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[Herr Uhl]

outlaworacle wrote...

Morroian wrote...

To attempt to bring this back on topic. I wonder if her appearance crosses timelines with the events of DAO. Are we going to see her after her appearance in DAO?

There is a potential for continuity conflict, if she indeed flees Ferelden with Hawke & co more or less right after the destruction of Lothering. The Warden is likely to have completed a questline (meaning Lothering was destroyed) before ever going to Denerim and it is fully possible to not encounter her until you are in Denerim for the Landsmeet.

Pretty minor though.

We also know that there will be time-skips. She could visit Denerim during one of those.

[nijnij]

Hi, new on the boards. Just wanna say, please, leave her as she is, I like her with her big chin and small mouth which are in no way masculine. Aren't people sick of all characters in video games looking the same : the Rock for men, Barbie the doll for women ? If I could, I'd make my male PC skinnier (no wonder I always play elf). She's still pretty-looking, so who cares if she has unique features, to me, that actually makes her more interesting (and attractive). I have browsed several times through fan-made skin mods and every character always ends up looking like it's straight out of IMVU or Naruto anyway so I'd rather trust the professionals on this one ; I'm sure modders will get the opportunity to disfigure her and every other character to their liking when the game's out. By the way, how is she "black" ? Do you guies get out of Norway sometimes, lol ?

Modifié par nijnij, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:22 .

[Silentmode]

Morroian wrote...
To attempt to bring this back on topic. I wonder if her appearance crosses timelines with the events of DAO. Are we going to see her after her appearance in DAO?

I'd argue there is a good chance we will be hitching a ride with her to get to Kirkwall so she will probably already of taken care of her business in Denerim by the time we meet her. My guess at least, I have no idea how long it would take for Hawke and co. to traverse Ferelden and get to a ship. Plus there is no definative time that the Warden meets her chronologically other than it happened after leaving Lothering. Not that I know of at least.

Modifié par Silentmode, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:26 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

If every character was perfectly pretty, and aesthetically perfect, sure
some of you may be thrilled, but wouldn't it get boring?

No. Do you think people get bored at various attractive women (usually at night) to fuel their own endevours? Most use these games (as well as movies and television shows) as a way to overlook (or sometimes even escape) the compromises which they have had to (or eventually will) make in life; to ignore the dull and utterly interesting mediocre existence which they've settled for. If we want average and boring, well that's what the real world is for most of the time.

Let's be right upfront here.  Perfect-Kenshin is describing masterbatory aids, imported_beer is talking about beauty.  You're not going to find much common ground.  Isabela, as portrayed in the trailer isn't going to help the majority of people pleasure themselves.  She is, however, very attractive to plenty of people, male and female, in the sense that she is a chick pirate.  What exactly is that story?  Social creatures will have the impulse to get to know her.  Plus, if she is written correctly (and I've got confidence that she will be) she'll retain her undeniable charm from the first game.  Charm attracts people to other people like a first level enchantment spell.  Or a magnet.  It makes a girl a random teenager might not ****** to into a girl you care about enough to smootch in the ruins of the old world order.

As for beauty, if every woman in DA2 were Victoria Secret models, then stand-out beauty would no longer mean anything.  There are hundreds of thousands of technically beautiful women.  but they don't stand out... because they lack an unusual twist of the lips, mole on the cheek, unusual tilt of the eyes that make them stand out as a rarity.

Wait, you serious?

She's not the one that admitted masterbating to a video game.   

[Lord_Anthonior]

She already won my interest with those beautiful yellow eyes...it reminds me of another love I have and that is beyond the fade with the warden. I have to see her personality but since I already loved Morrigan and she has quite a personality I don't think Hawke will have a difficult time with Isabella.

[Saibh]

I think the problem I have with her face isn't that it's ugly, is that it looks odd. Maybe animated it will look more natural, but the shots we have it make it look like she surgically reduced her mouth.

You know what? She looks like she was made in the Sims. The Sims 3, precisely. There's this lip problem all of them have, with have a really defined upper lip and a sort of fuzzier bottom one. They always looks very fleshy, and less a part of the face then they should. Her face looks cartoonish to me. I'd advocate having a wider mouth. It's not the jaw or chin that bothers me, it's how tiny her lips are, and how far up they are on her face.

Modifié par Saibh, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:39 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Herr Uhl wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Morroian wrote...

To attempt to bring this back on topic. I wonder if her appearance crosses timelines with the events of DAO. Are we going to see her after her appearance in DAO?

There is a potential for continuity conflict, if she indeed flees Ferelden with Hawke & co more or less right after the destruction of Lothering. The Warden is likely to have completed a questline (meaning Lothering was destroyed) before ever going to Denerim and it is fully possible to not encounter her until you are in Denerim for the Landsmeet.

Pretty minor though.

We also know that there will be time-skips. She could visit Denerim during one of those.

Good point!  Does Isabela ever say why she is in Denerim?  Any kind of "oh, my ship is in dock for repairs" or "I had to lay low for while" sort of thing?  It would be cool as hell if she was in Denerim because Hawkette sends her there for a DA2 mission.

[Bullets McDeath]

Herr Uhl wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Morroian wrote...

To attempt to bring this back on topic. I wonder if her appearance crosses timelines with the events of DAO. Are we going to see her after her appearance in DAO?

There is a potential for continuity conflict, if she indeed flees Ferelden with Hawke & co more or less right after the destruction of Lothering. The Warden is likely to have completed a questline (meaning Lothering was destroyed) before ever going to Denerim and it is fully possible to not encounter her until you are in Denerim for the Landsmeet.

Pretty minor though.

We also know that there will be time-skips. She could visit Denerim during one of those.

Ah, I didn't think to factor that in. So it probably won't be a problem and even if it is it just a minor blip at worst.

[Tamyn]

Interesting. The new Isabela looks a little like me now in the face... excepting the coloring of course. What's with the yellow eyes though? I thought that was a Morrigan/supernatural creature exclusive feature.

I giggle at the thought of male Hawkes getting Zevran's leftovers...

Shavon wrote...
 Hopefully, they keep the continuity of Isabella's bisexual orientation

That's a rogue class feature, no?

rak72 wrote...
 If she looks unattractive, it is because her proportions are not anything that occur naturaly.

Um... I think you need to get out and look at more people. The US media has done its best to convince people that only one or two basic types of look are attractive. There is a great variety of beauty to be found.

Modifié par Tamyn, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Alexia89]

Isabela will be lending Bethany them clothes

[Lenimph]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Why is this so difficult?!

*snip*

Hot. Period.

This.

I support as well.

 
Some people just need to get their retina's examined... and their lack of a libido in check

[tmp7704]

abat223 wrote...

Isabela had a man body in Origins, by the way

[Fortlowe]

Alexia89 wrote...

Isabela will be lending Bethany them clothes

Now that relationship has possibilities..... SQUEE!!!!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Saibh wrote...

I think the problem I have with her face isn't that it's ugly, is that it looks odd. Maybe animated it will look more natural, but the shots we have it make it look like she surgically reduced her face.

You know what? She looks like she was made in the Sims. The Sims 3, precisely. There's this lip problem all of them have, with have a really defined upper lip and a sort of fuzzier bottom one. They always looks very fleshy, and less a part of the face then they short. Her face looks cartoonish to me. I'd advocate having a wider mouth. It's not the jaw or chin that bothers me, it's how tiny her lips are, and how far up they are on her face.

I can so very see your "odd" point.   I think we're used to lighter faces on DAO/DAA's women.  Isabela is the first real "heavy" face.  I kind of like it though... She has kind of a solid, earthy feel to her.  It's kind of neat and amusing that the ship's captain is earthy, but maybe that's some wild arty allusion.  "The stories earthiest character spends the most time among a very changeable element."

Plus, I think the hair pulled forward and the hair wrap make her appear much more bulky than she might really be.

[Aggie Punbot]

imported_beer wrote...

Okay, for all those people complaining about her looks, I have one question to ask.

What if Isabella is the way she is as a character because she was not born gorgeous and feminine and perfect looking in every way? What if her "man chin' and "bike pump inflated neck" is why she spurned the conventional life, became a bit of a tomboy pirate.

If every character was perfectly pretty, and aesthetically perfect, sure some of you may be thrilled, but wouldn't it get boring? Should there be at least some characters who didn't start off as the perfectly pretty chick but ended up being more beautiful because their little physical imperfections made them even more beautiful as PEOPLE?

For me personally it's not that she's "ugly", it's that she looks absolutely nothing like Isabela from DA:O. Nothing. Not a shred of anything to suggest that they're supposed to be the same person. If a dev hadn't come out and said it, I'd have simply thought she was just a new companion we'd never heard of before.

Also consider the fact that DA2 is supposed to take place before, during and after DA:O. It's like recasting a role in the middle of the movie. First she's played by, oh say, Angelina Jolie. Then in scene two she's Jennifer Garner. Then Jolie. Then Garner. Then Jolie. Then Rosie O'Donnell. Then Jolie. It breaks immersion when you see a character that keeps drastically changing appearance for no real reason ('just because we can' isn't really a good reason in my book but YMMV) in the middle of the story.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:43 .

[Saibh]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I can so very see your "odd" point.   I think we're used to lighter faces on DAO/DAA's women.  Isabela is the first real "heavy" face.  I kind of like it though... She has kind of a solid, earthy feel to her.  It's kind of neat and amusing that the ship's captain is earthy, but maybe that's some wild arty allusion.  "The stories earthiest character spends the most time among a very changeable element."

Plus, I think the hair pulled forward and the hair wrap make her appear much more bulky than she might really be.

Really, it's only the lips. I have no problem with a heavier jaw and chin or brows, but her lips don't look right on her face. Not for being unattractive, but I suppose it's Uncanny Valley. They look like someone else's lips 'Shopped in. Too tiny for her face. I think having thinner, wider lips might do her good to look less unnatural.

[nijnij]

Saibh wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I can so very see your "odd" point.   I think we're used to lighter faces on DAO/DAA's women.  Isabela is the first real "heavy" face.  I kind of like it though... She has kind of a solid, earthy feel to her.  It's kind of neat and amusing that the ship's captain is earthy, but maybe that's some wild arty allusion.  "The stories earthiest character spends the most time among a very changeable element."

Plus, I think the hair pulled forward and the hair wrap make her appear much more bulky than she might really be.

Really, it's only the lips. I have no problem with a heavier jaw and chin or brows, but her lips don't look right on her face. Not for being unattractive, but I suppose it's Uncanny Valley. They look like someone else's lips 'Shopped in. Too tiny for her face. I think having thinner, wider lips might do her good to look less unnatural.

On the contrary, I think lips that are full without being wide are good for giving a rebellious look. drew Barrymore's a fine example.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...


Let's be right upfront here.  Perfect-Kenshin is describing masterbatory aids, imported_beer is talking about beauty.

We're describing the same thing. I used the somewhat vague masturbation analogy as a reference to what most men (or rather, the target audience) perceive in fictional character beauty. Obviously, if I got to know someone beyond what a fictional character can inform, this could easily be an instance of beauty transcending physical appearance. However, in the midst of people who don't even exist (not to mention are quite shallow, as this Isabela seems to be), one's paradigm is likely to be much different.

Isabela, as portrayed in the trailer isn't going to help the majority of people pleasure themselves.

Heavens no!

She is, however, very attractive to plenty of people, male and female, in the sense that she is a chick pirate.
What exactly is that story?

Oh I have no doubt that she could be an interesting character who may be worth getting to understand. I wouldn't consider Wynne attractive, but found her an interesting character nonetheless.

As for beauty, if every woman in DA2 were Victoria Secret models, then stand-out beauty would no longer mean anything.

Given that this is a video game, I'm inclined to disagree. If anything, it'd merely create more complaints (because we definately don't have enough of those) on there not being enough romances.

She's not the one that admitted masterbating to a video game.   

Your cruel japes will be remembered, ser. If you hear sobbing later, that's me crying myself to sleep.

But seriously, I never said anything about masturbating to a video game (although at a younger age, I wouldn't put it past myself). My point was that sex sells. People go into a movie theater and want the heroine to be attractive not because they intend to masturbate in the movie theater. People watch advertisements and like to see attractive women in the body spray commercials (in spite of the products being a bonified rip off), but don't masturbate between commercials.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:47 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Also consider the fact that DA2 is supposed to take place before, during and after DA:O. It's like recasting a role in the middle of the movie. First she's played by, oh say, Angelina Jolie. Then in scene two she's Jennifer Garner. Then Jolie. Then Garner. Then Jolie. Then Rosie O'Donnell. Then Jolie. It breaks immersion when you see a character that keeps drastically changing appearance for no real reason ('just because we can' isn't really a good reason in my book but YMMV) in the middle of the story.

Unless you're planning on playing DA:O simultaneous with DA2 and constantly intercutting between the two AND staying camped in the Pearl in Denerim while you're at it, the character design changes exactly once--between DA:O and DA2.  Personally, I don't really care.  I thought her model was pretty forgettable in Origins and didn't even remember what she was supposed to look like.  So when I was told pirate chick was Isabela, I thought, "Oh.  OK, awesome.  Badass pirate chick."

[Shieara]

Wtb a mod to remove the weird chin piercing or whatever it is. Kinda looks like a gigantic zit. That and a pair of pants and I might be able to actually use her in my party.

[NKKKK]

I think new Isabella looks good, but she should have been a new character.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

bullion-rouge wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
As for beauty, if every woman in DA2 were Victoria Secret models, then stand-out beauty would no longer mean anything.  There are hundreds of thousands of technically beautiful women.  but they don't stand out... because they lack an unusual twist of the lips, mole on the cheek, unusual tilt of the eyes that make them stand out as a rarity.

Preach it Brother/Sister!!

Good on you.

To those who don't find Isabela hawt, fair enough. But many of us do. So it is kind of silly to expect that every chick should appeal to you alone. Let others have their aesthetic preference as well. We will keep our fingers crossed that you get some doe eyed, oval faced, immense breasted chick.

I went to another forum asking people to rate a pic of Isabella and most people were giving her a 1/10. It may just be mostly the people here who find her smexy.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:50 .

[stormhit]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

He doesn't need to impress anyone, because he's right. The whole you have to be politically correct so noone gets all butthurt, has to be the most damaging thing I've seen happen in society in a long time. The world isn't butterflies and rainbows, the idea that people need to be coddled to the extreme extent isn't really helpful.

Please stop forcing your juvenile and undeveloped political views on us every chance you get. 

Thanks.