bonuses even when people dislike you)

We had these things in DA2 prior to Alpha Protocal coming out, but I think that game did those things quite well (though I'm not sure I was sold on simply picking the stance without even getting a paraphrase). Chalk it up to great minds thinking alike, I guess.

Modifié par David Gaider, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .

[errant_knight]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I have no problem with Isabella, mainly because I don't mind having companions I don't like. Could be interesting. I do wonder why she doesn't feel the need for pants. Bit odd, that. Well, if she's a companion, I can make her wear clothes. 'Isabella! For the love of the Maker, put some pants on! I'm just not that interested, and you're embarassing yourself.'

Still really iffy on the graphics and animation, but the characters look more normal than I thought they were going to, even if I don't like the look of the creatures.

To me the best part of the video was 'the whole world on the brink of war.' That makes me think that whatever this is will not just be a Kirkwall/Free Marches thing, but will involve other countries as well. That's more interesting to me. 'Cause, really, I only care about Fereldan.

One think I don't like is the emphasis on what a gigantic badass Hawke is, but the PC could have been presented that way, too. 'All of Thedas turns to the one person who can save the world--The PC!!! OMG!' In game roleplay was far more open, and I expect this will be as well.

well isabella to me always felt like she was a rather promiscuous woman so i can believe that she uses her no pants policy to both distract male opponents and give her maximum agility:P

Hmmm.... Possible. Disconcerting, but possible....

[n2nw]

I would love to see a lady Hawke used in a big trailer. Do we get a smeksy gypsy guy running for us? And I want to see how the girls use the little flame-throwing fist and ninja jumps.

Modifié par n2nw, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .

[errant_knight]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...
But what happens if you stay neutral ? (say you get +10 approval in one dialogue and -10 in another).
The way I see it, the only way to develop your relationship is to either get max approval or min approval, there's no middle ground.

If you never go down the rivalry or friendship paths you will never get those interactions. You will still get plenty of interaction with the companion by way of their personal quests, which is where a lot of their development comes into play, but you won't end up being a close friend or rival if you play the middle ground-- which is appropriate, I think.

This is an aspect of the game that is very exciting, I think. I'm very interested to see how it works in practice.

[Annie_Dear]

n2nw wrote...

I would love to see a lady Hawke used in a big trailer. Do we get a smeksy gypsy guy running for us? And I want to see how the girls use the little flame-throwing fist and ninja jumps.

Yeah, it would be nice to see lady Hawke in a trailer.

[Nhadalie]

I have to admit.. I love both Varric's and Cassandra's voices. Varric has the smug sound that I imagined, and Cassandra sounds pissed off.



I am curious as to why there are more Qunari though.. Perhaps there actually will be a Qunari invasion in DA2. Maybe the whole Mage/Templar battle will only be hinted at. Hm. Something to think about anyway.

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...
We had these things in DA2 prior to Alpha Protocal coming out, but I think that game did those things quite well (though I'm not sure I was sold on simply picking the stance without even getting a paraphrase). Chalk it up to great minds thinking alike, I guess.

Yeah, but their combat was so badly broken that it made the game unplayable. You guys, at least in all of Mike's empatic claims, kept the combat working right.

[dheer]

Well, the production quality of the trailer was great.

It seemed like a summer action movie spot, not one for an rpg.

Edit-Not trying to be negative. It was put together well.

Modifié par dheer, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:24 .

[nightcobra]

did anyone notice the qunari armor and especially the helmets? kudos to the design

[upsettingshorts]

edit: post was edited

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:25 .

[DarthCaine]

dheer wrote...

Well, the production quality of the trailer was great.

It seemed like a summer action movie spot, not one for an rpg.

As opposed to DAO's Violence trailer ?

[ankuu]

n2nw wrote...

I would love to see a lady Hawke used in a big trailer. Do we get a smeksy gypsy guy running for us? And I want to see how the girls use the little flame-throwing fist and ninja jumps.

Don't worry, i am sure we'll get our slice of pie :wizard:Afterall, in the IGN preview they said it's better to be a girl xD