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[Addai]

imported_beer wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But still, she'll sleep with a bunch of people she just met and does so with a "the more the merrier" attitude.  That means it's part of her character regardless of whether the Warden even approaches her.

Metagaming.

A game character's morality can often be judged by how you interacted with them. So if your character approached a person without knowing them at all, along with Zevran, your character acted with the same morality as Isabela did when she accepted it.

I didn't even know there was a threesome/foursome because I never broached the topic with her. So in my experience of the character, she was no skank.

If your male PC got nekkid with Zevran and Isabela, and then you deem her a skank (generic you, not you specifically) then you are as much a skank as she is.

Oh, are you assuming that Isabela is going to approach the PC in any different way?  She was just feeling particularly randy on the day the Warden dropped by?  [/skepticism]

Regardless, we're talking about players' preferences for romantic interest in a game so "metagaming" is irrelevant.  We all know Isabela as the threesome lady from DAO so it's perfectly valid for players to say "eeeh, no thanks."

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But still, she'll sleep with a bunch of people she just met and does so with a "the more the merrier" attitude.  That means it's part of her character regardless of whether the Warden even approaches her.

Metagaming.

I don't think the thread is talking about how the Warden percieves people but how we gamers percieve them and how the op would rather have a different kind of partner. So this argument is moot, I don't think we are talking about in-game perspective.

And since the Warden might as well be dead... 

[Zjarcal]

One thing that has to be mentioned. Leliana's past as a bard does means that she slept around with both men and women. However she doesn't do that anymore and in fact she is the hardest companion to bed in the whole game.

Considering that, while she may have been a "skank" in the past, she certainly wasn't by the time the warden showed up. So qualifying her as a "skanky" LI is incorrect.

Also, I'm a bit humored by how the OP keeps saying Isabella got double penetrated. Not in my game. Unless my F!Warden and Leliana were wearing "extra equipment". 

EDIT: The same applies to Morrigan really, for different reasons.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:15 .

[Ryzaki]

What's wrong with DP anyways? As long as they're consenting adults why does anyone else *care*?

[Riona45]

Addai67 wrote...
Regardless, we're talking about players' preferences for romantic interest in a game so "metagaming" is irrelevant.  We all know Isabela as the threesome lady from DAO so it's perfectly valid for players to say "eeeh, no thanks."

And if the OP had stated it in that tone, I don't think anyone would have cared.

[SirOccam]

Addai67 wrote...

??  This doesn't make a lot of sense.  So yes, she's not tackling people on the street and ripping their clothes off.  But still, she'll sleep with a bunch of people she just met and does so with a "the more the merrier" attitude.  That means it's part of her character regardless of whether the Warden even approaches her.

As imported_beer says, this is metagaming.

Using this logic you could argue that anything that is possible with an NPC defines them as a person. I suppose Dr. Chakwas is a raging alcoholic now because you can join her for a bit of brandy.

Are other NPCs not skanks because they are unwilling to do the same things, or just because they haven't been programmed to? So the option is open with Isabela; so what? As others have said, YOU have to be the one to pursue that path. All she will suggest is a simple card game to test your dexterity. Whose mind is really in the gutter?

[Sol Nox]

imported_beer wrote...
If your male PC got nekkid with Zevran and Isabela, and then you deem her a skank (generic you, not you specifically) then you are as much a skank as she is.

I think you're missing it.  That reasoning doesn't ever apply to the PC.  Seriously, don't you play video games?

[Doyle41]

I like them skanky. Big, tall, fat, small........I bonk them all.

[Merced256]

iny0fac3 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Ah, my favorite thing about Thedas: no Puritans.

quote for truth.

imagine if you had to romance a puritan.

I liked bastila's romance..

[Ryzaki]

Morrigan who never speaks about past sexual experiences? On what basis are the skank labels being given out? Clothing choices?

Doesn't Morrigan talk about the "men" Flemeth used and how she was eventually taught to do such? Or was I mishearing things?

[Irish Groat]

cus theres no way a self respecting women would have sex with some one theve only known for 100 hours...

[Wholetyouinhere]

Figures, the overzealous femi-****s would jump straight down the OP's throat.

Most of the love interests in Bioware games are or were skanks. They aren't sexually confident or unashamed or whatever you want to call it. They are scantily clad women who drop their pants for any protagonist who clicks the right dozen or so responses. Morrigan's hanging out of a scarf, and she'll jump your bones almost immediately. Leiliana, while reformed, was basically a professional seductress. Jack is wearing suspenders as a shirt, and will also bone you at the drop of a hat.

Are there reasons why these women are so sexed? Of course. They aren't poorly characterized. It's just the same one or two notes over and over again, and it's getting really old. I skip romance options almost constantly now - they feel too ham-handed and repetitive because Bioware only seems to go one of 2-3 ways with it. Fact is, the romances feel extremely rushed and shoe-horned in pretty much all Bioware games. When you really think about it, it makes sense that most of the sexually active characters are borderline nymphos - you'd have to be if boning is somehow a priority given the gravity of these situations.

Incidentally, the proganist is usually a skank as well. You're hooking up with these women (or men) with fairly reckless abandon as well.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Black_Tuesday wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I don't think the thread is talking about how the Warden percieves people but how we gamers percieve them and how the op would rather have a different kind of partner. So this argument is moot, I don't think we are talking about in-game perspective.

That is a tad ridiculous because the entire judgment of skankdom that is placed on the character is based on someone acting exactly the same way as she did. If I didn't approach Isabela why the hell would I see her as a skank? If you had a foursome with her, how is she anymore a skank than you are?

Because you can't create a character that is sexually active and rp him / her that way, without being one yourself in real life? How did you come to this conclusion?

You can very much create a character that is very sexually active, play him / her that way, approach Isabela and do all that. Without having to agree with what your character is doing or like what he / she is doing. And from that experience, find out that Isabela doesn't mind foursomes.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:16 .

[Enshaid]

Irish Groat wrote...

cus theres no way a self respecting women would have sex with some one theve only known for 100 hours...

Why does sex have to have anything with emotional attachment? Why all the prudes who say that casual sex is related to low self respect? If they do have low self respect, they have low self respect because people like you call them skanks for enjoying sex.

[Merced256]

Black_Tuesday wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I don't think the thread is talking about how the Warden percieves people but how we gamers percieve them and how the op would rather have a different kind of partner. So this argument is moot, I don't think we are talking about in-game perspective.

That is a tad ridiculous because the entire judgment of skankdom that is placed on the character is based on someone acting exactly the same way as she did. If I didn't approach Isabela why the hell would I see her as a skank? If you had a foursome with her, how is she anymore a skank than you are?

You cannot divorce the two because the entire morality of Isabela in particular is completely influenced  by your experience with her as a player. That applies to almost all npcs because their so called skanky actions are completely influenced by a player who pursues the same outcome. The exception is Zevran, I think because he is more open about his lustiness. But Leliana, who requires that she be in love before she sleeps with the PC? Morrigan who never speaks about past sexual experiences? On what basis are the skank labels being given out? Clothing choices?

Because video games are extentions of real life and the decisions we make in them are reflections upon the same decisions we make on a daily basis. Because i choose the 4way with isabela i'm a sleezeball IRL even though i did it because i didn't have the appropriate stats to learn the duelist specialization the honest way.

[Ryzaki]

Dude what? that's like saying Morrigan doesn't approve of sacrificing slaves for power if you don't take her during the Alienage quest.

It's also like saying if your PC slaughters the elves you can't think it as being a evil heartless action.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:23 .

[iny0fac3]

Merced256 wrote...

iny0fac3 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Ah, my favorite thing about Thedas: no Puritans.

quote for truth.

imagine if you had to romance a puritan.

I liked bastila's romance..

mate you need to get your history straight...

[Addai]

Black_Tuesday wrote...

Further, to then decree that an NPC is a threesome lady and subsequently a skank because it is *possible* to have a threesome with her if your character pursues the option is also ridiculous because her own actions vary depending on yours. She was not cast in stone.

This only makes sense if you're somehow arguing that the threesome was out of character for Isabela.  That's what you think?

[Ryzaki]

...Bastila wasn't a puritan? ...Did you play the game? At all? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 04:24 .

[Dudalizer]

Now I really feel like a tool.  I realize that I was tactless with the OP, but don't misunderstand me.  I do no like people who sleep around, and I would not want to be involved in a romantic relationship with one, whether it is real or virtual.  Morrigan, Zevran, Isabella, and Lelianna(at one time) slept around, and as such I did not find them appealing (excluding Lelianna). I feel that most people who sleep around do it for a simple reason.  They want sex, but have no interest in have a romantic relationship with another person.  I cannot agree with that or condone it and I never will.  I try to have my characters reflect my own personal values and as such I would prefer to have potential romantic interests that are not simply interested in forming a relationship with me for sex.  I like to become emotionally invested in the characters, and I would like those characters to be emontionally invested in my character as well.  If that makes me a prejudice, sexist pig then so be it.