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[Ryzaki]

Karlojey wrote...

Guys guys, not even DA:O characters were that attractive but we STILL fell in-love with them. Who's to say we won't fall in-love with the new Isabela?
We may not fall in-love with her as an LI but we may love her personality. Plus, David [Gaider] did say she was an optional companion. So we can choose to leave her if we really think she sucks.

Wait she is! Whoot! I knew it! The Bi option is always optional!

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

TMcGee92127 wrote...

However, you have pulled only one character from DAO into DA2, one that everyone knows well, and completely changed it..

Have you forgotten about Flemeth?

Everyone forgot about Flemeth...

You two forget Flemeth's a shapeshifter? 

And you forgot that Shapeshifters cannot change the appearance of their human form.

[Ryzaki]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

TMcGee92127 wrote...

However, you have pulled only one character from DAO into DA2, one that everyone knows well, and completely changed it..

Have you forgotten about Flemeth?

Everyone forgot about Flemeth...

You two forget Flemeth's a shapeshifter? 

And you forgot that Shapeshifters cannot change the appearance of their human form.

Right so Morrigan = Flemeth.

...That's good to know.

Seriously dude. Flemeth is leagues beyond Morrigan.

Besides didn't Gaider already say Flemeth could change her human form if she wished? 

[ShrinkingFish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

TMcGee92127 wrote...

However, you have pulled only one character from DAO into DA2, one that everyone knows well, and completely changed it..

Have you forgotten about Flemeth?

Everyone forgot about Flemeth...

You two forget Flemeth's a shapeshifter? 

And you forgot that Shapeshifters cannot change the appearance of their human form.

Right so Morrigan = Flemeth.

...That's good to know.

Seriously dude. Flemeth is leagues beyond Morrigan.

Besides didn't Gaider already say Flemeth could change her human form if she wished? 

Flemeth is a dragon anyways. Not really human at all. So whatever.

[nightcobra]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

TMcGee92127 wrote...

However, you have pulled only one character from DAO into DA2, one that everyone knows well, and completely changed it..

Have you forgotten about Flemeth?

Everyone forgot about Flemeth...

You two forget Flemeth's a shapeshifter? 

And you forgot that Shapeshifters cannot change the appearance of their human form.

morrigan said that she herself can't do it, that doesn't mean flemmeth isn't capable to.

[nijnij]

David Gaider wrote...

dan107 wrote...
Well why not just try it once and see how it goes? I honestly think you would get a lot fewer people calling her ugly. Maybe she won't be the hottest thing in the world to everyone, but she'll be attractive enough to almost every heterosexual male.

Sounds like she'd hit your preferences, sure.

I'm not sure why we would do that, however, except to supposedly calm the people who are calling Isabela ugly. Which I already told you they would do anyhow, no matter how Victoria-esque she looked, because that's what people do-- especially to models.

So I think we're okay with making our characters look interesting, rather than striving for some perfection to appease people who are mostly complaining about nothing anyhow. And I'll leave it at that, sorry.

Amen. Please, don't change her looks. Now that the trailer's been published, I already identify her as Isabella in my little mind, and any further changes to her appearance would be just another retcon to me.  For those who want the model look, Cassandra already has it apparently, so I don't see what's to complain about. Isabela looks fine with her chubby face and little rebellious grin.

If you listened to gamers' requests all the time, every RPG would be a pornographic version of DBZ. I think it's great that you guies spend time on the forums to have a taste of what SOME people think (a vast majority of gamers don't post on forums ; I'm new myself), in order to OPTIONALLY reconsider what you're doing, but in the end, I think artistic sensibility should prevail. If Radiohead only listened to fans, they would have made five Pablo Honeys, and if gamers were only given what they know or already like, we'd be playing "Super Mario 26, the return of the Phantom of Bowser's Red Neighbour" instead of Dragon Age.

[ShrinkingFish]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

TMcGee92127 wrote...

However, you have pulled only one character from DAO into DA2, one that everyone knows well, and completely changed it..

Have you forgotten about Flemeth?

Everyone forgot about Flemeth...

You two forget Flemeth's a shapeshifter? 

And you forgot that Shapeshifters cannot change the appearance of their human form.

morrigan said that she herself can't do it, that doesn't mean flemmeth isn't capable to.

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

[Xewaka]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she's a centuries old hag with untold powers? The fact that she made the rules, so she can screw them?

[Herr Uhl]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she taught them to Morrigan?

Flemeth taught her all that Morrigan knows, not all that Flemeth knows.

[ShrinkingFish]

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she's a centuries old hag with untold powers? The fact that she made the rules, so she can screw them?

Who says she made the rules? Did she create magic?

[Xewaka]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she's a centuries old hag with untold powers? The fact that she made the rules, so she can screw them?

Who says she made the rules? Did she create magic?

She taught magic to Morrigan, thus she did made the rules Morrigan follows when casting.

[ShrinkingFish]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she taught them to Morrigan?

Flemeth taught her all that Morrigan knows, not all that Flemeth knows.

That is a pretty good point. Still. Just chaulking the character redesign up to "Oh, she's a shapeshifter, she can look however she wants" is idiotic especially when confronted with an entire world aesthetic overhall. The Darkspawn look different, Isabela looks different, Qunari look different.... they aren't shapeshifters though....

[nightcobra]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

http://dragonage.wik..._Rules_of_Magic

here's the known limitations of magic

no teleportation 
no body transfer to the fade (doable but at tremendous costs)
no immortality

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:01 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she's a centuries old hag with untold powers? The fact that she made the rules, so she can screw them?

Who says she made the rules? Did she create magic?

She taught magic to Morrigan, thus she did made the rules Morrigan follows when casting.

Eh, whatever. It doesn't matter.

Point is not everyone who is getting an aesthetic overhaul is a shapeshifter. So that excuse is null and void.

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:02 .

[nightcobra]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she's a centuries old hag with untold powers? The fact that she made the rules, so she can screw them?

Who says she made the rules? Did she create magic?

She taught magic to Morrigan, thus she did made the rules Morrigan follows when casting.

Eh, whatever. It doesn't matter.

Point is not everyone who is getting an overhaul is a shapeshifter. So that excuse is null and void.

a better excuse then: they look better than in the previous game.

[Maconbar]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she taught them to Morrigan?

Flemeth taught her all that Morrigan knows, not all that Flemeth knows.

That is a pretty good point. Still. Just chaulking the character redesign up to "Oh, she's a shapeshifter, she can look however she wants" is idiotic especially when confronted with an entire world aesthetic overhall. The Darkspawn look different, Isabela looks different, Qunari look different.... they aren't shapeshifters though....

Except that D. Gaider has said that Flemeth had her reasons for appearing the way she did to the Warden.

[ShrinkingFish]

Maconbar wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she taught them to Morrigan?

Flemeth taught her all that Morrigan knows, not all that Flemeth knows.

That is a pretty good point. Still. Just chaulking the character redesign up to "Oh, she's a shapeshifter, she can look however she wants" is idiotic especially when confronted with an entire world aesthetic overhall. The Darkspawn look different, Isabela looks different, Qunari look different.... they aren't shapeshifters though....

Except that D. Gaider has said that Flemeth had her reasons for appearing the way she did to the Warden.

Yeah... because Flemeth isn't human. She chose to appear as human... Both models are old women... they just look slightly different. It is an aesthetic choice... a purposeful change that is not backed by story... it doesn't have to be. It isn't necessary for it to be. The change to Flemeth and the change to Isabela came from the exact same place.... its just that no one can rationalize the change in Isabela as easily so they get all up in arms about it.

[Herr Uhl]

Well, the Flemeth face looks pretty similar, she mainly changed her clothes and got a haircut.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I think it's funny that people are still arguing about a redesign of Flemeth when she's a freakin' Fade spirit that posesses different bodies, one of which most PCs likely killed in DA:O. She got a new body from a mage that didn't have control of their grasp on the Fade, it's that easy to explain?

[aaniadyen]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I think it's funny that people are still arguing about a redesign of Flemeth when she's a freakin' Fade spirit that posesses different bodies, one of which most PCs likely killed in DA:O. She got a new body from a mage that didn't have control of their grasp on the Fade, it's that easy to explain?

Treating your own speculation like it's confirmed fact is dumb.

[Spawny]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I think it's funny that people are still arguing about a redesign of Flemeth when she's a freakin' Fade spirit that posesses different bodies, one of which most PCs likely killed in DA:O. She got a new body from a mage that didn't have control of their grasp on the Fade, it's that easy to explain?

The witch hunter DLC only raises more questions about Flemeth so no one really knows for sure what she is but it makes for good guessing games in the forums

But this thread is getting a lot of derailment from ME ref's to now Flemeth. So what were we saying about Isabela again? *rumages back through the pages*

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

aaniadyen wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I think it's funny that people are still arguing about a redesign of Flemeth when she's a freakin' Fade spirit that posesses different bodies, one of which most PCs likely killed in DA:O. She got a new body from a mage that didn't have control of their grasp on the Fade, it's that easy to explain?

Treating your own speculation like it's confirmed fact is dumb.

Hey I'm just going by the game lore in DA:O. What are you going by? And don't go around calling people dumb and jumping to your own assumptions, you'll make more friends in life by being nice.

[Maconbar]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

She explained the concept of how the magic functions. The function of the magic does not allow for these types of changes. As such Flemeth would be ruled by the same magic laws that Morrigan would be. Makes perfect sense. What makes Flemeth above these laws?

The fact that she taught them to Morrigan?

Flemeth taught her all that Morrigan knows, not all that Flemeth knows.

That is a pretty good point. Still. Just chaulking the character redesign up to "Oh, she's a shapeshifter, she can look however she wants" is idiotic especially when confronted with an entire world aesthetic overhall. The Darkspawn look different, Isabela looks different, Qunari look different.... they aren't shapeshifters though....

Except that D. Gaider has said that Flemeth had her reasons for appearing the way she did to the Warden.

Yeah... because Flemeth isn't human. She chose to appear as human... Both models are old women... they just look slightly different. It is an aesthetic choice... a purposeful change that is not backed by story... it doesn't have to be. It isn't necessary for it to be. The change to Flemeth and the change to Isabela came from the exact same place.... its just that no one can rationalize the change in Isabela as easily so they get all up in arms about it.

Then you are choosing to disregard D. Gaider when he indicated that Flemeth's different appearances are story-driven.

[314es]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Saibh wrote...
Put on some pants.

Pants are an unnecessary inconvenience. Ask any number of my friends.

Korean devs also had the same ideas and look where it lead them...
DA is DA because its dark fantasy, if the saga starts turning in that direction with too much boldness I think we can predict whats going to happen to the fanbase.

[314es]

EDIT: Crazy browser... sorry about double post.

Modifié par 314es, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:32 .