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[Zhijn]

Big Blue Car wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Lots of stuff that makes sense

Edit Zhijin, you try saving for med school! You'll start to appreciate saving the pennies! Also implying that someones opinions are invalid because they earn less money than you is deplorable fyi

Im not implying anything.

Was just a question to make sens of the rant against this dlc.
If you are on a budget where you wont be able to spend thouse exstra 5 to 15$ then ok i understand perfectly.

But as most of BioWare games im pretty sure this exstra DLC characters wont be needed to play and have a great o' time with DA2. And you can always save up the exstra bucks to get em at a later time.

[metal_dawn]

BigBlueCar, with all that righteous indignation, why don't you go somewhere and have an argument about something that matters?



It is already VERY CLEAR, that you can "pre-order" by placing a 5 dollar deposit at your local games store. You can then read the pre-release full product reviews, learn more than enough to spoil half the plot for yourself prior to it's release and make this "educated decision" to buy or not to buy, with plenty of time to still cancel your pre-order... It's not like I'm the first person to try tell you this. Why does it matter to you that the tail is trying to wag the dog that is the gaming industries supply chain?



Why don't you exercise your ability to self regulate, decide you are not buying the game and leave it at that? Can you not afford to buy this game at launch and are planning to buy a used copy several months down the road or you are bored and ****ing because you like to ****?

[Big Blue Car]

Always worth saving the exstra bucks.



I've made my point well enough, and the devs have responded to it and confirmed that they are smart people in a complex industry. The fact that they read what I wrote is enough for me.



But to reiterate, I don't object to preorder bonuses or even lackluster DLC. My problem is with exceptionally high quality DLC, like a Bioware character, being used as a marketing strategy.

[Wicked 702]

mopotter wrote...

This is so funny.    This is one of my favorite arguments for everything.  I've heard students say it when they don't like the grade they got in a class they only attend part of the time.  I'm paying your salary - I deserve an A.  I deserve to be personally called and informed that advising week starts next Monday.  I pay your salary.....  And at the bank I worked at - I pay your salary what do you mean your closing because there is 10' of snow out.  I want to come in and deposit my social security check.    The only thing that phase gets you is a polite I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

And as I've said before, I certainly like the idea of a character instead of a coin, but it really doesn't affect whether or not I'm going to pre-order a game.  I pre-ordered Fable 3 I didn't pre-order Fallout Las Vegas, I'm going to be playing both of these games.  

 

Yes, but either extreme is bad. On the one hand you have those that demand something or believe things should be done a certain way. They will never get their way because their one voice is meaningless. They are always hostile in this manner. But on the other end you have those that will mindlessly buy anything and everything thrown at them, without any prior consideration first. They act like they've been done a favor by being offered a product. They are hostile to those that do have considerations.

Is there a fair middle ground?

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Well, I can understand the OP's concerns...but honestly, Bioware has never made a single bad game!! I have faith in them.

[John Epler]

Folks, let's keep it polite and civil.



Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and they're entitled to discuss it without being attacked.

[NKKKK]

In a much less unpleasant way, Big Blue Car is basically saying what I'm saying.

[Beerfish]

The industry is merely catching up with most any other consumer industry that offer incentives to buy at certain times. Car dealerships have incentives to give out free option packages, certain types of financing or things like free gas cards if you purchase by a certain date. Whether it is right or wrong is debatable from various sides but BioWare or video game sellers are hardly the 1st seller to offer extras to get you to buy now rather than later. Of course all of this is meaningless if the person staunchly believes the company is holding something back that they feel they deserve.

[Morroian]

Big Blue Car wrote...

What people object to is the way that additional content is being used. A decent addition, like Rockstar's Undead Nightmare or Lair of the Shdowbroker, is great. It's a chance for the fans to get more of a game they enjoy and for developers to add more depth to the game and get revenue as they do it.

What you seem to be objecting to in this thread is a pre-order bonus given away for free. I really don't see how this is more objectionable than paid lacklustre DLC.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
I don't mind when they create DLC AFTER the game is finished, but I do mind removing portions of the game created before release and selling them separately.

Shale is a perfect example of a DLC that contained content that was originally in the game. The content was removed due to not having enough time/resources to finish it, but due to the delay in DAO's release, it was decided to finish the content and release it as DLC. Based on your post, you would prefer that the excised Shale content never see the light of day ever because it was originally in the main game!

Aside from that, I think we can manage our own time and resources and develop the content we need when we need to, thank you. We can't very well have developers just sitting around twiddling their thumbs just because of a perception that we're doing something inappropriate. Developers get restless.

Besides that, I vastly prefer DLC to be pre-planned. They have all of their actors, their writers, their designers on, er, set. You don't have suspiciously silent companions because they can't afford to hire all twelve squadmates for a few minutes worth of dialogue. Or worse--a completely stand alone adventure with nothing to do with the plot or characters excusing your Warden or Hawke or Shepard being stamped in there. That's what happens when DLC comes after.

DLC is planned on a different budget with a different team--it was made to be extra. On the other hand, if there were no DLC, there would be no Shale or Kasumi or Zaeed. They simply wouldn't exist. The game would feel no more or less complete to you. There just wouldn't be extra bonus content.

Me too.  I enjoyed the 2 dlc for ME2,but they would have been so much nicer if all of the voice actors had been there.

[NKKKK]

It's not that we deserve it or not, it's just very under-handed. The concept itself is fine it's basically this.



"We're offering a character with a questionable development process if you pre-order it"



I believe the character was meant to be in the game, others don't We'll just have to agree to disagree there.

[Carmen_Willow]

Merced256 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
i will buy this game regardless. Its dragon age.

I will buy the game irregardless.

is that even a word?

Irregardless is considered nonstandard by most dictionarys, particularly when writing  It first arose around 1912 and is considered a combination of regardless and irrespective. Arguments about its use go back and forth; however, in writing, regardless is still considered standard usage.

[mopotter]

NKKKK wrote...

Hey at least you're not going down the line of Fallout Broken Steel...yet.

 I liked Broken Steel.  It was the only reason I didn't throw Fall out into the trash can.  edit-  I don't really understand what you were trying to say.  

Modifié par mopotter, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:06 .

[elearon1]

Well, I intend to buy DA2 anyway, this merely insures that I'll preorder it before January 11th. Considering I was probably going to preorder it anyway it seems like I'm only gaining on this deal - go me!



And, seriously, this is the first time I have ever seen a preorder bonus I would actually get off my arse and grab the game for ... in the past preorder benefits have always seemed a joke to me and as often as not I'd just pass them up and sell them off in game. An additional character, however, is something I actually care about!

[kgaustad]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Oh, it's THIS thread again, people complaining about getting free stuff.

This

[Brockololly]

I for one am in favor of Valve's DLC model on the PC- you buy the game, they support it with loads of updates and free DLC. Hoooooooray.



I think much of the animosity towards early DLC is mostly how its often presented to the consumer. You just buy a $50 or $60 game and before you've even finished it you're seeing new content being pushed in your face. So you wonder, "Wait- why are they pushing more content when the game just came out? Why didn't they just include that with the base game?"



I understand for the reasons stated above that its not a simple matter of just plopping DLC on the disk the day before release, but I think its mostly a perception issue- that if you're too quick in shoving loads of extra content in someone's face too soon, or even before the game is out, then without knowing how the DLC process works, its easy to think as a consumer you're getting hosed over missing content that "should" have been in the game.

I think the relative amount of content and the length of the game may play a role too in that perception- if the game feels rushed, too short or incomplete and yet DLC is ready on Day 1, it induces the ol' skeptical face.

[NKKKK]

I liked Broken Steel. It was the only reason I didn't throw Fall out into the trash can.

Exactly. (I wish they would do the same with NV)

[Lord_Valandil]

Complainers gonna complain?

[Dave of Canada]

Brockololly wrote...

I for one am in favor of Valve's DLC model on the PC- you buy the game, they support it with loads of updates and free DLC. Hoooooooray.

But now they've opened a microtransaction shop and they are unable to give free content due to Microsoft on the 360.

[Vandrayke]

one thing I find odd is that people are okay with simple price discrimination in some industries, but object to different prices for actual content in others



nobody really complains that front row tickets to concerts cost more than normal tickets. why do so many people object to additional content offered at additional cost?

[kgaustad]

Big Blue Car wrote...

I'm worried about my favourite companies dwindling respect for it's customers and willingness to prioritise product earnings over product quality after being bought out by a larger corporation. If you like Bioware games you should worry about it too and if you're a smart human you should consider it worthy of discussion.

If Bioware really was losing respect for their customers most likely they would not respond to any of the threads on this site or just shut it down completely.  Instead they give the people who loved DA:O extras that do not have to be included and they could charge us for.  So how are the earnings becoming before the customer?  No one has to pre-order it, that is a choice. 

[Vandrayke]

how would people feel if the game came with all the content but you had to pay $80 for the game?

[Lord_Valandil]

Vandrayke wrote...

how would people feel if the game came with all the content but you had to pay $80 for the game?

Hmm...I don't know...


Wait, I do know!

They would complain.

[Morroian]

NKKKK wrote...

It's not that we deserve it or not, it's just very under-handed. The concept itself is fine it's basically this.

Underhanded when they publicise it up front months in advance? You really don't know what underhanded is if you think this is underhanded.

[Vandrayke]

New big studio games have been $50 since like 1994 at least



why shouldn't prices go up in 16 years?