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[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Morroian wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

So what? Even if its part of that initiative it doesn't mean its cut content, it can still be planned, which means the game is still complete if you don't pre-order.

Sure, but in that case it could have also been ready for when the game goes into duplication and been on the disk as part of the retail release. 

Plain and simple, I realize DLC isn't going away, that doesn't mean I have to trumpet day 1 DLC as not being at least a tad bit of a shady marketing tactic.

[Dave of Canada]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Sure, but in that case it could have also been ready for when the game goes into duplication and been on the disk as part of the retail release. 

... but if it takes away funding from the DLC budget, it makes the staff work more after they did their part in DA2 and such, why should it come on the disk?

[Wicked 702]

JeCy108 wrote...

i really  dont see what all the fuss is about..

If you want the full game for a low price,..  just wait till everything is made and released to the final eddtion..  (1-2 years)


i find it funny when people pay more than this for a month of cell phone use, or a night out to dinner, yet *gasp,  How dare a game company charge 50 bucks and give us a bonus, that is gonna end up in the box eventually if you just wait a little bit.

i guess thats the new generation, I want it all, i want it now, and i want it for as cheap as i can..


So dont pre-order and hope enough people buy the game that they add on tons of goodies so down the road you can buy the full box with it all included....

Until it's confirmed either way that this "extra content" will actually be included in any Ultimate Edition you're just making an unsupported assumption like everyone on the other side is doing with the "they cut content from the game." Pure idiocy.

[Wicked 702]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Not really, the term was coined for about 5 people that go out of their way to defend Bioware on everything. Hell I wish more people would be snarky, the whole "Pollitically Correct" movement should die a firey death imo.

+25 Wicked Approval

[NKKKK]

As my favorite video game character says.

Wario: Greed is good.

Modifié par NKKKK, 28 octobre 2010 - 10:40 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Sure, but in that case it could have also been ready for when the game goes into duplication and been on the disk as part of the retail release. 

... but if it takes away funding from the DLC budget, it makes the staff work more after they did their part in DA2 and such, why should it come on the disk?

Honestly, If I'm paying 50-60 dollars for a game, I want as much content for that 50-60 dollars, expecting me to be happy about having to spend more money for content that quite possibly could have been in the retail day 1 version just isn't going to happen.

And lets be honest, most of Orgins' DLC sucked to begin with.

[John Epler]

Alright. Consider this a warning to cut out the personal insults now, please - on both sides of the argument. Referring to another person's post as 'pure idiocy' is not acceptable.



If you can't be respectful when you post, you won't be posting for very long. Plain and simple.

[Dave of Canada]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Honestly, If I'm paying 50-60 dollars for a game, I want as much content for that 50-60 dollars, expecting me to be happy about having to spend more money for content that quite possibly could have been in the retail day 1 version just isn't going to happen.

Then they delay it a month, make it seem like it wasn't ready on day 1. How's that?

--

They're making it for DLC or they aren't going to make it at all.

And lets be honest, most of Orgins' DLC sucked to begin with.

It did, however it was still worked on by some people and still consumed funds that needed to be regained.

[Wicked 702]

I'm not attempting to be inflammatory when I ask this.



Would, "Your statement is factual incorrect" have been acceptable?

[AtreiyaN7]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...


Not really, the term was coined for about 5 people that go out of their way to defend Bioware on everything. Hell I wish more people would be snarky, the whole "Pollitically Correct" movement should die a firey death imo.

Well, you seem to have lumped me in with the original group (and I remember seeing you use it on them first), so clearly you've expanded your focus from the initial five. You should hand out nametags like: "Hi, I'm _____ with the local chapter of the BDF!" so that we know who we all are...and THEN we will begin our master plan to...woops.

*shifty look*

For the record, I'm snarky too (obviously), and I'm not particularly PC, but I also believe in being civil and polite for the most part. I think political correctness can get out of hand. Even I pretty much facepalmed over those who wanted to call short people "vertically challenged" (and I say this as someone who IS short at 5'2" or so). I just don't think it's necessary to descend to mudslinging or hurling insults OR using derogatory language for the most part. I see enough of that crap on the daily news during election season, etc.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Merci357]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

The armory/item awards may be something completely different if they're not offered for every "new" copy sold, but again it remains to be seen what the situation will be with that. If they are indeed just for preorders before Jan, then sure thats a nice reward I suppose for blind faith in preordering a game quite a few people are nervous about the development direction and changes. But still I'll give them credit if thats the case.

I'm all for giving credit where it's due, like the incredible support NeverWinter Nights got post release was something very commendable for example.

Is it really blind faith to preorder now?
Honestly, I've placed my preorder after the latest trailer. I expect, like you said, the character to be included with normal retail copies as well, as part of project 10 dollar - like DA:O and ME2 did, it's the same pattern. I expect some purely optional/cosmetic items to remain exclusive to the signature edition, that's it.
But were is the blind faith in that? I can cancel my order or return the copy just in case bad reviews pop up a few days before release - americans will get the game two days before us europeans anyway, so if anything is seriously wrong with DA2, I can - and will - still act on that knowledge.

[Morroian]

crimzontearz wrote...

And the answeris .... because I WORK for one. Yes not a videogame company but one that provides 1 on 1 service to the public and retailing of certain product. The bottom line is ALWAYS to make more money. Every promotion we run is to be perceived as beneficial or rewarding to the customer but the truth is that it's there solely to retain business or increase it. If the promotion does not do that entirely to expectation it is removed even tho the clients might have loved it. All employees are told never to reveal anything to the client aside for the company line to make them feel like they are our SOLE concern (and because they'd be pissed if they knew the truth).

Having had this experience I just CAN'T take the devs words as golden truth because as much as I know they themselves are honest people I also know they work for a large company and as such they are subject to the same BS I am.

No-one denies BW are out to make money, but thats hardly a bad thing in that it keeps them in business making the games they want to make. The question was is offering a pre-order reward a dubious thing to do. That argument has been shot down in flames, its a common retail practice across industries and Bioware are being up front about it. You have a choice either pre-order or don't, simple. And in the process it also becomes a loyalty reward.

So some are now trying to make the argument about something else, that those who don't pre-order are getting an incomplete game and will have to pay for the pre-order bonus as DLC to get the 'complete' game. The devs have said this is not the case, that the content is developed alongside the main game and as I've been saying if you know you are going to offering rewards and DLC why would you not develop it from the start as additional content rather than put content in the main game and then have to cut it. So yes they are trying to make money but it doesn't have to be some dubious scheme to shaft the consumers.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Honestly, If I'm paying 50-60 dollars for a game, I want as much content for that 50-60 dollars, expecting me to be happy about having to spend more money for content that quite possibly could have been in the retail day 1 version just isn't going to happen.

Then they delay it a month, make it seem like it wasn't ready on day 1. How's that?

--

They're making it for DLC or they aren't going to make it at all.

And lets be honest, most of Orgins' DLC sucked to begin with.

It did, however it was still worked on by some people and still consumed funds that needed to be regained.

Fine by me, It's not like that doesn't happen in the industry now anyways. Either way, sadly full blown expansion packs are gone and suck DLC is the in thing to do.

If they can improve the quality this time out, I won't much complain, but given their track record with anything involving a short dev cycle, I'm certainly not going to hold my breath.

[NKKKK]

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright. Consider this a warning to cut out the personal insults now, please - on both sides of the argument. Referring to another person's post as 'pure idiocy' is not acceptable.

If you can't be respectful when you post, you won't be posting for very long. Plain and simple.

Wasn't me this time

[Wicked 702]

Merci357 wrote...

Is it really blind faith to preorder now?
Honestly, I've placed my preorder after the latest trailer. I expect, like you said, the character to be included with normal retail copies as well, as part of project 10 dollar - like DA:O and ME2 did, it's the same pattern. I expect some purely optional/cosmetic items to remain exclusive to the signature edition, that's it.
But were is the blind faith in that? I can cancel my order or return the copy just in case bad reviews pop up a few days before release - americans will get the game two days before us europeans anyway, so if anything is seriously wrong with DA2, I can - and will - still act on that knowledge.

Depends on what aspects of the game are most valuable & most annoying to you. I personally don't like a game being released with no less than three game-breaking bugs and then those bugs taking 9 months of "we're working on it, we promise" to fix.

Strictly a point of view issue. For those worried about technical quality, heck yeah it's blind faith. Bigtime.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Merci357 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

The armory/item awards may be something completely different if they're not offered for every "new" copy sold, but again it remains to be seen what the situation will be with that. If they are indeed just for preorders before Jan, then sure thats a nice reward I suppose for blind faith in preordering a game quite a few people are nervous about the development direction and changes. But still I'll give them credit if thats the case.

I'm all for giving credit where it's due, like the incredible support NeverWinter Nights got post release was something very commendable for example.

Is it really blind faith to preorder now?
Honestly, I've placed my preorder after the latest trailer. I expect, like you said, the character to be included with normal retail copies as well, as part of project 10 dollar - like DA:O and ME2 did, it's the same pattern. I expect some purely optional/cosmetic items to remain exclusive to the signature edition, that's it.
But were is the blind faith in that? I can cancel my order or return the copy just in case bad reviews pop up a few days before release - americans will get the game two days before us europeans anyway, so if anything is seriously wrong with DA2, I can - and will - still act on that knowledge.

The blind faith is based on the combat becoming possibly less tactical due to the removal of the over head camera options for the PC, the most likely lack of a toolset, that the leaked footage of exaggerated gameplay won't be much different from regular gameplay, if paraphrasing will be any better than how dreadful it worked with ME2 etc etc.

There's quite a few questions left unanswered for those that really enjoyed the type of experience Origins offered compared to the experience ME2 offered. It gets quite a bit more worrysome when every preview seems to mention ME2 like features in the same breath.

[Morroian]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The blind faith is based on the combat becoming possibly less tactical due to the removal of the over head camera options for the PC, the most likely lack of a toolset, that the leaked footage of exaggerated gameplay won't be much different from regular gameplay, if paraphrasing will be any better than how dreadful it worked with ME2 etc etc.

You mean its blind faith to ignore those questions and pre-order anyway? Disagree, maybe those questions simply don't bother them. The only thing of those that potentially bothers me is the overhead tactical view but they've stated there will be a tactical view of some kind.

[ErichHartmann]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The blind faith is based on the combat becoming possibly less tactical due to the removal of the over head camera options for the PC, the most likely lack of a toolset, that the leaked footage of exaggerated gameplay won't be much different from regular gameplay, if paraphrasing will be any better than how dreadful it worked with ME2 etc etc.

There's quite a few questions left unanswered for those that really enjoyed the type of experience Origins offered compared to the experience ME2 offered. It gets quite a bit more worrysome when every preview seems to mention ME2 like features in the same breath.

The only thing I get out of your post is you hate ME2.  Which solves nothing because many people like me love it.  And two different teams work on both games.  Seems like you are putting a little too much faith in these previews.       

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

If they can improve the quality this time out, I won't much complain, but given their track record with anything involving a short dev cycle, I'm certainly not going to hold my breath.

You would complain if you won free money.

[Cutlasskiwi]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Because if the extra character ties into project 10 dollar, then I'm sorry, calling it a planned reward is just marketing speak. Again I'm not saying they're cutting content on purpose, but given what we know with EA's new inititive to combat used sales, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it ended up being the case.

The armory/item awards may be something completely different if they're not offered for every "new" copy sold, but again it remains to be seen what the situation will be with that. If they are indeed just for preorders before Jan, then sure thats a nice reward I suppose for blind faith in preordering a game quite a few people are nervous about the development direction and changes. But still I'll give them credit if thats the case.

I'm all for giving credit where it's due, like the incredible support NeverWinter Nights got post release was something very commendable for example.

Is it really blind faith to preorder now?
Honestly, I've placed my preorder after the latest trailer. I expect, like you said, the character to be included with normal retail copies as well, as part of project 10 dollar - like DA:O and ME2 did, it's the same pattern. I expect some purely optional/cosmetic items to remain exclusive to the signature edition, that's it.
But were is the blind faith in that? I can cancel my order or return the copy just in case bad reviews pop up a few days before release - americans will get the game two days before us europeans anyway, so if anything is seriously wrong with DA2, I can - and will - still act on that knowledge.

The blind faith is based on the combat becoming possibly less tactical due to the removal of the over head camera options for the PC, the most likely lack of a toolset, that the leaked footage of exaggerated gameplay won't be much different from regular gameplay, if paraphrasing will be any better than how dreadful it worked with ME2 etc etc.

There's quite a few questions left unanswered for those that really enjoyed the type of experience Origins offered compared to the experience ME2 offered. It gets quite a bit more worrysome when every preview seems to mention ME2 like features in the same breath.

I loved both the experience Origins and ME2 offered. From what I've seen and read about DA2 so far I'm pretty sure I'll love it too. I preordered my copy before the 'Rises to power' trailer and I don't see it as bild faith. I am happy with my previous BioWare purchases, so to me preordering wasn't a big deal. Same as I subscribe to my morning newspaper, instead of checking it out in a store before buying it. I'll happily subscribe until that day I'm no longer happy with the product.  

[kyles3]

i don't have sixty dollars' worth of faith in anyone who's trying to sell me something. throw all the hooey and applesauce you want at me, pre-orders are for suckers.

Modifié par kyles3, 28 octobre 2010 - 11:33 .

[Dave of Canada]

kyles3 wrote...

i don't have sixty dollars' worth of faith in anyone who's trying to sell me something. throw all the hooey and applesauce you want at me, pre-orders are for suckers.

Then don't spend the 60$ on a preorder? It costs nothing at some stores and most of them may charge the low price of 5$, if you don't like it then cancel it.

[Lord_Valandil]

kyles3 wrote...

i don't have sixty dollars' worth of faith in anyone who's trying to sell me something. throw all the hooey and applesauce you want at me, pre-orders are for suckers.

Wow.
Well, sir, BOO-HOO. No extra content for you.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

kyles3 wrote...

i don't have sixty dollars' worth of faith in anyone who's trying to sell me something. throw all the hooey and applesauce you want at me, pre-orders are for suckers.

Wow.
Well, sir, BOO-HOO. No extra content for you.

He can have the extra content.  BioWare will simply have extra faith in the additional $20 he forks over to them.