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[Riona45]

dan107 wrote...

You have a problem not with what I'm saying, but with the effort I put into it? Gotta hand it to you, that's one of the strangest arguements I've heard.

Argument?  I just told you it was a compliment.

[Harid]

Honestly, I'd like romance options outside your band of followers. I think if I were in those times, I would not want to be asked if this armor makes me look fat while I am cutting off the head of a Darkspawn, I would not want to be asked why I am looking at that enemy Templar's awesome rack in the middle of an important conversation, I would not like to be asked "How come you never consult me?" when I never consulted you before, or more to the point, it's sticking your pen in the 'company' ink, and that generally. . .never ends well.



I just have trouble believing you can dump someone, and then not only do they keep following you but they never bring it up? Never question why it went wrong? Never try to break up your following relationships? And all the crazy things we humans do to each other, this never happens in games.

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
But the resounding success of their campaign, which you listed to support you point, actually contradicts it. I think we're going in circles here though.

Nah, public relations marketing doesn't work like that.  Part of the reason it works is we have less control over our reaction to things than we think we do. 

Furthermore, they employ enough different models that they can appeal to a broad segment of the population - men and women included - whereas in the case of Isabela its just one fictional character.  They'd have to pick one model, and then the arguments would change from "I do/don't like how Isabela is designed" to "They should have used Doutzen Kroes instead of Rosie Huntington-Whitely."  

It'd be more of the same.  It's a dead end topic because nothing is more subjective than beauty.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:06 .

[dan107]

Riona45 wrote...

dan107 wrote...

You have a problem not with what I'm saying, but with the effort I put into it? Gotta hand it to you, that's one of the strangest arguements I've heard.

Argument?  I just told you it was a compliment.

I thought you were being sarcastic. Never mind then.

[Aedan_Cousland]

So far I'm not a fan of the new Isabela.

The outfit is an improvement over the one she was wearing in DA:O, as it makes her look more like a pirate than just any old rogue. But her appearance has been retconned, and generally I'm not a fan of retcons. Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. The facial features also look nothing like the character from DA:O. With that in mind I hope other than Flemeth that Isabela is the last character from DA:O to make an appearance in DA2.  

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
 They'd have to pick one model, and then the arguments would change from "I do/don't like how Isabela is designed" to "They should have used Doutzen Kroes instead of Rosie Huntington-Whitely."

Then the arguement would be between hot and hotter, not hot and ugly. Big difference there.

It'd be more of the same.  It's a dead end topic because nothing is more subjective than beauty.

Yes and no. While everyone has a different ideal, there are certain body and facial features that the majority of men will rate more attractive than others. (For instance a broad jaw is almost universally percieved as a masculine trait, and is thus unattractive in females). Google it, there have been a lot of studies done on the subject. An underwear model would not be perfect to everyone, but would be hot enough to most.

Modifié par dan107, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:11 .

[Riona45]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. 

Actually, if you take a look at the very first post, you'll see the original Isabela's face.  She does indeed have dark skin and hair.

[nightcobra]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

So far I'm not a fan of the new Isabela.

The outfit is an improvement over the one she was wearing in DA:O, as it makes her look more like a pirate than just any old rogue. But her appearance has been retconned, and generally I'm not a fan of retcons. Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. The facial features also look nothing like the character from DA:O. With that in mind I hope other than Flemeth that Isabela is the last character from DA:O to make an appearance in DA2.  

she looked like this in origins, nothing fair skinned or red haired in here.

[mellifera]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

So far I'm not a fan of the new Isabela.

The outfit is an improvement over the one she was wearing in DA:O, as it makes her look more like a pirate than just any old rogue. But her appearance has been retconned, and generally I'm not a fan of retcons. Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. The facial features also look nothing like the character from DA:O. With that in mind I hope other than Flemeth that Isabela is the last character from DA:O to make an appearance in DA2.  

Except she never had fair skin and red hair? Maybe it is my computer but she always looked dark skinned with dark brown hair to me. It is more evident when you remove her from the poorly lit environment we only ever saw her in.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Riona45 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. 

Actually, if you take a look at the very first post, you'll see the original Isabela's face.  She does indeed have dark skin and hair.

But she doesn't look that way in The Pearl.

IMO if they were going to bring Isabela back they should have at least made her look similar to how the character looked in the Pearl. Otherwise they should have just made the priate woman in DA2 a completely different character from Isabela.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:20 .

[nightcobra]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. 

Actually, if you take a look at the very first post, you'll see the original Isabela's face.  She does indeed have dark skin and hair.

But she doesn't look that way in The Pearl.

lighting my good friend, lighting

[Alyka]

The only thing I pointed out in the gameplay trailer thread was the size of her lips in the one screenshot.They don't look as big as in DA:O or the wallpaper picture.For me,that is a facial feature that stuck out.I associated it with her character (her being a lusty woman and big lips are sensual).

Am I mad about the change? No.I think it's an improvement and she's pretty.

I see people are saying that she needs pants.There may be a reason why she doesn't wear any; better movement in combat.She's a duelist and speed is important (take MMA fighter's for instance,some of them wear shorts with slits on the sides so they can kick better).Or maybe she refuses to wear them for "ease of access".lol I kid.

Modifié par Alyka, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:27 .

[mellifera]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. 

Actually, if you take a look at the very first post, you'll see the original Isabela's face.  She does indeed have dark skin and hair.

But she doesn't look that way in The Pearl.

IMO if they were going to bring Isabela back they should have at least made her look similar to how the character looked in the Pearl. Otherwise they should have just made the priate woman in DA2 a completely different character from Isabela.

That is her exact head from the game, it'd be pretty impossible for her NOT to look like that, unless you have a mod installed that makes her a redhead.

[Spawny]

Alyka wrote...

I see people are saying that she needs pants.There may be a reason why she doesn't wear any.Better movement in combat.She's a duelist and speed is important (take MMA fighter's for instance,some of them wear shorts with slits on the sides so they can kick better).Or maybe she refuses to wear them for "ease of access".lol I kid.

I agree. I know when I used to do kickboxing anything with slits up the side made it so much easier to belt out the moves so I don't understand all the hooharr over her dress lol
And apart from that, hey...it's a fantasy game..I don't see what is wrong with a little...y'know..FANTASY!!

[Ryzaki]

Also I have to agree with the pants. As long as that outfit's optional I really don't care.

[ladyofpayne]

O la-la! I love Isy in DA! I hope she will LI in F Howke.

[ShrinkingFish]

dan107 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

dan107 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
I'd call her ugly...

If only to prove a point.

Yes, I get it. There are people like you who either have a problem with the way that women are portrayed in magazines, or genuinely find skinny women unattractive. I'm not disputing that. Are you, however, disagreeing with the statement that the overwhelming majority of heterosexual males find underwear models quite appealing sexually?

Yep.

Well, sales numbers are on my side my friend. Unless you can explain why models look so similar and sell products so well other than their sex appeal, you don't have much ground to stand on.

Sex appeal and advertisement sex appeal are two seperate spheres. More than enough ground for me to stand on here.

What a man will find attractive or appealing in a magazine or advertisement is different than what that same man will find attractive on a tv screen which is different than what that same man will find attractive in real life. Each sphere has very different standards of beauty.

Video games have their own sphere, as these women occupy a completely different mode of existance... they are pixels. As such standards of beauty that apply in other spheres do not necessarily apply in this field.

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Alyka]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

So far I'm not a fan of the new Isabela.

The outfit is an improvement over the one she was wearing in DA:O, as it makes her look more like a pirate than just any old rogue. But her appearance has been retconned, and generally I'm not a fan of retcons. Maybe she was intended to have dark hair and tan skin in DA:O, but in game she appears to have red hair and fair skin. Now she doesn't. The facial features also look nothing like the character from DA:O. With that in mind I hope other than Flemeth that Isabela is the last character from DA:O to make an appearance in DA2.  

she looked like this in origins, nothing fair skinned or red haired in here.

Correct.The color would be referred to as "Chestnut Brown" which is brown with red highlights,not "red" per se.
(I can't believe I just got technical.lol) But there you have it.

[mellifera]

filaminstrel wrote...

Eh, whenever I see her underwear while she's flipping around I can't help but feel that it was a calculated marketing ploy aimed at teenage boys.

As long as her face isn't showing lol amirite?! I dunno. My initial reaction was put on some pants, but really all that's showing is the leg between her boots and her unders. Not sure it'd be significantly different if she were doing those kicks while wearing leggings anyway, still be all crotchular areas in the face.

Modifié par yukidama, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:50 .

[dan107]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
What a man will find attractive or appealing in a magazine or advertisement is different than what that same man will find attractive on a tv screen which is different than what that same man will find attractive in real life. Each sphere has very different standards of beauty.

So you're telling me that the men that oogle underwear models in magazines would not find them attractive in real life? Don't buy that.

Video games have their own sphere, as these women occupy a completely different mode of existance... they are pixels.

This arguement is absurd. Models in a magazine are merely ink on a piece of paper, and if you really want to break it down all these images are nothing more than wavelengths of light causing a chemical reaction on your retina. The medium has nothing to do with their attractiveness.

[ShrinkingFish]

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:55 .

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Eh, whenever I see her underwear while she's flipping around I can't help but feel that it was a calculated marketing ploy aimed at teenage boys.

As long as her face isn't showing lol amirite?! I dunno. My initial reaction was put on some pants, but really all that's showing is the leg between her boots and her bootyshorts. Not sure it'd be significantly different if she were doing those kicks while wearing leggings anyway, still be all crotchular areas in the face.

I will lol so hard if Hawke's rivarly path has him/her telling Isabela to put some pants on.