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[Xilizhra]

Zathrian always ends up dead in my games so hard for me to speculate on that. Lanaya is a peacemaker and tries to mediate with the humans, so I doubt she's your revolutionary leader. Basically what you're suggesting is a Dalish civil war mixed with an elven uprising. You would probably see most of the Dalish in Ferelden wiped out if that were to happen.

Ferelden isn't who I'm trying to overthrow. Orlais is. Ferelden, if I can cultivate my relationships with the crown and the people properly, might actually be an ally, whereas if the revolution did start in Ferelden, it'd be both harder (because Ferelden treats its elves better than anywhere else does, especially if Alistair and Anora rule together) and pointless, as Orlais would definitely not sympathize and would likely crush the whole thing while it was occupied with two enemies.

The real question is whether or not this would draw a Chantry Exalted March as well. If it did, things could get a lot more interesting.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:35 .

[errant_knight]

Xilizhra wrote...

It isn't like her grudges are illegitimate, at least in my opinion; she's just taking them out on the wrong people. She should set her sights higher, attack the institutions that are keeping elves down instead of random little people.

She knows darn well that those merchants she's killing don't have anything to do with what happened to her people. She just doesn't care.

[Beerfish]

My main problem with her was she was dumb as rocks in my opinion. The snark and outrage one could accept as other companions had that as well but her actions and conclusions just seemed dumb and that was put even further forward in her conversations with Oghren. She had some nice moments so I can understand why others would like her but she just seemed too easily fooled on several levels.

[Xilizhra]

She knows darn well that those merchants she's killing don't have anything to do with what happened to her people. She just doesn't care.

...this is exactly what I said about her picking the wrong targets.

[errant_knight]

Xilizhra wrote...

She knows darn well that those merchants she's killing don't have anything to do with what happened to her people. She just doesn't care.

...this is exactly what I said about her picking the wrong targets.

If she ever seemed to feel badly about that, it would be one thing, but she doesn't. My main reason for mot making her a warden was that I figured she was bound to go on a bloody rampage at some point and do serious damage to the warden's reputation in Ferelden. She's just not right in the head, I think.

[Xilizhra]

I find her vastly too useful to simply discard, personally.

[Giggles_Manically]

I kill her most times, even on my Dalish.



Honestly she is so dumb, and twisted that its not even sympathetic.

So yes you didnt see it happen, but you think humans killed your clan.

Even though they are like a ten minute walk away covered in flies and reeking from rotting.



So then instead of going after the murders, you kill all the humans you get your hand on, who didnt do anything (making her racist)



The world is better off with her dead.

[Addai]

Xilizhra wrote...

Zathrian always ends up dead in my games so hard for me to speculate on that. Lanaya is a peacemaker and tries to mediate with the humans, so I doubt she's your revolutionary leader. Basically what you're suggesting is a Dalish civil war mixed with an elven uprising. You would probably see most of the Dalish in Ferelden wiped out if that were to happen.

Ferelden isn't who I'm trying to overthrow. Orlais is. Ferelden, if I can cultivate my relationships with the crown and the people properly, might actually be an ally, whereas if the revolution did start in Ferelden, it'd be both harder (because Ferelden treats its elves better than anywhere else does, especially if Alistair and Anora rule together) and pointless, as Orlais would definitely not sympathize and would likely crush the whole thing while it was occupied with two enemies.

The real question is whether or not this would draw a Chantry Exalted March as well. If it did, things could get a lot more interesting.

The people with the much larger and better equipped army than Ferelden, where the Chantry's head cathedral is located?  Overthrown with a non-existent Dalish army led by Velanna?    And what would that gain you exactly?

[Xilizhra]

I kill her most times, even on my Dalish.



Honestly she is so dumb, and twisted that its not even sympathetic.

So yes you didnt see it happen, but you think humans killed your clan.

Even though they are like a ten minute walk away covered in flies and reeking from rotting.



So
then instead of going after the murders, you kill all the humans you
get your hand on, who didnt do anything (making her racist)



The world is better off with her dead.

I always found it to be wasteful and somewhat immoral to kill solely based on past deeds. If she's trying to kill you or innocents right now, then by all means kill her first, but she's not; recruit her, make her useful, maybe get her to find redemption. Better for everyone.

Addai67 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Zathrian always ends up dead in my games so hard for me to speculate on that. Lanaya is a peacemaker and tries to mediate with the humans, so I doubt she's your revolutionary leader. Basically what you're suggesting is a Dalish civil war mixed with an elven uprising. You would probably see most of the Dalish in Ferelden wiped out if that were to happen.

Ferelden isn't who I'm trying to overthrow. Orlais is. Ferelden, if I can cultivate my relationships with the crown and the people properly, might actually be an ally, whereas if the revolution did start in Ferelden, it'd be both harder (because Ferelden treats its elves better than anywhere else does, especially if Alistair and Anora rule together) and pointless, as Orlais would definitely not sympathize and would likely crush the whole thing while it was occupied with two enemies.

The real question is whether or not this would draw a Chantry Exalted March as well. If it did, things could get a lot more interesting.

The people with the much larger and better equipped army than Ferelden, where the Chantry's head cathedral is located?  Overthrown with a non-existent Dalish army led by Velanna?    And what would that gain you exactly?

I admit, not all of my grandiose plans are totally thought through, and this particular plan is extremely vague and ever-shifting. Not all of Orlais has to be overthrown, at least not initially, but the Dales are in Orlais and capturing that place is our primary objective. The elves there are also likely more discontented than the Fereldan ones, at least from the few snippets of information I've heard. As for the Dalish, uniting them would be tricky, but the promise of getting their homeland back will hopefully be enough to bring a few clans in; and remember that my first choice for leader is Zathrian. I just think that he'll want to leave for wherever he's going eventually

[Zjarcal]

Xilizhra wrote...

I always found it to be wasteful and somewhat immoral to kill solely based on past deeds. If she's trying to kill you or innocents right now, then by all means kill her first, but she's not; recruit her, make her useful, maybe get her to find redemption. Better for everyone.

Hello?!?! She IS trying to kill you!!!

Or where those Wild Sylvans she sends after you just for show?

[Xilizhra]

Oh, those. Well, I also let Zevran in, after all.

[Xilizhra]

To bring this thread back on topic a bit more...

http://sqbr.devianta...abris-158800632

A decent bit of fanart, with a decent explanation behind it.

[TJPags]

Velanna should have been romanceable.



There, I said it!!!!!!!!

[Xilizhra]

I agree, but perhaps only romanceable by an elf.

[TJPags]

Xilizhra wrote...

I agree, but perhaps only romanceable by an elf.

Nah, my Cousland brought her around real well.

[Xilizhra]

I wonder who else would be romanceable here, if Awakening had them? Perhaps Anders, Nathaniel and Sigrun?

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She knows darn well that those merchants she's killing don't have anything to do with what happened to her people. She just doesn't care.

...this is exactly what I said about her picking the wrong targets.

If she ever seemed to feel badly about that, it would be one thing, but she doesn't. My main reason for mot making her a warden was that I figured she was bound to go on a bloody rampage at some point and do serious damage to the warden's reputation in Ferelden. She's just not right in the head, I think.

She certainly does not show remorse, but does she feel it or not? I don't think that's as clear.

It's Velanna's personality to be spiteful and if she does feel remorse, she wouldn't like to show it. It might be stupid and childish in some ways, but that does not mean that she is necessarily completely apathetic about it, even if she likes to show herself to be as such.

Of course, you Warden can rightfully believe that she doesn't feel any remorse and that's valid. But from out-game, is it really clear that she feels no remorse whatsoever or that she simply isn't showing them?

It's not a rethorical question btw, it's been a while since I've played and I am not sure about her feelings on the matter.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:03 .

[TJPags]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder who else would be romanceable here, if Awakening had them? Perhaps Anders, Nathaniel and Sigrun?

Anders defintiely.

Nate - probably.

Sigrun - maybe.  Although she was petty darn cute - for a dwarf.

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She knows darn well that those merchants she's killing don't have anything to do with what happened to her people. She just doesn't care.

...this is exactly what I said about her picking the wrong targets.

If she ever seemed to feel badly about that, it would be one thing, but she doesn't. My main reason for mot making her a warden was that I figured she was bound to go on a bloody rampage at some point and do serious damage to the warden's reputation in Ferelden. She's just not right in the head, I think.

She certainly does not show remorse, but does she feel it or not? I don't think that's as clear.

It's Velanna's personality to be spiteful and if she does feel remorse, she wouldn't like to show it. It might be stupid and childish in some ways, but that does not mean that she is necessarily completely apathetic about it, even if she likes to show herself to be as such.

Of course, you Warden can rightfully believe that she doesn't feel any remorse and that's valid. But from out-game, is it really clear that she feels no remorse whatsoever or that she simply isn't showing them?

It's not a rethorical question btw, it's been a while since I've played and I am not sure about her feelings on the matter.

I seem to remember a conversation with her which I interpreted as a sort-of-apology.  I say sort-of simply because it seems hard for her to apologize, not because she doesn't want to.  This is, of course, IMO.

I think it comes after you give her the book for her to write stories in . . . might trigger right after that, or it comes while looking at a statue. . . . or I could be completely wrong here . . .

[Xilizhra]

In this case, I suspect that Anders and Velanna would be the bisexual LIs (though I believe that all LIs should be bisexual).

[TheDayWarden]

I always had a soft spot for Velanna, I never understood all the hate. Justice was the worst Awakening companion I reckon.



Oh yeah, I would have totally romanced Velanna if it had been an option and I wasn't obsessed with Leliana!

[Xilizhra]

I went for Zevran for my latest mage, because she couldn't really love Leliana; too Maker-addled. But while Zevran's story is great, the physical aspect of it made me feel a bit queasy... and really, I think in hindsight that my Airee wouldn't have romanced anyone in Origins. Velanna is really the only one who would ignite her heart. And this would be their song...

[Addai]

Xilizhra wrote...

In this case, I suspect that Anders and Velanna would be the bisexual LIs (though I believe that all LIs should be bisexual).

??  Not all people are bisexual, how do you figure that working out?

[Xilizhra]

Well, I respect David Gaider's reasoning behind why they can't make any LIs purely gay; it'd be restricting their stories to a relatively small market. But having them be purely straight is an arbitrary restriction as well, and overall unnecessary. I think it'd be best if all characters could access all romances.

[Dean_the_Young]

I admit I like Velanna. She's a smart woman with very strong, abrasive beliefs she doesn't question.



That might sound like a contradiction, but it really isn't. People have varying hard-set views, however unpopular they may be. That's fine. What's great about Velenna is those who don't let her attitude get to them can have serious conversations with her, and she listens. Talk to her about Andraste and she mentions how all power corrupts, you can ask her about what if the Dalish had power. She fumbles, clearly not having really thought about that... but it gains you the most approval, showing she does appreciate it. And when the companion conversations with Nathanial turns to the grounds by which she believes her people were once immortal?



She has strong opinions she hasn't thought about with enough context. But she isn't adverse to being led to thinking otherwise, and I respect that more than I respect people who just sit in acceptable opinions without questioning. I also respect people who put family first and above themselves.





Yes, Velanna is abrasive, with sharp opinions and sharper tongue. But if you have the skin to weather the words, and the willingness to confront her and her views, she's very interesting to have around, and moderates over time as well.





There. A Velanna somewhat support argument that goes without basing it on her looks. Which are damn fine, and beg the question of where she'd be willing to give a tongue lashing in particular...



(I think a Cousland/Velanna romance would be one part intellectual, one part physical, and five part suppressed and not-so-repressed racial overtones.)