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[Sevens]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...Your point is beyond silly.

(...)

"Slippery slope" is a term people use when they know their ultimate point is absurd.

"Your point is beyond silly" is an allegation people use when they know their entire point/post is ridiculous.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Sevens wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...Your point is beyond silly.

(...)

"Slippery slope" is a term people use when they know their ultimate point is absurd.

"Your point is beyond silly" is an allegation people use when they know their entire point/post is ridiculous.

Wrong.  "Your point is beyond silly" is a statement of fact which was backed up by the facts you backed down from by cutting.

You fail.  :lol:

[Eldragon]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Your point is beyond silly.

How many DVDs are sold in three distinct versions:  The theater ending, a happier ending, and comedy ending?  What is stopping Hollywood from doing that with every major movie?  Closer to your point, wouldn't selling different endings sort of tell you what the default endings are?  Or are you saying people are going to buy DLC labeled "Just buy it!"  Cause they aren't.

"Slippery slope" is a term people use when they know their ultimate point is absurd.  You're essentially saying "this is how things are" then waving your hands and going wooo-ga wooo-ga while you move over to the scary bit of your thought and say "Now look!  Now I'm right!"

So you use a bunch of nonsense words, take an example out of context, then proceed to question my choice of idiom rather than form a coherent rebuttal... and my point is silly.

Modifié par Eldragon, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Eldragon wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Your point is beyond silly.

How many DVDs are sold in three distinct versions:  The theater ending, a happier ending, and comedy ending?  What is stopping Hollywood from doing that with every major movie?  Closer to your point, wouldn't selling different endings sort of tell you what the default endings are?  Or are you saying people are going to buy DLC labeled "Just buy it!"  Cause they aren't.

"Slippery slope" is a term people use when they know their ultimate point is absurd.  You're essentially saying "this is how things are" then waving your hands and going wooo-ga wooo-ga while you move over to the scary bit of your thought and say "Now look!  Now I'm right!"

So you use a bunch of nonsense words, take an example out of context, then proceed to question my choice of idiom rather than form a coherent rebuttal... and my point is silly.

At least you agree.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Riona45 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Anyone else amused to see that the people who are ostensibly defending the fans' interests are the ones who think the fans are fools?

Constantly. 

I'll second that.

I'll third it.

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC. You guys wonder why you've gotten the BDF tag? They're not independant anymore folks, they're wholy owned by EA.

Now I'm not saying thats exactly the case with DA2, but on the same token it wouldn't at all surprise me if it were to be true.

[upsettingshorts]

I don't have a huge problem with EA, either?

I also recall saying in the last thread on this topic that the usual suspect critics have personal issues with capitalism that they need to work out. It's still true.

These threads are what is getting shameless. Rampant accusations of Bioware lying through its teeth to its customers on their own forum, and telling them they're full of sh*t when they claim otherwise. That's shameless.

/hasn't pre-ordered

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Enshaid]

Interesting. I just read a whole page of this thread and I still have no idea what it is about.

[Chris Priestly]

So if you didn't like us giving you free content for pre-ordering, what do you think of our Free Hindsight belt from Penny Arcade?

[Cutlasskiwi]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So if you didn't like us giving you free content for pre-ordering, what do you think of our Free Hindsight belt from Penny Arcade?

Awesome! My favorite belt broke a few weeks ago. It's about time I got a new one 

[Dave of Canada]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So if you didn't like us giving you free content for pre-ordering, what do you think of our Free Hindsight belt from Penny Arcade?

My abilities of Fore(not hind)sight tell me it'll go like this:

Person 1: OMFG they are giving promotions to people who sign up to their newsletter i mean why do they cut content and give it to us like this i want the full game! give it to everybody!

[AlanC9]

bobobo878 wrote...
Interesting, I always thought that the story with Shale was the same as the Versus mode in Resident Evil 5.  Capcom put it on the disc, but required an expensive download of a few kilobites to unlock it.  I see how the game getting delayed would put such content in a state of limbo.

You never noticed the size of the download? It sure wasn't any few kb. Of course, with broadband and TB hard drives, nobody cares about several hundred MB anymore.

[Dave of Canada]

AlanC9 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Interesting, I always thought that the story with Shale was the same as the Versus mode in Resident Evil 5.  Capcom put it on the disc, but required an expensive download of a few kilobites to unlock it.  I see how the game getting delayed would put such content in a state of limbo.

You never noticed the size of the download? It sure wasn't any few kb. Of course, with broadband and TB hard drives, nobody cares about several hundred MB anymore.

I think it was 300MB while the Capcom Versus was like... 2.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:30 .

[AlanC9]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC.

True. I find it impossible to believe that they'd be that stupid. They knew they were going to be doing DLC, but they didn't plan to actually make any? They figured they'd just find something that they could cut out later? Even you don't believe that's how they operate. Then again, you don't seem to believe in a lot of your own  positions...

You guys wonder why you've gotten the BDF tag?

"Why you've gotten the BDF tag"? Not "Why I gave you the BDF tag"? Sarah, sometimes it seems like you're embarrassed to take ownership of your own positions and catchphrases.

Now I'm not saying thats exactly the case with DA2, but on the same token it wouldn't at all surprise me if it were to be true.

So you don't think they're doing it. Exactly so.

The other amusing thing about this thread is how many people are complaining about things that they don't actually think Bioware has ever done or even planned to do.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:42 .

[bobolda7]

You do know that if you preorder you don't have to put more than 5 bucks down right? Plus i believe the signature edition is the same price as the regular edition (from gamestops website) which means ultimatly this is cheaper than the collectors edition from DAO. So if you preorder then decide you don't want the game don't pick it up or switch the preorder to a game you want. The things people get outraged about these days. I bet you would still think it is a worse crime to give dlc with a preorder than if i punted a puppy or something.(no puppies were harmed in the production of this post).

[AlanC9]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You never noticed the size of the download? It sure wasn't any few kb. Of course, with broadband and TB hard drives, nobody cares about several hundred MB anymore.

I think it was 300MB while the Capcom Versus was like... 2.

If you ever download  old abandonware games, you'll notice that PDFs of the manuals are far larger than the actual games.

[Sevens]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Sevens wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...Your point is beyond silly.

(...)

"Slippery slope" is a term people use when they know their ultimate point is absurd.

"Your point is beyond silly" is an allegation people use when they know their entire point/post is ridiculous.

Wrong.  "Your point is beyond silly" is a statement of fact which was backed up by the facts you backed down from by cutting.

You fail.  :lol:

Nah, it's just that your "reasoning" linked to these facts was outstandingly pathetic. Out of courtesy, I didn't quote that part. Also, because it didn't make sense. Not to mention that your fellow kindergarten children would respond to it with such stupid remarks as "you fail" and multiple smileys. That wouldn't be good.

[JeCy108]

i really  dont see what all the fuss is about..

If you want the full game for a low price,..  just wait till everything is made and released to the final eddtion..  (1-2 years)


i find it funny when people pay more than this for a month of cell phone use, or a night out to dinner, yet *gasp,  How dare a game company charge 50 bucks and give us a bonus, that is gonna end up in the box eventually if you just wait a little bit.

i guess thats the new generation, I want it all, i want it now, and i want it for as cheap as i can..


So dont pre-order and hope enough people buy the game that they add on tons of goodies so down the road you can buy the full box with it all included....

[AtreiyaN7]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Anyone else amused to see that the people who are ostensibly defending the fans' interests are the ones who think the fans are fools?

Constantly. 

I'll second that.

I'll third it.

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC. You guys wonder why you've gotten the BDF tag? They're not independant anymore folks, they're wholy owned by EA.

Now I'm not saying thats exactly the case with DA2, but on the same token it wouldn't at all surprise me if it were to be true.

I don't wonder at the BDF tag - it's a known fact that you came up with the term as a way to be dismissive towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. You can claim it's humorous or whatever else, but the intent is pretty clear. And, as per usual, you have this habit of ignoring what people have actually said previously and cherry-picked only what suits you (ie., our snarky responses as opposed to our more detailed ones). It reminds me of the kind of "citizen journalists" who don't bother with pesky things like facts.

I actually stated in one of my other posts that I'm sure that it's entirely possible that companies have/will/do engage in this kind of behavior - and then I went on to state that as far as BioWare went, based on their past history of interaction with the community, I find them fairly trustworthy, personally. Thus far, they haven't lied to me (can't say the same about Blizzard and the WoW shaman class as commented on previously). I judge companies on an individual basis, and if I see an actual pattern of untrustworthy behavior, well hey, I go into skeptical/cynical mode.

I don't expect anyone who's suspicious of BioWare or the devs to believe what I believe because we're talking about people's individual experiences with the company and how that colors their view of things. There are those who think the devs are lying or feel like they've been burned for whatever reason, and nothing's going to change their minds. As for the above comments, now might be an appropriate time to go "DUH!" Are you the only person with a right to be snarky? *rolleyes* Obviously, that was poking fun at the people who say they're wailing and gnashing their teeth entirely for the community's benefit and that we're all idiots if we don't agree with them.

[Morroian]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC.

You still haven't answered my question about why it is impossible to believe they planned for rewards and developed them in the latter stages of the games development alongside the game instead of simply cutting content. Like someone else said cutting is not necessarily an easy thing to do with an NPC.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Morroian wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC.

You still haven't answered my question about why it is impossible to believe they planned for rewards and developed them in the latter stages of the games development alongside the game instead of simply cutting content. Like someone else said cutting is not necessarily an easy thing to do with an NPC.

This.
I don't think the character was cut from the game. I think it's more like Zaeed for ME2. He had a mission and he had comments about things but no major impact on the game or story itself, like the other NPC's. 

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Morroian wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC.

You still haven't answered my question about why it is impossible to believe they planned for rewards and developed them in the latter stages of the games development alongside the game instead of simply cutting content. Like someone else said cutting is not necessarily an easy thing to do with an NPC.

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

The armory/item awards may be something completely different if they're not offered for every "new" copy sold, but again it remains to be seen what the situation will be with that. If they are indeed just for preorders before Jan, then sure thats a nice reward I suppose for blind faith in preordering a game quite a few people are nervous about the development direction and changes. But still I'll give them credit if thats the case.

I'm all for giving credit where it's due, like the incredible support NeverWinter Nights got post release was something very commendable for example.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Anyone else amused to see that the people who are ostensibly defending the fans' interests are the ones who think the fans are fools?

Constantly. 

I'll second that.

I'll third it.

And of course the usual suspects find it impossible that their precious Bioware might cut content to make a buck later on as DLC. You guys wonder why you've gotten the BDF tag? They're not independant anymore folks, they're wholy owned by EA.

Now I'm not saying thats exactly the case with DA2, but on the same token it wouldn't at all surprise me if it were to be true.

I don't wonder at the BDF tag - it's a known fact that you came up with the term as a way to be dismissive towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. You can claim it's humorous or whatever else, but the intent is pretty clear. And, as per usual, you have this habit of ignoring what people have actually said previously and cherry-picked only what suits you (ie., our snarky responses as opposed to our more detailed ones). It reminds me of the kind of "citizen journalists" who don't bother with pesky things like facts.

I actually stated in one of my other posts that I'm sure that it's entirely possible that companies have/will/do engage in this kind of behavior - and then I went on to state that as far as BioWare went, based on their past history of interaction with the community, I find them fairly trustworthy, personally. Thus far, they haven't lied to me (can't say the same about Blizzard and the WoW shaman class as commented on previously). I judge companies on an individual basis, and if I see an actual pattern of untrustworthy behavior, well hey, I go into skeptical/cynical mode.

I don't expect anyone who's suspicious of BioWare or the devs to believe what I believe because we're talking about people's individual experiences with the company and how that colors their view of things. There are those who think the devs are lying or feel like they've been burned for whatever reason, and nothing's going to change their minds. As for the above comments, now might be an appropriate time to go "DUH!" Are you the only person with a right to be snarky? *rolleyes* Obviously, that was poking fun at the people who say they're wailing and gnashing their teeth entirely for the community's benefit and that we're all idiots if we don't agree with them.

Not really, the term was coined for about 5 people that go out of their way to defend Bioware on everything. Hell I wish more people would be snarky, the whole "Pollitically Correct" movement should die a firey death imo.

[Morroian]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

So what? Even if its part of that initiative it doesn't mean its cut content, it can still be planned, which means the game is still complete if you don't pre-order.

[crimzontearz]

My my...



Ok, let's try this.

I LOVE Bioware. I played a lot of their games...I am one of those psychos who played ME 1 and ME 2 about 200+ hours each. If asked "what is your favorite game" my answer is Mass Effect and Dragon Age depending on my mood.



BUT



Bioware is a company, a company now owned by EA. The bottom line of such large companies is ALWAYS to make as much money as possible pissing off the customer as little possible or just enough so that they will nottake their business elsewhere.



Now the rebuttal to that statement will likely be, as it often is, "how can you possibly knowall companies lie through their teeth?"



And the answeris .... because I WORK for one. Yes not a videogame company but one that provides 1 on 1 service to the public and retailing of certain product. The bottom line is ALWAYS to make more money. Every promotion we run is to be perceived as beneficial or rewarding to the customer but the truth is that it's there solely to retain business or increase it. If the promotion does not do that entirely to expectation it is removed even tho the clients might have loved it. All employees are told never to reveal anything to the client aside for the company line to make them feel like they are our SOLE concern (and because they'd be pissed if they knew the truth).



Having had this experience I just CAN'T take the devs words as golden truth because as much as I know they themselves are honest people I also know they work for a large company and as such they are subject to the same BS I am.



It may sound jaded but sadly it's the truth. And it saddens me because I know the devs themselves are not "out to get us" but that is simply how it works today. And I totally believe in the slippery slope scenario...a few years back something like the last capcom's streetfighter would have been inconceivable and presenting it as a possibility would have been laughed at but hey....there it is

[upsettingshorts]

You know what the trick is? Don't take it personally.