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[ShrinkingFish]

Addai67 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Technically, she'd screw someone with sufficient (75) Coercion, hence - someone who was 3/4ths of the way to maxing out the darn skill. Which is to say, if you believe in the conventions of how roleplaying games actually work, she doesn't sleep with "just anybody" but someone who knows the right things to say.

Which some folk don't seem to be taking into account.

I mentioned the Persuade early on, or maybe it was in the skank thread, I'm losing track.  She does also decline if the partner objects.

Nevertheless once the Warden is "in," she takes all... comers.  Three, four, men, women.  So her standards aren't that high.

Whatever, to each her own.  I just don't like her much so I admit I don't cut her slack.

To be fair, Leliana is a babe and Zevran is a former lover... not a huge stretch.

[Francis Lacuna]

Saibh wrote...

Really, it's only the lips. I have no problem with a heavier jaw and chin or brows, but her lips don't look right on her face. Not for being unattractive, but I suppose it's Uncanny Valley. They look like someone else's lips 'Shopped in. Too tiny for her face. I think having thinner, wider lips might do her good to look less unnatural. 

Actually there was a bug with her mouth shape not playing nicely with specific animations (such as the smirk) that was resolved but unfortunately did not make the trailer. So the pinched look has since been fixed. She looks much better throwing that dagger though!

As for her "fuller" face...I wanted to give her a little meat on her bones to match her huskier frame. She's gotta be built to support those well-endowed assets.........I mean....Can you imagine wearing that much gold around your neck? 


EDIT and apparently I don't have a bioware tag attached to this account. I'll have to fix this tomorrow

Modifié par SonFrancisco, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:46 .

[David Gaider]

dan107 wrote...
Well why not just try it once and see how it goes? I honestly think you would get a lot fewer people calling her ugly. Maybe she won't be the hottest thing in the world to everyone, but she'll be attractive enough to almost every heterosexual male.

Sounds like she'd hit your preferences, sure.

I'm not sure why we would do that, however, except to supposedly calm the people who are calling Isabela ugly. Which I already told you they would do anyhow, no matter how Victoria-esque she looked, because that's what people do-- especially to models.

So I think we're okay with making our characters look interesting, rather than striving for some perfection to appease people who are mostly complaining about nothing anyhow. And I'll leave it at that, sorry.

[upsettingshorts]

David Gaider wrote...
Sounds like she'd hit your preferences, sure.

I'm not sure why we would do that, however, except to supposedly calm the people who are calling Isabela ugly. Which I already told you they would do anyhow, no matter how Victoria-esque she looked, because that's what people do-- especially to models.

So I think we're okay with making our characters look interesting, rather than striving for some perfection to appease people who are mostly complaining about nothing anyhow. And I'll leave it at that, sorry.

On the internet I've seen Bar Refaeli described as fat, Marisa Miller dismissed as bland, Candice Swanepoel panned for being skinny and Miranda Kerr labeled childlike.

There is simply no end to the amount of utterly foolish nitpicking and objectifying on the 'net. None.

Anyway, if it wasn't clear - I think Isabela looks fine. Looking forward to meeting her again.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:47 .

[ShrinkingFish]

dan107 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
I'd call her ugly...

If only to prove a point.

Yes, I get it. There are people like you who either have a problem with the way that women are portrayed in magazines, or genuinely find skinny women unattractive. I'm not disputing that. Are you, however, disagreeing with the statement that the overwhelming majority of heterosexual males find underwear models quite appealing sexually?

Yep.

[mellifera]

SonFrancisco wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Really, it's only the lips. I have no problem with a heavier jaw and chin or brows, but her lips don't look right on her face. Not for being unattractive, but I suppose it's Uncanny Valley. They look like someone else's lips 'Shopped in. Too tiny for her face. I think having thinner, wider lips might do her good to look less unnatural. 

Actually there was a bug with her mouth shape not playing nicely with specific animations (such as the smirk) that was resolved but unfortunately did not make the trailer. So the pinched look has since been fixed. She looks much better throwing that dagger though!

As for her "fuller" face...I wanted to give her a little meat on her bones to match her huskier frame. She's gotta be built to support those well-endowed assets.........I mean....Can you imagine wearing that much gold around your neck? 


EDIT and apparently I don't have a bioware tag attached to this account. I'll have to fix this tomorrow

So she is a bit thicker (don't read this as fat because that isn't what I mean, lol)? I thought I may have just been me imagining things, but maybe that's why her body shape didn't make me roll my eyes like that one Bethany picture.

[dan107]

David Gaider wrote...
I'm not sure why we would do that, however, except to supposedly calm the people who are calling Isabela ugly.

Following the general standard of beauty makes the romance an easier sell to more people. You'll have to work less hard as a writer to make her compelling.

Which I already told you they would do anyhow, no matter how Victoria-esque she looked, because that's what people do-- especially to models.

I don't see how you can state that so definitively without having done that. At this point a Victoria-esque model would be an interesting an unusual exception for a Bio game.

So I think we're okay with making our characters look interesting, rather than striving for some perfection to appease people who are mostly complaining about nothing anyhow. And I'll leave it at that, sorry.

Fair enough.

[Merced256]

personally i dislike most underwear models, doesn't mean i like that though.

[dan107]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

dan107 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
I'd call her ugly...

If only to prove a point.

Yes, I get it. There are people like you who either have a problem with the way that women are portrayed in magazines, or genuinely find skinny women unattractive. I'm not disputing that. Are you, however, disagreeing with the statement that the overwhelming majority of heterosexual males find underwear models quite appealing sexually?

Yep.

Well, sales numbers are on my side my friend. Unless you can explain why models look so similar and sell products so well other than their sex appeal, you don't have much ground to stand on.

Modifié par dan107, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:53 .

[Fortlowe]

SonFrancisco wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Really, it's only the lips. I have no problem with a heavier jaw and chin or brows, but her lips don't look right on her face. Not for being unattractive, but I suppose it's Uncanny Valley. They look like someone else's lips 'Shopped in. Too tiny for her face. I think having thinner, wider lips might do her good to look less unnatural. 

Actually there was a bug with her mouth shape not playing nicely with specific animations (such as the smirk) that was resolved but unfortunately did not make the trailer. So the pinched look has since been fixed. She looks much better throwing that dagger though!

As for her "fuller" face...I wanted to give her a little meat on her bones to match her huskier frame. She's gotta be built to support those well-endowed assets.........I mean....Can you imagine wearing that much gold around your neck? 


EDIT and apparently I don't have a bioware tag attached to this account. I'll have to fix this tomorrow

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[Riona45]

dan107 wrote...

Following the general standard of beauty makes the romance an easier sell to more people. You'll have to work less hard as a writer to make her compelling.

That's an interesting thing for you to say.  Sounds like you really sat down and thought long and hard about it.

[dan107]

Riona45 wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Following the general standard of beauty makes the romance an easier sell to more people. You'll have to work less hard as a writer to make her compelling.

That's an interesting thing for you to say.  Sounds like you really sat down and thought long and hard about it.

What are you talking about?

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
Well, sales numbers are on my side my friend. Unless you can explain why models look so similar and sell products so well other than their sex appeal, you don't have much ground to stand on.

Models look similar?  Since when?  Gisele Bundchen looks nothing like Adriana Lima who looks nothing like Heidi Klum.  Skinny with big boobs does not count. 

Victoria's Secret has a massive marketing campaign based upon the notion that their models set the standard for beauty, but that doesn't make it so, despite how resoundingly successful that campaign is. 

Riona45 wrote...
That's an interesting thing for you to say.  Sounds like you really sat down and thought long and hard about it.

I thought that deliberately writing someone that fits the authors standards of ideal beauty was one of the symptoms of a Mary Sue, personally.  But I could be wrong.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:57 .

[Fortlowe]

dan107 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Following the general standard of beauty makes the romance an easier sell to more people. You'll have to work less hard as a writer to make her compelling.

That's an interesting thing for you to say.  Sounds like you really sat down and thought long and hard about it.

What are you talking about?

DERP

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
Well, sales numbers are on my side my friend. Unless you can explain why models look so similar and sell products so well other than their sex appeal, you don't have much ground to stand on.

Models look similar?  Since when?  Gisele Bundchen looks nothing like Adriana Lima.  Skinny with big boobs does not count. 

Victoria's Secret has a massive marketing campaign based upon the notion that their models set the standard for beauty, but that doesn't make it so, despite how resoundingly successful that campaign is. 

Then why is the campaign so resoundingly successful?

[Randy1012]

And, honestly, I'm pretty sure most people out there who enjoy looking at lingerie models don't spend a lot of time looking at their faces.

[Spartansfan8888]

Simple solutions



If you think she's hott- hit that



If you think she's a butterface- hit that from the back



If you don't like her- Pick another companion or have mom/sis find you a nice girl

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
Then why is the campaign so resoundingly successful?

Consistency and exposure.  They've been staying on point for over a decade now and they spend a ton of money doing it.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:58 .

[Riona45]

dan107 wrote...
What are you talking about?

I was complimenting you on the effort you're putting into what you're saying.  Very impressive.

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
Then why is the campaign so resoundingly successful?

Consistency and exposure.  They've been staying on point for over a decade now and they spend a ton of money doing it.

And if they were consistent and unappealing they would be out of business, no?

[dan107]

Riona45 wrote...

dan107 wrote...
What are you talking about?

I was complimenting you on the effort you're putting into what you're saying.  Very impressive.

You have a problem not with what I'm saying, but with the effort I put into it? Gotta hand it to you, that's one of the strangest arguements I've heard.

[GodWood]

So shes the Isabela?

Thats ****ing brilliant!

I've been planning out my first Hawke and she perfectly fits the type of LI I was hoping for him to have.

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
And if they were consistent and unappealing they would be out of business, no?

Of course, but my point was never to claim that they don't employ attractive models.  The point was there is no consistent universal standard of beauty, and if there was, Victoria's Secret models would not be that standard.

They're more of an example of a triumph in marketing.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:01 .

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
And if they were consistent and unappealing they would be out of business, no?

Of course, but my point was never to claim that they don't employ attractive models.  The point was there is no consistent universal standard of beauty, and if there was, Victoria's Secret models would not be that standard.

But the resounding success of their campaign, which you listed to support you point, actually contradicts it. I think we're going in circles here though.

[EldaJW]

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