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[ShrinkingFish]

dan107 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Because the enemies wont be hitting her at all...

Why not? Everybody gets a turn with Isabela.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk

[Destructo-Bot]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Destructo-Bot wrote...

I'm not a fan of the direction of the faces. What I see seems to be moving farther away from somewhat realistic looking faces, and now we are getting some kind of weird caricature. Isabela and Cassandra are good examples.

I just don't think they look right. Cartoony instead of artistic.

Weird. I'd describe the new looks as being more realistic than previously seen in many video games and far less cartoony.

Compare Alistair to Cassandra. Or Duncan, Anora, Ser Cauthrien, or Cailan to Isabela. The former ones looked like people, the new ones look like clowns.

My opinion of course.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:37 .

[Ryzaki]

...Dude what? I said nothing about noticing bodies. I just didn't want her ass shoved in my face. Particulary as a female player.

Miranda does that REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter if you do her loyalty mission or not and if you don't she ends up dead.

And you think TIM's stupid enough to get *both* Shepard and Miranda hunting him down? Miranda who knows quite a bit about Cerberus? And Shepard who has proven himself time and time again willing to go to great lengths to defend his crew? TIM may be a manipulative bastard. But he's a *smart* manipulative bastard. I'm pretty sure he knows when to cut his losses.

She's not a Femme Fatale because of that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:34 .

[FiveStarGA]

Who did they design her after, Khloe Kardashian? lol Could have atleast picked Kim.

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

...You mean other than the fact that you can get cut and blood could get on your wounds?

...He was fighting an OGRE by himself. Of course he got owned.

And Duncan got owned by a...some sort of darkspawn general. I don't know what it was for certain.

Isabela has no magical barriers. She could slip up, the person could *gasp* be better than her! That happens you know! and she'd be screwed. Following he logic of "well I don't need protection because it'll never happen to me!" is ridculous.

As a pirate captain she's meet strong people for sure but she is most likely going to face people much stronger than she met following around Hawke.

(Frankly I think that's why she was so unwilling to fight the Warden. Nothing to be learned my foot).

That said I find it hard to take a character that left half her outfit behind seriously. Then again that's just me.

Honestly... all these arguments are just as easily applied to a heavily armored character.

A person with a big shield and lots of protective armor will still be killed by someone *gasp* better than them. A heavily armored person can slip up. It happens. And they'd be screwed.

I mean. I just disagree. There are plenty of world wide combat theories that value manueverability over protection. Some that value protection over manueverability. And others that mix the two.

Hard to say which theory is best.

[Ryzaki]

Eh. That's fine. I just can't take her seriously with that outfit. Unless it's really well explained by her backstory or I can give her some armor.

And if not as long as I can avoid recuriting her/not have her along I could care less about changing armor. I'll miss out on an interesting character but meh. 

Though you have to admit the heavily armored person wouldn't be killed as easily by a stray arror or spell. The person wouldn't even have to be better than them. Just hit the right places but it'll be far less than someone wearing clothing.

(And what pray tell would she do against a bunch of enemy archers? Ninja them to death?)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:40 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Dude what? I said nothing about noticing bodies. I just didn't want her ass shoved in my face. Particulary as a female player.

Miranda does that REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter if you do her loyalty mission or not and if you don't she ends up dead.

And you think TIM's stupid enough to get *both* Shepard and Miranda hunting him down? Miranda who knows quite a bit about Cerberus? And Shepard who has proven himself time and time again willing to go to great lengths to defend his crew? TIM may be a manipulative bastard. But he's a *smart* manipulative bastard. I'm pretty sure he knows when to cut his losses.

She's not a Femme Fatale because of that.

I believe you misinterpreted the themes surrounding the characters. The Illusive Man and Miranda both. Bioware reps and artists have even refered to her as a Femme Fatale character. I just didn't want to bring that up.

But regardless. This is not the thread or the forum to be discussing Miranda in. So let's just stop.

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Fishy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh. That's fine. I just can't take her seriously with that outfit. Unless it's really well explained by her backstory or I can give her some armor.

And if not as long as I can avoid recuriting her/not have her along I could care less about changing armor. I'll miss out on an interesting character but meh. 

i have to admit .. Has a man .. The first thing i noticed was her underwear
Especialy during that pose vs the qunari.

Modifié par Suprez30, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Dude what? I said nothing about noticing bodies. I just didn't want her ass shoved in my face. Particulary as a female player.

Miranda does that REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter if you do her loyalty mission or not and if you don't she ends up dead.

And you think TIM's stupid enough to get *both* Shepard and Miranda hunting him down? Miranda who knows quite a bit about Cerberus? And Shepard who has proven himself time and time again willing to go to great lengths to defend his crew? TIM may be a manipulative bastard. But he's a *smart* manipulative bastard. I'm pretty sure he knows when to cut his losses.

She's not a Femme Fatale because of that.

I believe you misinterpreted the themes surrounding the characters. The Illusive Man and Miranda both. Bioware reps and artists have even refered to her as a Femme Fatale character. I just didn't want to bring that up.

But regardless. This is not the thread or the forum to be discussing Miranda in. So let's just stop.

Miranda is said to represent af femme fatale but not once in my ME games has she actually fit the description other than her outfit.That said you're right this isn't the right thread. I love how you said that before giving me times she was actually a FF though. :innocent:  

Anyways they need to fix Isabela's mouth. It doesn't look right.

Old complaint I know but...urgh.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:42 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Suprez30 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh. That's fine. I just can't take her seriously with that outfit. Unless it's really well explained by her backstory or I can give her some armor.

And if not as long as I can avoid recuriting her/not have her along I could care less about changing armor. I'll miss out on an interesting character but meh. 

i have to admit .. Has a man .. The first thing i noticed was her underwear
Especialy during that pose vs the qunari.

And, as a man. I have to say I didn't notice her underwear or any aspect of her body other than "there it is" until people in this thread pointed it out to me.

[Fishy]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh. That's fine. I just can't take her seriously with that outfit. Unless it's really well explained by her backstory or I can give her some armor.

And if not as long as I can avoid recuriting her/not have her along I could care less about changing armor. I'll miss out on an interesting character but meh. 

i have to admit .. Has a man .. The first thing i noticed was her underwear
Especialy during that pose vs the qunari.

And, as a man. I have to say I didn't notice her underwear or any aspect of her body other than "there it is" until people in this thread pointed it out to me.

hmm.
So what you noticed?

Maybe i'm really a perv deep inside.

Modifié par Suprez30, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:43 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Dude what? I said nothing about noticing bodies. I just didn't want her ass shoved in my face. Particulary as a female player.

Miranda does that REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter if you do her loyalty mission or not and if you don't she ends up dead.

And you think TIM's stupid enough to get *both* Shepard and Miranda hunting him down? Miranda who knows quite a bit about Cerberus? And Shepard who has proven himself time and time again willing to go to great lengths to defend his crew? TIM may be a manipulative bastard. But he's a *smart* manipulative bastard. I'm pretty sure he knows when to cut his losses.

She's not a Femme Fatale because of that.

I believe you misinterpreted the themes surrounding the characters. The Illusive Man and Miranda both. Bioware reps and artists have even refered to her as a Femme Fatale character. I just didn't want to bring that up.

But regardless. This is not the thread or the forum to be discussing Miranda in. So let's just stop.

Miranda is said to represent af femme fatale but not once in my ME games has she actually fit the description other than her outfit.That said you're right this isn't the right thread. I love how you said that before giving me times she was actually a FF though. :innocent:  

Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

Because none of those reasons are supported by canon.

Miranda isn't loyal to Cerberus for family. She's loyal to Cerberus because she believes in what they're trying to accomplish. Did you miss her convos or something? 

She's beautiful and built to draw me in but she feels tortured over it because her father designed her that way.

And how is her relationship dangerous for para shep? Other than the whole TIM betrayal? 

The only femme fatale in ME is the vamp Morinth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:49 .

[aznsoisauce]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I've not facepalmed this hard in years.

Thank you, Isabela thread.

But wait! There's more!

I had some fun with that celebrity face double website.


I feel a bit old remembering when Cindy Crawford was considered the most beautiful woman on the planet.
I was getting results like Tricia Helfer, Angelina Jolie, Leelee Sobieski, and Kiera Knightley -- although, Kiera's face is pretty man-ish.

Then again...

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

Because none of those reasons are supported by canon.

The only femme fatale in ME is the vamp Morinth.

But all the reasons I gave are in game examples... Every one of them. Thus supported by canon.

And while Morinth is a Femme Fatale (and a good one) she is certainly not the only one.

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

Because none of those reasons are supported by canon.

The only femme fatale in ME is the vamp Morinth.

But all the reasons I gave are in game examples... Every one of them. Thus supported by canon.

And while Morinth is a Femme Fatale (and a good one) she is certainly not the only one.

And I said why they weren't above. She's not loyal to Cerberus for family but because she (believed) in what they were doing (the advancement of humanity). They also helped her get away from her father (something that she makes clear she would've done on her own). She's not overly happy about the "gifts" her father gave her and has low-self esteem as a result (the whole I'm perfect blah blah is just a shield, a defense, much like Jack's cursing and antagonism). She once again...how is she a femme fatale? 

Her relationship with either a renegade or paragon (or did you forget paragons can choose to save the base and renegades destroy it? ) has nothing to do with her trying to seduce him. (in fact Shep has to go out of his way to romance her). And once you choose not to the option never comes up again.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:53 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

Miranda isn't loyal to Cerberus for family. She's loyal to Cerberus because she believes in what they're trying to accomplish. Did you miss her convos or something?

Did you miss the convos?

Cerberus was the only organization that could protect her family... Sure, she believed in their goals, but she trusts them because of what they did for her sister and for her. She does not see that her sister is just another card for the Illusive Man to play... the Illusive Man is too good of a liar for her to see through him.

She trusts Shepard for the same reasons. He helped her with her family... It is kind of a huge part of her character and backstory.

But this is still not the place to discuss this!!

Do you want to meet up in a ME thread somewhere?

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

Miranda isn't loyal to Cerberus for family. She's loyal to Cerberus because she believes in what they're trying to accomplish. Did you miss her convos or something?

Did you miss the convos?

Cerberus was the only organization that could protect her family... Sure, she believed in their goals, but she trusts them because of what they did for her sister and for her. She does not see that her sister is just another card for the Illusive Man to play... the Illusive Man is too good of a liar for her to see through him.

She trusts Shepard for the same reasons. He helped her with her family... It is kind of a huge part of her character and backstory.

But this is still not the place to discuss this!!

Do you want to meet up in a ME thread somewhere?

The Miranda thread would be as good a place as any.

So..I'll see you there.

anyways. As long as there's nice looking armors I will be content.

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

She's beautiful and built to draw me in but she feels tortured over it because her father designed her that way.

And how is her relationship dangerous for para shep? Other than the whole TIM betrayal? 

Ugg... it is difficult to address your arguments when they don't appear in their completed forms right away

Anyways.

It doesn't have to be dangerous in any other way... she is being manipulated and used by the Illusive Man to get to Shepard in this instance. Femme Fatale's do not have to be the controllers in order to be Femme Fatales... They can be tools that are used by others. In this case, the Illusive Man is using her. This is enough of a danger for her to be a Femme Fatale.

And she can feel tortured about it all she wants. There were Femme Fatales who are tortured by their looks before her and there will be more after.

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

She's beautiful and built to draw me in but she feels tortured over it because her father designed her that way.

And how is her relationship dangerous for para shep? Other than the whole TIM betrayal? 

Ugg... it is difficult to address your arguments when they don't appear in their completed forms right away

Anyways.

It doesn't have to be dangerous in any other way... she is being manipulated and used by the Illusive Man to get to Shepard in this instance. Femme Fatale's do not have to be the controllers in order to be Femme Fatales... They can be tools that are used by others. In this case, the Illusive Man is using her. This is enough of a danger for her to be a Femme Fatale.

And she can feel tortured about it all she wants. There were Femme Fatales who are tortured by their looks before her and there will be more after.

Dude. Miri thread. Go. Now.

Femme Fatales are however based on the whole seducing men thing. Miri does not do that! Also...since when was a femme fatale not fully aware of her actions?  If she's being used she isn't a femme fatale. She's just a damsel in distress. (Yes I know negative connations doesn't make them any less true. i'm not saying she's defenseless but in such a situation...). If she's being forced to seduce the pc...she's romance either a male or female shepard. Just sayin'.

I brought up Shep's gender because Miri's dialogue only changes during the romance. She treats a female and male character exactly. the. same. She's not trying to seduce or trick you.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Leonia]

So when will we be able to buy Isabela's boots in the Bioware Store?

[Kreid]

So it was Isabella, well that's cool.

For me though, if she's the "main" female LI (assuming such exists) like I think Morrigan was in DA:O (because she was a very prominent character, appeared in advertising etc...) I'm not digging her look much, neither in the blur trailer neither in-game, I'm sure she'll have a good personality but I might start looking into other potential female LI's.

Nice to see some characters from origins returning, sure they aren't main ones but it gives a kind of sense of cohesion to the world.

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Oh please. I gave you reasons, instances and examples. You just dismissed them out of hand.

She's beautiful and built to draw me in but she feels tortured over it because her father designed her that way.

And how is her relationship dangerous for para shep? Other than the whole TIM betrayal? 

Ugg... it is difficult to address your arguments when they don't appear in their completed forms right away

Anyways.

It doesn't have to be dangerous in any other way... she is being manipulated and used by the Illusive Man to get to Shepard in this instance. Femme Fatale's do not have to be the controllers in order to be Femme Fatales... They can be tools that are used by others. In this case, the Illusive Man is using her. This is enough of a danger for her to be a Femme Fatale.

And she can feel tortured about it all she wants. There were Femme Fatales who are tortured by their looks before her and there will be more after.

Dude. Miri thread. Go. Now.

Femme Fatales are however based on the whole seducing men thing. Miri does not do that! Also...since when was a femme fatale not fully aware of her actions?  If she's being used she isn't a femme fatale. She's just a damsel in distress. (Yes I know negative connations doesn't make them any less true. i'm not saying she's defenseless but in such a situation...). If she's being forced to seduce the pc...she's romance either a male or female shepard. Just sayin'.

I brought up Shep's gender because Miri's dialogue only changes during the romance. She treats a female and male character exactly. the. same. She's not trying to seduce or trick you.

I'm all over the other thread. Sorry bout this slip. Let's reserve all discussion for there.