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[Spartansfan8888]

I don't know if "skank" is the word I would use but it does seem like in most recent movies, games etc. (not just Origins) that the female has to be the experienced one and the male has to be the inexperienced/virgin one in terms of partners. I guess Zevran kind of blows that theory out of the water even though Alistair fits with it. Oh well; just watch as DA2 throws gorgeous, chaste chantry initiates and dalish princesses at Garrett to prove me wrong lol

[Guardsman234]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I don't know if "skank" is the word I would use but it does seem like in most recent movies, games etc. (not just Origins) that the female has to be the experienced one and the male has to be the inexperienced/virgin one in terms of partners. I guess Zevran kind of blows that theory out of the water even though Alistair fits with it. Oh well; just watch as DA2 throws gorgeous, chaste chantry initiates and dalish princesses at Garrett to prove me wrong lol

lmao

[Merced256]

slimgrin wrote...

Some women are promiscuous as are some men. You want pristine, try a convent.

INC GODWIN'S LAW. HIT THE DECK.

[Ryzaki]

Ugh...how does not wanting a skanky LI = virgin?

Granted the OP is wrong about the whole every female LI but still...there's a nice middle ground between skank and virgin people realize yes?

Miranda is a good example. Experienced woman, knows what she wants but you don't hear about her leering over you at the slightest suggestion.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:48 .

[In Exile]

Dudalizer wrote...  If you don't find Isabella and Morrigan (AND ZEVRAN) a bit skanky then you must live in a pretty ****ed up place. 

Well, there's certainly a lot of *****ing that's going on in the place I'm at, that's for sure. ;-)

Let me put it simply.  I have no problem dating women that aren't virgins, but I find no appeal in a woman that sleeps around.  If you don't like it then I couldn't really give a rat's ass, but don't pretend like I am a bad person for having moral values and class. 

Having a preference is one thing. But trying to venerate yourself as some kind of special moral paragon for it is why you're getting all this flak in the first place. You're not a better person, or a more awesome person, or a classier person for thinking sex is about romance instead of getting your jollies off.

Addai67 wrote...
Uh, yeah.  He would be, in fact.  And it's
perfectly fine to want your primary romantic love interest to be someone
who's not nailing everything that moves.

If the thread was - "What's up with all the LIs in DA:O being skanks?" and wasn't exclusively about women, I wouldn't have invoked the double standard line. But that's what we've got on the table right now.

I think it's super important to be with a person that has the same attitude about sex as you do. This is the sort of thing that can lead to dramatically bad break-ups.

[Merced256]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh...how does not wanting a skanky LI = virgin?

INTERNET.

[Sol Nox]

slimgrin wrote...

Some women are promiscuous as are some men.

There's even a song about it.
(Or 10,000.  Whatever.)

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Oh dear...



Seriously, a woman shows some sexual interest and/or has had partners before you, and suddenly she's a skank? Naw dude. Just no.

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...

Some women are promiscuous as are some men.

The opposite also stands to be true. :innocent:

And...please don't bring the Carth Syndrome in DA2 BW. It's bad enough Zev had part of it (only thing was missing was him being a deadbeat dad).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:52 .

[Zjarcal]

Merced256 wrote...

No, frequently sleeping around doesn't make you a soulless amoral robot, but it could make you immoral.

There's the keyword, "could".

[KnightofPhoenix]

Do we really need to start judging people morally? Can't we express a distaste or preference without making it sound like it should be a universal rule?

I am not particularly attracted to what I perceive to be over-promiscuous partners. I do not think Morrigan fits that category and if she does, it's because of a radically different upbringing (and I think at the end of the romance, she starts believing that the act is more than just physical, hence why she refuses to do it when in love, because she is scared of that).

I like Isabela, but I was not attracted to her in DA:O and I don't think I will in DA2 and that's my personal preference. I don't need to moralize to express this preference.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 octobre 2010 - 03:55 .

[Enshaid]

Zjarcal wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

No, frequently sleeping around doesn't make you a soulless amoral robot, but it could make you immoral.

There's the keyword, "could".

I see no moral connotations at all when it comes to sex between consenting adults.

[Addai]

Black_Tuesday wrote...

Dudalizer wrote...
Now we have Isabella who is probably the biggest skank of all.

Let me break this down simply to you.

If you don't approach her with the desire for a threesome, she doesn't have a threesome. Therefore, Isabela is a skank only if YOU are a skank.

Think of her as a reflection of your own moral decisions in the game.

??  This doesn't make a lot of sense.  So yes, she's not tackling people on the street and ripping their clothes off.  But still, she'll sleep with a bunch of people she just met and does so with a "the more the merrier" attitude.  That means it's part of her character regardless of whether the Warden even approaches her.

[Dudalizer]

Sorry guys if I am coming off as a douche. I was recently cheated on, so I am pretty touchy on this subject and I tend to let my emotions get the better of me.



In all fairness though what is your definition of a skank(man or woman)? If you're next door neigbor got double penatration by a couple guys would you define them as a skank? If you're next door neighbor slept with people they've known for a day would you define them as a skank? Please explain to me what your standards for "skankiness" are.







Also sorry if anyone is offended by the word "skank". It is the best word I could think of to describe people who sleep around.

[SirOccam]

Black_Tuesday wrote...

Dudalizer wrote...
Now we have Isabella who is probably the biggest skank of all.

Let me break this down simply to you.

If you don't approach her with the desire for a threesome, she doesn't have a threesome. Therefore, Isabela is a skank only if YOU are a skank.

Think of her as a reflection of your own moral decisions in the game.

This is true. It occurred to me while I was mulling over the new information at work today...I thought I kind of wanted to go back and replay part of my game and have my Warden go for the threesome, JUST for the chance that Isabela might mention it in DA2. Then I thought "no, that's totally not in keeping with my character's personality."

The fact that she can be talked into a three- or foursome doesn't mean all that much. I'm sure many of us here wouldn't argue all that strenuously against the concept if 2 or 3 attractive examples of the gender we fancy proposed it to us. It's not like she is offering it to anyone who passes by.

In a weird way I sort of wish it HAD been her who made the offer though...then my more reserved Wardens would have a chance to get a mention too (as in a "he turned down my advances" sort of way). It's probably not very likely she'll tell Hawke "so I met the Hero of Ferelden, and the funniest thing happened...he didn't join me in a threesome or proposition me in any way."

[Ryzaki]

...why not just use the words People who sleep around?



And no there's nothing wrong with someone having certain types of sex. Personally I only define someone who knowingly sleeps with someone else that's in a relationship a "skank" this goes for males and females. (Only if the person's partner is unaware of what's going on) otherwise. What two consenting adults do is their damn business as long as they're no dragging someone else into it.

[silentassassin264]

Ryzaki wrote...
Jack didn't enjoy sex? So I assume that moaning and groaning was pain noises?  I doubt BW would've made it an option if it was akin to rape. She might've felt like **** afterwards but so do alot of people who had consensual sex when they didn't think it completely through.

Though I do see what you mean. Miranda however looked to be having sex for a very specific purpose (pregancy) and even if it was not that it wasn't like she had a ludcrious amount of partners. So calling either one of them skanks using that definition is invalid.

Also: I've never heard of on ehaving to enjoy sex to be considered a skank. They just have to have a ludcrious amount of consensual partners in relatively short amounts of time.

Technical note although irrelevant: Orgasms are involuntary

I never romanced Miranda personally and was going by the comments from the ME forum.  Apparently some people thought it was bioware's best done romance and some people thought it was a cheezy hookup.  I have no opinion since I have not done it.

Yes enjoying sex counts.  By my definition, a skank is a hedonist that enjoys the pleasure of sex.  Getting gang raped would result in multiple partners in a short time but also would not make that person a skank.  An Orlesian bard sleeping with nobles for the sole purpose of gathering information would not be a skank.  Caveat: James Bond taking pleasure in having sex with as many women as he can per movie and very much so enjoying is an example of a skank.

[upsettingshorts]

silentassassin264 wrote...
Caveat: James Bond taking pleasure in having sex with as many women as he can per movie and very much so enjoying is an example of a skank.

He sometimes does it to get to them.  Like Solitaire in Live and Let Die or the failed attempt with SPECTRE agent Fiona Volpe in Thunderball.

Most of it is pure self indulgence, though.  

Edit: Can't believe I forgot Goldfinger, where Bond would have failed completely in his mission to stop Goldfinger if he hadn't seduced and turned Pu ssy Galore, who put a stop to the operation herself while Bond was imprisoned.  It is quite possibly, aside from his expert bluff to prevent being cut in half by a laser, the only thing he does right in the whole movie.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Ryzaki]

...I said *consensual* partners. I said nothing about rape. I'm one of those weird people who don't consider a virgin who got raped no longer a virigin. A bard sleeping with nobles for information serves as a reason other than the pleasure of sex. What if she enjoys it? Does she then count?  She propositions Shep not the other way around. Though I would probably wouldn't *yeah I flip floped*. It's consensual she may hate herself for doing it, but if it's consensual...

Granted maybe she's not a skank to you but she may be to others. Thus the whole YMMV.

Also I know orgasms are involuntary. Her throwing Shep down and jumping on top of him certainly wasn't.

And Miranda's romance scene was horribly cheesy. The whole engine room was a wallbanger. That doesn't make her a skank though just...really kinky.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:07 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

imported_beer wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But still, she'll sleep with a bunch of people she just met and does so with a "the more the merrier" attitude.  That means it's part of her character regardless of whether the Warden even approaches her.

Metagaming.

I don't think the thread is talking about how the Warden percieves people but how we gamers percieve them and how the op would rather have a different kind of partner. So this argument is moot, I don't think we are talking about in-game perspective.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:05 .

[iny0fac3]

Randy1083 wrote...

Ah, my favorite thing about Thedas: no Puritans.

quote for truth.

imagine if you had to romance a puritan.