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[Tinxa]

Riona45 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Seems like a small world with all of the DAO characters making cameos/taking significant roles in DA2. What's the population of Thedas anyway?

Did you forget BG2 where EVERYONE and their mother turned up in or around Ahkatla

At least in Isabela's case it makes sense, given that she is a sailor.  I thought many of the cameos in BG2 were gratuitous and hard to believe (and I generally enjoy cameos).

I don't know what to think about the pirate lady being that Isabela. I kind of got the feeling she was an older mature woman (the way she looked and the fact that she was a captain). Not Wynne's age but quite a bit older than Morrigan or Leliana for example... and now she looks young

Well remember Morrigan was supposed to be in her late twenties or early thirties.

Cameos in BG were over the top, it seemed like you couldn't cross an area and not come across at least 3 NPCs from BG. It got pretty distracting. I like the fact that Isabela's presence at least makes sense.


Yes, I thought that DAO Isabela was late thirties at least or older and now I wouldn't give her much more than late twenties. I'd like it better if it was a new character and I wonder how are they going to explain her travelling around with Hawke when she was supposed to be at the Pearl playing cards with the warden  (it seems like we get her early in the game.)

[Perfect-Kenshin]

JohnEpler wrote...

Guys, shemale is a rather offensive term, particularly to some members of our community. Please avoid it in the future.

Shemale is in reference to a pre-op transexual who aspires in the field of pornography. It doesn't compare to certain other words which are actually prohibited in our society. The offense here is similar to calling a non-****/prostitute a ****/prostitute.  Although it's offensive to many to refer to another preo-op transexual as a shemale if she does not meet the above criteria, I don't see how it's offensive to refer to a fictional character as one, seeing as how one can't hurt a fictional character's feelings and that being fictional is an indication that the character doesn't exist.

For that matter, I don't see how words should even be regarded as "offensive" when the message carried with them (which is the purpose of all words) is not always intended to convey offense. In this case, the gentleman used the word in reference to Isabela, for the purpose of conveying the notion that although she was a woman, she still possessed a masculine appearance. Had he come out and said this in the way I phrased it just now, the message would be no different.

There is a certain word (which I shall not use here) which those amongst the African American community use  (and don't bother calling me a racist, as I'm African American myself ) amongst each other to refer to comrades. When we use the word to describe each other or say the word in any other instance, it's okay, but it's politically incorrect for anyone else to use the word, even in the context which we use it in.

Or how about saying son of a ****? Depending on context, this can be regarded as offensive. However, I notice that many people utter the phrase to voice their misfortune. For instance, a gentleman may be oepning up a can of soda which has unknowingly been shaken. Upon opening the can and seeing the soda pour out, the gentleman may be inclined to say "son of a ****", in spite of not calling anyone that.

There's also the matter of choosing to forbid others to participate in certain conversations or use certain words because someone else is offened. From what I've learned in life, just about ANYTHING can offend someone else. I believe you (Mr. Eplar) spoke of being in charge of returns at a convenience store, thus surely you must understand this. People even get offended by the DEVS here, believing that they are out to ruin the game and make certain crowds miserable. Communication being as imperfect as it is, offense is inevitable. Thus, I don't agree on simply forbidding a certain practice solely on the basis that some people might get offended.

Of course, there are rules to this site I assume. Such as upholding the verdict or the devs or mods. I don't agree with this verdict, but have no interest in pursuing the matter (probably without success), thus I suppose I shall agree not to use terms deemed offensive to some.

Toodles.

PS: If anyone disagrees with me, send me a PM and I'll be happy to clarify. This post itself is only midly on topic (since it mentions the manly Isabela ) and I don't wish to encourage potential off topic discussion.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Riona45]

Tinxa wrote...
 I'd like it better if it was a new character and I wonder how are they going to explain her travelling around with Hawke when she was supposed to be at the Pearl playing cards with the warden  (it seems like we get her early in the game.)

Well, it's possible you meet her early in the game, but don't get her as a companion until later.

[FitShaced]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Guys, shemale is a rather offensive term, particularly to some members of our community. Please avoid it in the future.

Shemale is in reference to a pre-op transexual who aspires in the field of pornography. It doesn't compare to certain other words which are actually prohibited in our society. The offense here is similar to calling a non-****/prostitute a ****/prostitute.  Although it's offensive to many to refer to another preo-op transexual as a shemale if she does not meet the above criteria, I don't see how it's offensive to refer to a fictional character as one, seeing as how one can't hurt a fictional character's feelings and that being fictional is an indication that the character doesn't exist.

For that matter, I don't see how words should even be regarded as "offensive" when the message carried with them (which is the purpose of all words) is not always intended to convey offense. In this case, the gentleman used the word in reference to Isabela, for the purpose of conveying the notion that although she was a woman, she still possessed a masculine appearance. Had he come out and said this in the way I phrased it just now, the message would be no different. There is a certain word (which I shall not repeat) which those amongst the African American community use (and don't bother calling me a racist, as I'm African American myself ) amongst each other to refer to comrades. When we use the word to describe each other or say the word in any other instance, it's okay, but it's politically incorrect for anyone else to use the word, even in the context which we use it in.

Or how about saying son of a ****? Depending on context, this can be regarded as offensive. However, I notice that many people utter the phrase to voice their misfortune. For instance, a gentleman may oepning up a can of soda which has unknowingly been shaken. Upon opening the can an seeing the soda pour out, the gentleman may be inclined to say "son of a ****", in spite of not calling anyone that.

There's also the matter of choosing to forbid others to participate in certain conversations or use certain words because someone else is offened. From what I've learned in life, just about ANYTHING can offend someone else. Communication being as imperfect as it is, offense is inevitable. Thus, I don't agree on simply forbidding a certain practice solely on the basis that some people might get offended.

Of course, there are rules to this site I assume. Such as upholding the verdict or the devs or mods. I don't agree with this verdict, but have no interest in pursuing the matter (probably without success), thus I suppose I shall agree not to use terms deemed offensive to some.

Toodles.

PS: If anyone disagrees with me, send me a PM and I'll be happy to clarify. This post itself is only midly on topic (since it mentions the manly Isabela ) and I don't wish to encourage potential off topic discussion.

Who are you trying to impress? This is the internet.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

FitShaced wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Guys, shemale is a rather offensive term, particularly to some members of our community. Please avoid it in the future.

Shemale is in reference to a pre-op transexual who aspires in the field of pornography. It doesn't compare to certain other words which are actually prohibited in our society. The offense here is similar to calling a non-****/prostitute a ****/prostitute.  Although it's offensive to many to refer to another preo-op transexual as a shemale if she does not meet the above criteria, I don't see how it's offensive to refer to a fictional character as one, seeing as how one can't hurt a fictional character's feelings and that being fictional is an indication that the character doesn't exist.

For that matter, I don't see how words should even be regarded as "offensive" when the message carried with them (which is the purpose of all words) is not always intended to convey offense. In this case, the gentleman used the word in reference to Isabela, for the purpose of conveying the notion that although she was a woman, she still possessed a masculine appearance. Had he come out and said this in the way I phrased it just now, the message would be no different. There is a certain word (which I shall not repeat) which those amongst the African American community use (and don't bother calling me a racist, as I'm African American myself ) amongst each other to refer to comrades. When we use the word to describe each other or say the word in any other instance, it's okay, but it's politically incorrect for anyone else to use the word, even in the context which we use it in.

Or how about saying son of a ****? Depending on context, this can be regarded as offensive. However, I notice that many people utter the phrase to voice their misfortune. For instance, a gentleman may oepning up a can of soda which has unknowingly been shaken. Upon opening the can an seeing the soda pour out, the gentleman may be inclined to say "son of a ****", in spite of not calling anyone that.

There's also the matter of choosing to forbid others to participate in certain conversations or use certain words because someone else is offened. From what I've learned in life, just about ANYTHING can offend someone else. Communication being as imperfect as it is, offense is inevitable. Thus, I don't agree on simply forbidding a certain practice solely on the basis that some people might get offended.

Of course, there are rules to this site I assume. Such as upholding the verdict or the devs or mods. I don't agree with this verdict, but have no interest in pursuing the matter (probably without success), thus I suppose I shall agree not to use terms deemed offensive to some.

Toodles.

PS: If anyone disagrees with me, send me a PM and I'll be happy to clarify. This post itself is only midly on topic (since it mentions the manly Isabela ) and I don't wish to encourage potential off topic discussion.

Who are you trying to impress? This is the internet.

I'm not here to impress anyone. Each and every post I make is made entirely for selfish reasons.

[Riona45]

Shavon wrote...


Why wouldn't she be?  And who says she is the leading lady?  Isn't that Cassandra?

I don't see a reason to be calling Cassandra the "leading lady" any more than Isabela.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Blacklash93 wrote...

You think she'll be the bi-option for romances? She was bisexual in Origins, but now that she's DA2's leading lady...

She's not a 'leading lady'. She is the first companion they've revealed that isnt related to Hawke.

[silentassassin264]

Shinian2 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

You think she'll be the bi-option for romances? She was bisexual in Origins, but now that she's DA2's leading lady...

She's not a 'leading lady'. She is the first companion they've revealed that isnt related to Hawke.

But they showed her with male Hawke kissing.  That spells leading lady and doom for f/f option...until now.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

He doesn't need to impress anyone, because he's right. The whole you have to be politically correct so noone gets all butthurt, has to be the most damaging thing I've seen happen in society in a long time. The world isn't butterflies and rainbows, the idea that people need to be coddled to the extreme extent isn't really helpful.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

FitShaced wrote...





I the only one who see's this?

You are absolutely the only person on the face of the earth who sees that.

[Riona45]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

You think she'll be the bi-option for romances? She was bisexual in Origins, but now that she's DA2's leading lady...

She's not a 'leading lady'. She is the first companion they've revealed that isnt related to Hawke.

But they showed her with male Hawke kissing.  That spells leading lady and doom for f/f option...until now.

Surely people don't honestly believe anything that occurs in a trailer is definitely going to happen in their game, no matter what?

Modifié par Riona45, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:37 .

[tmp7704]

Tinxa wrote...

I wonder how are they going to explain her travelling around with Hawke when she was supposed to be at the Pearl playing cards with the warden  (it seems like we get her early in the game.)

She tells the warden she's planning to get the heck out of Ferelden and as far as she can 'very soon' when you speak with her, so she's pretty much gone from Denerim before the Blight gets there/is over. That means roughly she can be available to see Hawke for over nine years out of the ten year timeframe, quite enough i think.

[Shreav]

imported_beer wrote...

Okay, for all those people complaining about her looks, I have one question to ask.

What if Isabella is the way she is as a character because she was not born gorgeous and feminine and perfect looking in every way?

Uh...this is a Bioware game, right?

[Bullets McDeath]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

He doesn't need to impress
anyone, because he's right. The whole you have to be politically correct
so noone gets all butthurt, has to be the most damaging thing I've seen
happen in society in a long time. The world isn't butterflies and
rainbows, the idea that people need to be coddled to the extreme extent
isn't really helpful.

The point is there are more than a few pre- and post-op transexuals on this site, and "shemale" is an offensive term, like calling a normal woman any number of demeaning words that won't get past the filter.

Yes, wow, congratulations, you have not succumbed to the "tyranny" of political correctness. You're still being insensitive and offensive and it is even smarmier to be proud of such behavior.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:40 .

[John Epler]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

He doesn't need to impress
anyone, because he's right. The whole you have to be politically correct
so noone gets all butthurt, has to be the most damaging thing I've seen
happen in society in a long time. The world isn't butterflies and
rainbows, the idea that people need to be coddled to the extreme extent
isn't really helpful.

This isn't a debate. The word is offensive to a segment of the community. I avoided handing out  any bans or warnings because I believe it to be an honest mistake, but I did receive complaints from forum posters, and so I made my post.

I don't think asking people to be respectful and avoid terms that some community members consider hurtful is being unreasonable.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:42 .

[Shreav]

[Guess the Mod has spoken]

Modifié par iShreav, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:44 .

[Spawny]

I think she looks really good in DA2 even if IMO she has this final fantasy'ish look to her lol

[Silentmode]

I'm not sure what people are looking at but I don't see an ugly woman. I'm curious how many of the complainers would actually have a shot with a real life version of Isabela, my guess would be not many. Besides why is Bioware obligated to make every female LI a supermodel, not everyone can be Goth Barbie (aka Morrigan).

Edit: Nevermind me, Imported Beer took the words out of my mouth. Much more eloquently at that.

Modifié par Silentmode, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:50 .

[Herr Uhl]

Shavon wrote...

Well they didn't exactly reveal Leliana as the f/f romance at all, did they? So we can;t really assume anything yet.

Well, she quite clearly swung both ways in DAO, so I think that assumptions are valid.

Edit: Oh, i read that as the opposite. The fact that she is making out with Garret doesn't prove anything.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 27 octobre 2010 - 12:48 .