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[ObserverStatus]

Maybe next Bioware is going to replace every instance of the word "regardless" with "irregardless" in the standard edition.

[Big Blue Car]

I'm worried about my favourite companies dwindling respect for it's customers and willingness to prioritise product earnings over product quality after being bought out by a larger corporation. If you like Bioware games you should worry about it too and if you're a smart human you should consider it worthy of discussion.

[Everwarden]

Maverick827 wrote...

And I can make an informed choice with the information we have so far: the story is still there, the tactical combat is still there, the class system is still there, the facegen is still there. It's not difficult.

No, you can't. It is not possible to make an informed purchasing decision on a game that isn't coming out for five months that you haven't played even a demo of. Literally. That's the definition of an 'informed' decision, to have the necessary information. 

[Maria Caliban]

"No skin off my teeth." - Walter the guard, DA:O

That said, BioWare is a shameless hussy. I always dress up in a trenchcoat with sunglasses and fedora when go out to buy one of their games.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:41 .

[Icinix]

Big Blue Car wrote...

I'm worried about my favourite companies dwindling respect for it's customers and willingness to prioritise product earnings over product quality after being bought out by a larger corporation. If you like Bioware games you should worry about it too and if you're a smart human you should consider it worthy of discussion.

Genuinely curious....how is this is a reduction in quality?  Beyond encouraging people to buy the game new and pre-ordering, I don't see how this relates to a reduction in the quality of DA2.

[ObserverStatus]

I think Bioware may be entering dangerous territory. I get the impression that standard and previously owned games are incomplete. Next are they going to start releasing atrociously glitched versions of their games and requiring a code to download a patch to fix it?

[Big Blue Car]

If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

[Merced256]

bobobo878 wrote...

I think Bioware may be entering dangerous territory. I get the impression that standard and previously owned games are incomplete. Next are they going to start releasing atrociously glitched versions of their games and requiring a code to download a patch to fix it?

Which, through extrapolation, is exactly how Microsoft handles piracy.

[Icinix]

Maria Caliban wrote...

"No skin off my teeth." - Walter the guard, DA:O

That said, BioWare is a shameless hussy. I always dress up in a trenchcoat with sunglasses and fedora when go out to buy one of their games.

MY GOD THAT WAS YOU??!!! I was wondering who that shady person was was with the pile of BioWare games...multiple copies as well.

Actually I have managed to double up on BioWare games.  I just bought Neverwinter again because GOG has it for 9.99 WOOT!..

I sicken myself.

[Icinix]

Big Blue Car wrote...

If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

But it did, and DA2 isn't missing any characters.  You just get an extra one if you jump on early.
This is an even simpler concept.

Hell for years 'Call in the next fifteen minutes...' has been used and no-one ever complained.

[AlanC9]

Big Blue Car wrote...

AlanC9 you are equivocating like crazy and for all those words have posted no more evidence than the last guy. Either your convoluted reasoning is correct or it's cynical marketing affecting the quality of the product, protip it's the latter.

You do know what "equivocating" means, don't you?

On the off chance you're just confused about where I stand, I'll explicitly state it. I consider managing a DLC separately from the main game to be not only a completely legitimate business practice, but the only sensible way to approach such a  project. I thought that position was obvious from my earlier post.

The way to make managing such a project "convoluted" would be to suddenly decide a couple of months before  the deadline that one of the characters has to be removed from the game for a DLC, and then make some poor bastards QA the whole thing again to make sure that the game isn't still expecting to find that character somewhere.

But yeah, I don't have evidence. It's possible that Bio's staffed by a bunch of idiots who go around making problems for themselves. Protip: they're not.

[Big Blue Car]

No, you see I wanted to wait for reviews before buying a game, so Mission wasn't in my KotOR.

Except she was, because KotOR didn't have an artificial differentiation between copies like DA2 will. And when that differentiation is based on blind faith purchasing and manipulative marketing it's worth complaining about if you consider yourself a fan.

Edit; AlanC9, compare Red Dead Redemption DLC to Dragon Age DLC. In RDR a polished, complete game was released and then high quality expansion material has been released at a reasonable price. The most recent being Undead Nightmare, which recreates the entire game world as a zombie apocalypse with an all new series of plot and sidemissions. In DA, every DLC besides Shale and maybe Warden's Keep was a massive rip off. And now Bioware are tying that philosophy into the main game. Make your own decision about which one sucks,

Modifié par Big Blue Car, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:57 .

[AlanC9]

Big Blue Car wrote...

If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Actually, this is a good example of why you don't want to manage projects the way you think Bio does. Cut Mission Vao out and the game can't be finished, until you've developed workarounds for most of Taris and various cutscenes.

[Taura-Tierno]

Big Blue Car wrote...

http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/

Pre-order the game on blind faith, before any real reviews or critical opinions are released, and you get free content. Don't and you won't.

It's the best method to trick fans into buying a product before they can make an informed choice about it I can think of.

If no one bought the game before they'd read any reviews to see if it's worth the money, who would review the game? It's not like everyone agrees with big sites like gamespot or ign. 

[ObserverStatus]

Icinix wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

But it did, and DA2 isn't missing any characters.  You just get an extra one if you jump on early.
This is an even simpler concept.
Hell for years 'Call in the next fifteen minutes...' has been used and no-one ever complained.

But if Bioware can decide that one of the characters in their games is extra content, what are they going to use for extra content in later games?  The ability to save?  Widescreen functionality?

[Icinix]

 Yeah, but you can still cancel your pre-order, change to store credit, or even get your money back.  I've never had a problem cancelling a pre-order once the game is out, they may give me a sten stern look but thats about it.  So if the game reviews come out and you don't like it, cancel.  But I see no issue, NONE whatsoever for rewarding people who pay full price and pre-order.  It's a damn fine reward for being first AND yes, even having a little faith in your game company.

Modifié par Icinix, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:59 .

[Big Blue Car]

Faith that Bioware's behaviour suggests is misplaced. If they have no faith in their product why should you.

[Patriciachr34]

...I'm sorry you feel bad.  (leaves thread)

[The Masked Rog]

Bioware is saying: "Hey, we developed this extra character in addition to the full featured game we have. He/She/It is priced x$ but if you preorder now, you have it free." Isn't it better than you always pay? They are offering you a separate product if you pre order another one.

[Stanley Woo]

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Sure, but KotOR also didn't have DLC where we could hypothetically offer Skippy the Ewok Jedi as a bonus follower in a pre-order, either.

[Big Blue Car]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Sure, but KotOR also didn't have DLC where we could hypothetically offer Skippy the Ewok Jedi as a bonus follower in a pre-order, either.

Well I'm sure you can manage a Special Edition re-release one of these days. One based more on smart marketing.

[The Masked Rog]

Big Blue Car wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Sure, but KotOR also didn't have DLC where we could hypothetically offer Skippy the Ewok Jedi as a bonus follower in a pre-order, either.

Well I'm sure you can manage a Special Edition re-release one of these days. One based more on smart marketing.

Could you please tell me why you think you are entitled to any dlc that is done pre-release?

[Maria Caliban]

I like that BioWare rewards people for pre-ordering.



You can make an informed decision before you read reviews based on BioWare making the game, the same team working on DA 2 as worked on DA:O, and the numerous previews. I'd suggest that this is more useful than many game reviews.



Publishing companies use special offers to get consumers to act in ways that benefit the company. This might be 'buy the game new' or 'preorder it.'

[Merced256]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Sure, but KotOR also didn't have DLC where we could hypothetically offer Skippy the Ewok Jedi as a bonus follower in a pre-order, either.

Well I'm sure you can manage a Special Edition re-release one of these days. One based more on smart marketing.

Could you please tell me why you think you are entitled to any dlc that is done pre-release?

Because he obvliously never played any of DAO's DLCs. Wait maybe he did and thats why he feels entitled, either scenario works.

[ObserverStatus]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Big Blue Car wrote...
If KotOR didn't have Mission, it would be reduced in quality. This is a simple concept.

Sure, but KotOR also didn't have DLC where we could hypothetically offer Skippy the Ewok Jedi as a bonus follower in a pre-order, either.

Well I'm sure you can manage a Special Edition re-release one of these days. One based more on smart marketing.

Could you please tell me why you think you are entitled to any dlc that is done pre-release?

I can't speak for Big Blue Car, but I feel entitled because I'm paying full price.  When I buy a car, I don't expect to have to pay extra for the passenger seat.