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[Saibh]

Tamyn wrote...

Siabh's pic  here is a better example then. It proves the same point.

They also can't do too much modification of the facial features or the face would be unrecognizable. I don't think they'd change the size of her eyes, nose and mouth. Maybe if she was some unknown model, but not Drew Barrymore. I can see in the pic I posted that they didn't mess with the "imperfect" asymmetry of Drew's nose and eyes.

I think Drew Barrymore is pretty, but that's not what I'm saying. It looks right on her face because it's natural. Even if her facial features to me were unattractive, that's not the point. It's that, on Isabela, they don't look natural. They look cosmetically altered, somehow. It's not that they're small and full, it's that they don't fit correctly on her face--I can't stress that enough.

It's what sets me off. She looks like someone messed a bit too much with the CC sliders and ended up with Uncanny Valley. You know in ME2, after you take a drink at the asari Matriarch Aethyta's bar, she looks...uh..."prettier"? And by "prettier" she looks like a plastic surgery freak? They went "full lips are pretty and small noses are pretty and defined cheekbones are pretty so let's add them together!" and they came out with that.

[revan11exile]

scyphozoa wrote...

soundchaser721 wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

The priiiiiize...

You know, Isabela kisses Hawke again in the trailer. I know she's not a forced romance...but I'm wondering if Hawke's LI can interact in that way with him during cutscenes...

What I want to know is if you slept with isabella in origins, will she mention it to hawke? I think that would make for some pretty interesting conversations if you choose to romance her...

Especially if you play as an Amell in DAO. She would be your cousin's(?) lover...

:happy:That is a very good point because my Mage Amell tap that and he and Hawke are cousins so i heard:D

[tmp7704]

Tamyn wrote...

Siabh's pic  here is a better example then. It proves the same point.

Yup. I wouldn't say they're small, though -- if you trace a line from the corner up, it still ends around where the eye iris is, which is about normal. In any case she isn't suffering from the same placement and/or nose size issue in-game characters appear to have.

[Tamyn]

Saibh wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Siabh's pic  here is a better example then. It proves the same point.

They also can't do too much modification of the facial features or the face would be unrecognizable. I don't think they'd change the size of her eyes, nose and mouth. Maybe if she was some unknown model, but not Drew Barrymore. I can see in the pic I posted that they didn't mess with the "imperfect" asymmetry of Drew's nose and eyes.

 that's not what I'm saying.

I was responding to tmp actually. I have to see Isabela in action before I can say if she looks unbelievably inhuman or not. All the DA 2 characters look equally cartoony to me at this point.

Siabh wrote...
 You know in ME2, after you take a drink at the asari Matriarch Aethyta's bar, she looks...uh..."prettier"? And by "prettier" she looks like a plastic surgery freak?

Haha. I agree that the "beer goggles" Aethyta wasn't an improvement. I think I mostly objected with the hideous pink-on-blue coloring though.

[the_one_54321]

imported_beer wrote...
There may be others to your liking. There may be others that are more 'conventional"
in their proportions.

That's entirely possible. But I have no idea what they're going to be like, just yet. Could be they look like female Hawke. Her chin/cheeks were not really of the drawn in slender variety either, but she looked great. But then there's Carver who looks like his chin is going to explode. Who knows where this chin/cheek trend is going to take things? All I have to discuss things on right now are the images that we have right now.

imported_beer wrote...
That said, all this talk about how a woman's lips are off, or her jaw is a wide does make me think that most men talking like this are very odd. But I can't speak of other women.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Come on. When you remove the boobs and hair from the pic, those being the only things that are a dead giveaway that she's a she, it may as well be a portrait of a man with pretty eyes and lips. Mabye it's not the lips. Maybe it's not the chin. I can't really say with complete certainty. But something is very wrong here.

edit: rephrased for proper clarity

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:53 .

[TJPags]

imported_beer wrote...

TJPags wrote...
My problem with her is that, IMO, she looks NOTHING like the character we met in DAO, yet she's supposed to be the same person.  Change the hairstyle, the clothes, even hair color, that's okay - but she looks nothing like the Isabela we saw in the Pearl.  And frankly, IMO, that's kind of silly.

Again, your Hawke did not see her at the Pearl. So from a gaming perspective, your PC is meeting her for the first time. Thus, I am puzzled why what the grey warden saw when HE/SHE went to the Pearl matters.

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

[Maverick827]

TJPags wrote...

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

That depends, are we talking about real the life Drew Berrymore, or a character in a video game making the jump into a radically different art style?

[Anacronian Stryx]

TJPags wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

TJPags wrote...
My problem with her is that, IMO, she looks NOTHING like the character we met in DAO, yet she's supposed to be the same person.  Change the hairstyle, the clothes, even hair color, that's okay - but she looks nothing like the Isabela we saw in the Pearl.  And frankly, IMO, that's kind of silly.

Again, your Hawke did not see her at the Pearl. So from a gaming perspective, your PC is meeting her for the first time. Thus, I am puzzled why what the grey warden saw when HE/SHE went to the Pearl matters.

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

The equivalent here would be : If you saw Drew Barrymore in a movie would you then expect her to look the exact same in another movie?

[Withidread]

Refer to the scene in the trailer, just after the cliff scene where she's about to embrace Hawke. I think she looks much more "natural" in that scene than the preceeding one. (approx. 00:50 in the timeline)



I'd put up a screenshot, but I'm not in a position to do so at the moment.

[HighMoon]

Well, Miranda suffered the same problems with a large jaw and all that, and looks off on certain angles... but she still managed to look feminine. I think the same will happen with Isabela.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:54 .

[TJPags]

Maverick827 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

That depends, are we talking about real the life Drew Berrymore, or a character in a video game making the jump into a radically different art style?

Okay, let me answer you this way:

There's been speculation that we may see Nate Howe or Alistair or Morrigan or some other DAO/DAA companions in DA2.

If NONE of them look REMOTELY like they looked in prior games, is that logical?

[the_one_54321]

imported_beer wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Come on. When you cut off everything that is distinctly feminine about her, it may as well be a portrait of a man with pretty eyes and lips. Mabye it's not the lips. Maybe it's not the chin. I can't really say with complete certainty. But something is very wrong here.

There you go again.

You ignore completely the possibility of what her character could be like. You ignore completely that maybe she is a tomboyish sort and not a conventionally pretty lass and these looks are better suited to her. You also judge her from the very limited media we have without knowing how lighting and shadowing effect her features. AND you also insult everyone who have proclaimed in this thread that they find her attractive.

How am I supposed to have a discussion with you, then?

But all I have to talk about concerning her so far are the pictures. I haven't heard her say a single line yet!
And I already said in the last post that it might be the lighting and that the other, less focused images of her didn't seem to have quite the same problem.

[TJPags]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

TJPags wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

TJPags wrote...
My problem with her is that, IMO, she looks NOTHING like the character we met in DAO, yet she's supposed to be the same person.  Change the hairstyle, the clothes, even hair color, that's okay - but she looks nothing like the Isabela we saw in the Pearl.  And frankly, IMO, that's kind of silly.

Again, your Hawke did not see her at the Pearl. So from a gaming perspective, your PC is meeting her for the first time. Thus, I am puzzled why what the grey warden saw when HE/SHE went to the Pearl matters.

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

The equivalent here would be : If you saw Drew Barrymore in a movie would you then expect her to look the exact same in another movie?

No, the equivalent would be, if you see her in a movie, and then see her in the sequel, would you expect her to look the same - or at least similar?

[Merced256]

some personal issues coming out in this thread i think

[Anacronian Stryx]

TJPags wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

TJPags wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

TJPags wrote...
My problem with her is that, IMO, she looks NOTHING like the character we met in DAO, yet she's supposed to be the same person.  Change the hairstyle, the clothes, even hair color, that's okay - but she looks nothing like the Isabela we saw in the Pearl.  And frankly, IMO, that's kind of silly.

Again, your Hawke did not see her at the Pearl. So from a gaming perspective, your PC is meeting her for the first time. Thus, I am puzzled why what the grey warden saw when HE/SHE went to the Pearl matters.

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

The equivalent here would be : If you saw Drew Barrymore in a movie would you then expect her to look the exact same in another movie?

No, the equivalent would be, if you see her in a movie, and then see her in the sequel, would you expect her to look the same - or at least similar?

Well you see if the second movie completely changed looks (lets just say the first movie was a live action movie and the sequel was a cartoon) then yeah i would expect her to change her appearance - strangely it would be odd if she didn't when everything else have changed.

[Tamyn]

the_one_54321 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Come on. When you remove the boobs and hair from the pic, those being the only things that are a dead giveaway that she's a she, it may as well be a portrait of a man with pretty eyes and lips. Mabye it's not the lips. Maybe it's not the chin. I can't really say with complete certainty. But something is very wrong here.

The only markedly masculine thing I see is that the lighting makes her look like she has some light facial hair. But in the other image of her that is not noticeable.

I remember all the complaints about Morrigan's face in the forums before DA:O came out. I was one of the critics. Her lower lip was too big, her eyes were too small and squinty, one guy said she had facial hair. When the game came out the criticisms disappeared. Voice and presentation count for a lot.

Modifié par Tamyn, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:03 .

[the_one_54321]

imported_beer wrote...
So, I am confused as to why it breaks immersion or continuity.

The fact that he has seen her before makes it difficult to put that image out of his head. If he'd never seen her at the Pearl then he probably wouldn't care. I can sympathize. Though I think most of the redesign is pretty awesome, especially since it improves drastically on the cookie cutter body models, it's going to be a bit jarring thinking of these two face models as the same person. Obviously, it won't make a bit of difference to my character, but I'm the one staring at the screen.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:03 .

[Morrigans God son]

Does this mean we'll see Anders as well? At the end of Awakening. Didn't it say he travelled with a certain female captin.

[NKKKK]

Lol it's like Terrence Howard/Don Cheadle all over again.

[TJPags]

imported_beer wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Because, umm, *I* saw her.  YOU saw her.  We all know that's not the same woman.

If I see Drew Barrymore at the store, and you see her at the gym, is she not the same woman anymore?

I meant more like: From a role playing perspective, this would be the first time your PC laid eyes on Isabela and wouldn't know what she looked like.

So, I am confused as to why it breaks immersion or continuity. It is different in movies because you as a person are not playing the protagonist. You are the outsider looking in. But from a gaming perspective, you are the hero. And this is a woman you have never seen before.

Okay, if you want to rationalize it that way, that's okay.

Me, I view it as them taking a known character, making her look completely and totally different, and expecting us not to notice or care.  Think Star Trek Klingons.

While I get that a new system or platform or whatever it's called can do different things, would just have made a LOT more sense to me to make Isabela in DA2 look somewhat like Isabela in DAO.

[Maverick827]

TJPags wrote...

If NONE of them look REMOTELY like they looked in prior games, is that logical?

Did I just blow your mind?

[TJPags]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Does this mean we'll see Anders as well? At the end of Awakening. Didn't it say he travelled with a certain female captin.

Maybe we will.

He might even be recognizable.