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[Estelindis]

I think variety is important in writing characters who can be romanced. Over the course of their history, Bioware has given us many kinds of love interests with differing backgrounds, levels of experiences, and approaches to sex. I would like this to continue. In any case, what I think is crucial about any of these sex-related matters is making them fit into the personality and background of the character as a whole. Any good writer will want to do this, and thankfully Bioware is jam-packed with them. :-)

All that being said, some of the comments in this thread have upset me a bit. Personally, I value waiting until marriage to share sex with one special partner. Are men wrong to be interested in someone like me? Do they have to have a "virginity fetish"? It seems a bit thoughtless and unfair to suggest this. (Incidentally, because of my outlook, I found Alistair's romance very refreshing. People in general do tend to have a bit of a double standard when it comes to male and female virginity, so it was nice to have an inexperienced male partner in a video game romance for once.)

Modifié par Estelindis, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:18 .

[Eveangaline]

Estelindis wrote...
All that being said, some of the comments in this thread have upset me a bit. Personally, I value waiting until marriage to share sex with one special partner. Are men wrong to be interested in someone like me? Do they have to have a "virginity fetish"? It seems a bit thoughtless and unfair to suggest this. (Incidentally, because of my outlook, I found Alistair's romance very refreshing. People in general do tend to have a bit of a double standard when it comes to male and female virginity, so it was nice to have an inexperienced male partner in a video game romance for once.)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that liking someone who was a virgin or who wanted to wait for marriage was bad, more that  saying they are the only kind of woman that is good is bad. Which is what the Op was pretty much doing.


Regardless, I'm wondering how this thread hasn't been shut down, 'Skank' alone is a sexist word used solely to vilify women who have a sexuality and it's right in the title. I hope a mod sees it soon and fixes this.

[FitShaced]

Estelindis wrote...

I think variety is important in writing characters who can be romanced. Over the course of their history, Bioware has given us many kinds of love interests with differing backgrounds, levels of experiences, and approaches to sex. I would like this to continue. In any case, what I think is crucial about any of these sex-related matters is making them fit into the personality and background of the character as a whole. Any good writer will want to do this, and thankfully Bioware is jam-packed with them. :-)

All that being said, some of the comments in this thread have upset me a bit. Personally, I value waiting until marriage to share sex with one special partner. Are men wrong to be interested in someone like me? Do they have to have a "virginity fetish"? It seems a bit thoughtless and unfair to suggest this. (Incidentally, because of my outlook, I found Alistair's romance very refreshing. People in general do tend to have a bit of a double standard when it comes to male and female virginity, so it was nice to have an inexperienced male partner in a video game romance for once.)

Nope. We're merely laughing at the idea that it would matter either way to anyone.  With several virgin LI's of bioware (one of them being 150 years old), you would think that would be enough for people who want their little pixilated squeeze previously "untouched". Yet this thread pops up anyways. So yes. There are people with virginity fetishes in here. the fetish usually belonging to thoes who like to take something pure and corrupt it (sup) or people who are inexperienced themselves. but i guess i'm digressing with the phycoanalysis. it's early. i still need my coffee.

Modifié par FitShaced, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Shepard Lives]

Shinian2 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

Though she does have a dead husband.

Why? So close BW...so close....

Well...there's still the chance she would've gotten over him. Without using sex as a crutch.

...Hopefully.

Maybe he was as sexually explorative as she was and that's how they fell in love? And she just didn't change after his death.

Or maybe she killed him. That would be fun.

Heh, actually Zevran killed him..

Yeah, and all she had to say about her husband in DAO was "I never did like the greasy bastard." So hopefully it won't play too big a part in her backstory.

[Estelindis]

Eveangaline wrote...

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that liking someone who was a virgin or who wanted to wait for marriage was bad, more that  saying they are the only kind of woman that is good is bad. Which is what the Op was pretty much doing.

Of course, that makes sense.  :-)  While waiting is important to me, that doesn't mean I'd only choose a guy who also waited; one chooses a partner as a whole person, not just as a single feature of themselves.

Eveangaline wrote...
Regardless, I'm wondering how this thread hasn't been shut down, 'Skank' alone is a sexist word used solely to vilify women who have a sexuality and it's right in the title. I hope a mod sees it soon and fixes this.

I too am wondering how the thread still exists.  Even so, it's teetered fairly close to the brink and dragged itself back a fair few times; it could've gotten much worse.  ;-)

FitShaced wrote...
With several virgin LI's of bioware (one of them being 150 years old), you would think that would be enough for
people who want their little pixilated squeeze previously "untouched".  Yet this thread pops up anyways.

Well, all videogame LIs are pixelated by definition, yet various aspects of them can still cause very strong emotional reactions (e.g. pretty much everything that happened re. Alistair in the last five hours or so of my first DA:O playthrough - literally broke my friggin' heart).  I agree, however, that ignoring the less experienced LIs simply because they're not the only kind of Bioware LI is a bit distorted, as points of view go.

Modifié par Estelindis, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:49 .

[Marionetten]

I certainly hope there will be a more interesting romance option for Mike Hawke. As far as I'm concerned Isabela is Leliana with less Maker and more skank. A Qunari would have been so much more interesting than yet another human rogue.

[FitShaced]

Marionetten wrote...

I certainly hope there will be a more interesting romance option for Mike Hawke. As far as I'm concerned Isabela is Leliana with less Maker and more skank. A Qunari would have been so much more interesting than yet another human rogue.

I'm glad bioware is staying out of xenophilia in dragon age... let mass effect cover that.

[Beerfish]

I actually meant to post this in this thread rather than the Isabela really thread.



RE her morals:





Hawke: "I'm sorry but I've heard from others that you are a woman with loose morals who has bedded many and some multiple partners. I'm not sure if I can tolerate that behaviour of someone I am becoming close to."







Isabela: "It is true what you say, mistakes of youth. Giving in to temptation and putting up the front of what is expected of a pirate captain. To become and stay a captain of such men you have to be better than them in all the things they care about. You must be smarter than them, be a better fighter than them and yes even have more sexual conquests. All of that is what got me to the captaincy and kept me there. Men of the sea such as my crew care about fighting, gold, ale and conquests in the bedroom. Do I regret some things I have done in the past? Yes, most people have regrets but I am a changed person. There is an old pirate saying, crew does not change if you do not allow them to change. Will you allow me to change?"



It is also bizarre that people have already totally judged this romance option by one image and about 5 lines of dialogue from the previous game. Quite a few of the same complaints you are reading here were made about Morrigan when her image 1st came out.

[Reaverwind]

Eveangaline wrote...

Estelindis wrote...
All that being said, some of the comments in this thread have upset me a bit. Personally, I value waiting until marriage to share sex with one special partner. Are men wrong to be interested in someone like me? Do they have to have a "virginity fetish"? It seems a bit thoughtless and unfair to suggest this. (Incidentally, because of my outlook, I found Alistair's romance very refreshing. People in general do tend to have a bit of a double standard when it comes to male and female virginity, so it was nice to have an inexperienced male partner in a video game romance for once.)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that liking someone who was a virgin or who wanted to wait for marriage was bad, more that  saying they are the only kind of woman that is good is bad. Which is what the Op was pretty much doing.


Regardless, I'm wondering how this thread hasn't been shut down, 'Skank' alone is a sexist word used solely to vilify women who have a sexuality and it's right in the title. I hope a mod sees it soon and fixes this.

The tone of some of the responses to the OP was downright insulting to those who believe in waiting for marriage. Definitely in favor of a thread lockdown.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Reaverwind wrote...
The tone of some of the responses to the OP was downright insulting to those who believe in waiting for marriage. Definitely in favor of a thread lockdown.

Don't take it personally.  The idea of chastity is very offensive to some, particularly those for whom extreme promiscuity affords the only (slight) chance of something to do on Friday night. 

[Lord_Valandil]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...
The tone of some of the responses to the OP was downright insulting to those who believe in waiting for marriage. Definitely in favor of a thread lockdown.

Don't take it personally.  The idea of chastity is very offensive to some, particularly those for whom extreme promiscuity affords the only (slight) chance of something to do on Friday night. 

And yes, I'm in favor of a thread lockdown.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:41 .

[aaniadyen]

Reaverwind wrote...
The tone of some of the responses to the OP was downright insulting to those who believe in waiting for marriage. Definitely in favor of a thread lockdown.

Just femi****s. Their opinions don't matter.

[Addai]

Reaverwind wrote...
The tone of some of the responses to the OP was downright insulting to those who believe in waiting for marriage. Definitely in favor of a thread lockdown.

What I find amusing is that Isabela is praised for "enjoying sex."  As if the only people who enjoy sex are those into orgies with strangers.  Now we're talking about "virgin fetishists" as if there's nothing in between the two.

Waiting for the "I want an LI who's kinda normal" thread.  I'll sign on to that. 

[David Gaider]

To address the thing about "every love interest":

Our romanceable characters cover a pretty wide array of moralities, outlooks and, yes, sexual attitudes. This will continue. Holding up Isabela (or what some people seem to assume she will be like) as an example of all female love interests proves about as much as holding up Zevran and saying that all male love interests are flamboyantly sexual. They're not, but we're not worried about having some who are so long as our romances are optional.

As far as the double standard regarding female characters specifically, I find it a bit curious. Is there something wrong with a female character who's had sex and enjoyed it and doesn't feel ashamed about it? Must she be somehow "broken"? Or be automatically rendered one of several derogatory terms for women? I don't think so. She may not be what someone finds romantically attractive, but as I said before so long as romances are optional it's up to you to find a character that appeals-- or not. We will never be able to cover all the bases on this point, so instead we opt to make interesting characters that we believe in.

If this is about Isabela in general, there are already threads to discuss her. Beyond that, this thread has become a little too casually offensive to leave open. It's not okay to throw around offensive terms even if you're talking about a fictional character-- she won't be insulted, sure, but her gender is real enough and I'd consider it inflammatory talk that's not very welcome on this forum. If you wish to discuss this again, please choose your words a bit more carefully lest you be made unwelcome here.

Thanks. Closing this down.