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[ShrinkingFish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

I imagine you'll have to wait and witness what niche she ends up serving in the game's plotlines... perhaps it turns out that it is actually really important that it is the same Isabela.

Maybe during Hawke's flight from Lothering, he ends up in Denerim where one of the few ships that still haven't left port is Isabela.

Then Hawke has the opportunity to pass a Coercion check to initiate an orgy to earn passage to the Free Marches.

Yeah. Pretty sure an orgy would be an acceptable trade good for passage on her ship. Or perhaps you could cheat at cards and pull it off.

After all, those are the only two things she ever does, right? I mean besides fighting people and throwing knives.

[Harid]

I have no idea why people are mad about a bit character being changed between sequels, she wasn't exactly the pinnacle of beauty in DA:O in the first place, nor was the character integral to the plot, and people are wigging out bigger than the Qunari change which was a much bigger deal IMHO.



I will say that they will probably have to change her face, though. Western standards of beauty are a ****, aren't they. They leave her how she is, people will have jokes past the game release, and they change her, and they compromise their vision. It's like Cole McGrath from Infamous all over again (though that was something to complain about.)

[upsettingshorts]

yukidama wrote...
Sorry, but I find this ridiculous. Sure it's fun to go all toolset plastic surgery when characters look weird, but this is hardly the worst thing we could be stuck with. Especially considering how many console games (not just DAO) get played where you have to play with characters the way they are... I think we'll all survive.

That would be the worst suicide note ever:  "I can't live in a world where Bioware's love interest options do not conform to my personal standards of beauty.  Goodbye cruel fictional world."

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Yeah. Pretty sure an orgy would be an acceptable trade good for passage on her ship. Or perhaps you could
cheat at cards and pull it off.

After all, those are the only two things she ever does, right? I mean besides fighting people and throwing knives.

That's what the forums say.  Her sexuality pretty much defines her entire character according to what I've been reading!  They must be right, they have so much insight into characters they had no part in writing.  I wish I had their talent for precognition.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:13 .

[ShrinkingFish]

yukidama wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
If you looked too closely at the initial threads after Morrigan was first revealed, for instance, there was much railing against her giant lips, huge jaw, uncanny valley face, boyish figure, etc. etc., and you would have thought she was the ugliest thing to cross the internet. People like to be melodramatic, particularly about the inconsequential. {smilie}

Thankfully we had the Toolset in order to fix these things about characters that some of us find unattractive. Since there is no guarantee that this will be an option for DA2, some people are a little more concerned that they may be stuck with having to use a character they find unattractive. Oh well, life goes on and all that rot.

Sorry, but I find this ridiculous. Sure it's fun to go all toolset plastic surgery when characters look weird, but this is hardly the worst thing we could be stuck with. Especially considering how many console games (not just DAO) get played where you have to play with characters the way they are... I think we'll all survive.

I don't know... I think I might die.

[Randy1012]

TS2Aggie wrote...

May I respectfully ask why you didn't just make a wholly new character instead of completely redesigning Isabela?

Good rule of thumb is to click on the 'BioWare' logo beneath applicable threads to see if a BioWare dev has already answered questions you might have. Chances are someone else has already beaten you to them.

Whenever I've had any questions about DA2, half the time they've already been answered by at least one of the developers. The rest of the time it's usually a bunch of them goofing around, so hey, it's win/win either way.

Modifié par Randy1083, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:12 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That would be the worst suicide note ever:  "I can't live in a world where Bioware's love interest options do not conform to my personal standards of beauty.  Goodbye cruel fictional world.

Well, if you're just going to ridicule my current draft then I'll just have to come up with something better.

That's what the forums say.

And the forums are always right... right?...

Right!?

[Bruddajakka]

Well at least she doesn't look like a re-skinned version of Bella anymore. Though now it has me wondering about her age since she appeared to be a fair bit older in DAO.

[Destructo-Bot]

David Gaider wrote...
There's more nit-picking over the particulars of her appearance, perhaps, but that's par for the course for a female love interest. If you looked too closely at the initial threads after Morrigan was first revealed, for instance, there was much railing against her giant lips, huge jaw, uncanny valley face, boyish figure, etc. etc., and you would have thought she was the ugliest thing to cross the internet. People like to be melodramatic, particularly about the inconsequential.

The faces I've seen so far have veered much further into uncanny valley territory. It's not that they are different or a certain style so much as they stir that gut feeling that something is wrong with the face. Morrigan had tiny eyes and too plush lips, consequentially I used a mod that tweaked her appearance toward human a bit more. Same for fish-lips Leliana. Most of the other characters didn't set off that off-putting feeling, though Zevran definitely looked out of place, almost like a cartoon caricature next to the other companions. But he didn't look wrong so I let him be. Sten, Wynne, Alistair, and Oghren all had looks and style of their own without setting off the warning alarms.

For those curious, these are screens of the mods I used:
http://social.biowar.../242442/7975054
http://social.biowar.../242442/4794977

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:17 .

[David Gaider]

Harid wrote...
I will say that they will probably have to change her face, though. Western standards of beauty are a ****, aren't they. They leave her how she is, people will have jokes past the game release, and they change her, and they compromise their vision. It's like Cole McGrath from Infamous all over again (though that was something to complain about.)

I doubt we'll change her appearance any more than we changed Morrigan's, beyond tweaks we'd already intended. Considering that one's tastes in appearance are pretty subjective, there's no way we could change her to anything that would be universally acceptable-- especially with regards to a romanceable character that's going to get this level of scrutiny.

Personally, I think she looks great, though I could come up with a laundry list of her flaws the same way I could any actress or model I see in a magazine. Doesn't change the fact that she's hella sexy.

[upsettingshorts]

There's a picture on Fark.com used for such instances:

[Fortlowe]

David Gaider wrote...

Harid wrote...
I will say that they will probably have to change her face, though. Western standards of beauty are a ****, aren't they. They leave her how she is, people will have jokes past the game release, and they change her, and they compromise their vision. It's like Cole McGrath from Infamous all over again (though that was something to complain about.)

I doubt we'll change her appearance any more than we changed Morrigan's, beyond tweaks we'd already intended. Considering that one's tastes in appearance are pretty subjective, there's no way we could change her to anything that would be universally acceptable-- especially with regards to a romanceable character that's going to get this level of scrutiny.

Personally, I think she looks great, though I could come up with a laundry list of her flaws the same way I could any actress or model I see in a magazine. Doesn't change the fact that she's hella sexy.

Just please, pleeeease don't change her figure! Those hips are the treasure of Thedas, I tell yah!

[mellifera]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Sorry, but I find this ridiculous. Sure it's fun to go all toolset plastic surgery when characters look weird, but this is hardly the worst thing we could be stuck with. Especially considering how many console games (not just DAO) get played where you have to play with characters the way they are... I think we'll all survive.

That would be the worst suicide note ever:  "I can't live in a world where Bioware's love interest options do not conform to my personal standards of beauty.  Goodbye cruel fictional world."

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Yeah. Pretty sure an orgy would be an acceptable trade good for passage on her ship. Or perhaps you could
cheat at cards and pull it off.

After all, those are the only two things she ever does, right? I mean besides fighting people and throwing knives.

That's what the forums say.  Her sexuality pretty much defines her entire character according to what I've been reading!  They must be right, they have so much insight into characters they had no part in writing.  I wish I had their talent for precognition.

Oh, you

[Celticon]

Does she have a face morph built off the character creator, or does she have her own individual mesh/texture (i.e. ME2 Miranda, Jacob)?

[ShrinkingFish]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
There's more nit-picking over the particulars of her appearance, perhaps, but that's par for the course for a female love interest. If you looked too closely at the initial threads after Morrigan was first revealed, for instance, there was much railing against her giant lips, huge jaw, uncanny valley face, boyish figure, etc. etc., and you would have thought she was the ugliest thing to cross the internet. People like to be melodramatic, particularly about the inconsequential.

The faces I've seen so far have veered much further into uncanny valley territory. It's not that they are different or a certain style so much as they stir that gut feeling that something is wrong with the face. Morrigan had tiny eyes and too plush lips, consequentially I used a mod that tweaked her appearance toward human a bit more. Same for fish-lips Leliana. Most of the other characters didn't set off that off-putting feeling, though Zevran definitely looked out of place, almost like a cartoon caricature next to the other companions. But he didn't look wrong so I let him be. Sten, Wynne, Alistair, and Oghren all had looks and style of their own without setting off the warning alarms.

For those curious, these are screens of the mods I used:
http://social.biowar.../242442/7975054
http://social.biowar.../242442/4794977

Interestingly enough, I felt those mods made them look weird. Whereas their original looks were rather well done. No gutstirring feelings or nothing. Actually I went... "Wow... those are pretty pixles"

[ShrinkingFish]

Fortlowe wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Harid wrote...
I will say that they will probably have to change her face, though. Western standards of beauty are a ****, aren't they. They leave her how she is, people will have jokes past the game release, and they change her, and they compromise their vision. It's like Cole McGrath from Infamous all over again (though that was something to complain about.)

I doubt we'll change her appearance any more than we changed Morrigan's, beyond tweaks we'd already intended. Considering that one's tastes in appearance are pretty subjective, there's no way we could change her to anything that would be universally acceptable-- especially with regards to a romanceable character that's going to get this level of scrutiny.

Personally, I think she looks great, though I could come up with a laundry list of her flaws the same way I could any actress or model I see in a magazine. Doesn't change the fact that she's hella sexy.

Just please, pleeeease don't change her figure! Those hips are the treasure of Thedas, I tell yah!

I second... or rather, I third this motion.

[Harid]

David Gaider wrote...

Harid wrote...
I will say that they will probably have to change her face, though. Western standards of beauty are a ****, aren't they. They leave her how she is, people will have jokes past the game release, and they change her, and they compromise their vision. It's like Cole McGrath from Infamous all over again (though that was something to complain about.)

I doubt we'll change her appearance any more than we changed Morrigan's, beyond tweaks we'd already intended. Considering that one's tastes in appearance are pretty subjective, there's no way we could change her to anything that would be universally acceptable-- especially with regards to a romanceable character that's going to get this level of scrutiny.

Personally, I think she looks great, though I could come up with a laundry list of her flaws the same way I could any actress or model I see in a magazine. Doesn't change the fact that she's hella sexy.

Good to know you won't comprimise your vision.

[Randy1012]

Fortlowe wrote...

Just please, pleeeease don't change her figure! Those hips are the treasure of Thedas, I tell yah!

I just hope that we get to go onto Isabela's ship so Hawke can sneak into her quarters. Heavy risk, but the priiii--ack! I've been spending too much time down in the ME forums. 

[ShrinkingFish]

Randy1083 wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Just please, pleeeease don't change her figure! Those hips are the treasure of Thedas, I tell yah!

I just hope that we get to go onto Isabela's ship so Hawke can sneak into her quarters. Heavy risk, but the priiii--ack! I've been spending too much time down in the ME forums. 

The avatar makes it difficult to resist.

[Aggie Punbot]

David Gaider wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
May I respectfully ask why you didn't just make a wholly new character instead of completely redesigning Isabela?

Sure. I'd suggest looking at one of my earlier posts in this thread where I answer exactly that.

Okay, I'm sorry but that makes little sense to me. I thought you said that you liked Isabela. If you liked her so much, why did you completely change her appearance? Just to make sure we're clear on this: I do not think the new Isabela is ugly. In fact, if she was a completely new character I think she'd be great. But she looks absolutely nothing like Isabela from Dragon Age: Origins. Nothing. Completely altering a character's features doesn't really strike me as something one would do to a character that they liked. It kind of sounds more like you liked the concept of her and not the actual character herself.

Tweaking a character's appearance I can see, but I can't actually make out one facial feature that New Isabela shares with classic Isbela. It sort of makes it difficult to actually feel the new game, you know? It just takes one out of the role playing element of the game. With DA:O you could jump right in and start playing it because there was no pre-existing canon or continuity that needed to be followed but that's not the case with DA2. This just seems like such an unnecessary change. *shrugs*

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:25 .

[upsettingshorts]

Another of the Bioware devs brought up comic book artists who change how Spiderman looks all the time. It's artistic license. Kinda like how in Star Trek the Klingons changed from dudes who looked kinda like humans with cunning facial hair, to forehead-ridged Space Vikings.



It took them years to bother to come up with a reason to explain that one within the narrative.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Greed1914]

Randy1083 wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Just please, pleeeease don't change her figure! Those hips are the treasure of Thedas, I tell yah!

I just hope that we get to go onto Isabela's ship so Hawke can sneak into her quarters. Heavy risk, but the priiii--ack! I've been spending too much time down in the ME forums. 

That was good. 

[dan107]

David Gaider wrote...

There's more nit-picking over the particulars of her appearance, perhaps, but that's par for the course for a female love interest. If you looked too closely at the initial threads after Morrigan was first revealed, for instance, there was much railing against her giant lips, huge jaw, uncanny valley face, boyish figure, etc. etc., and you would have thought she was the ugliest thing to cross the internet.

Morrigan did have the shoulders and hands of a linebacker though. That's probably tied to the fact that you used the same skeleton for males and females, but that point still stands. She was an interesting and compelling character nonetheless, but looking more feminine would not have hurt her.

David Gaider wrote...
Considering that one's tastes in appearance are pretty subjective, there's no way we could change her to anything that would be universally acceptable-- especially with regards to a romanceable character that's going to get this level of scrutiny.

Why do you keep saying that? We do have a near universally accepted standard of beauty. Base the next one on a Victoria's Secret model. Seriously. Just try it once. I'm sure you'll get a few people (mostly women) complaining that she's unrealistic, but I can't imagine too many normal men calling an underwear model ugly.

Modifié par dan107, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:29 .

[ShrinkingFish]

TS2Aggie wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
May I respectfully ask why you didn't just make a wholly new character instead of completely redesigning Isabela?

Sure. I'd suggest looking at one of my earlier posts in this thread where I answer exactly that.

Okay, I'm sorry but that makes little sense to me. I thought you said that you liked Isabela. If you liked her so much, why did you completely change her appearance?

Changing her appearance doesn't change her character.... appearance does not equal identity.

Plus... I can see some simularities between the two models... Not sure what you're missing...

[dan107]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Changing her appearance doesn't change her character.... appearance does not equal identity.

What "identity"? She was a minor 2 bit character whose only claim to fame was that she would screw just about anyone that wanted her. Why pick that, of all things, as the starting point for a romance befuddles me as well.