In Retribution (a Mass Effect book taking place after ME2) and the new "Inquisition" Mass Effect comic book, Udina is the human Councilor. This would mean that either Udina was always the Councilor, or that Anderson stepped down or was otherwise removed from that position. Someone who's read the book/comics can probably clarify that for me.
Now if you've played ME1 you know that the player gets a choice at the end on who to recommend for Councilor - either Udina or Anderson, though this choice doesn't get recorded. If you save import into ME2, you get to choose again, and whomever you choose is made Councilor.
The question is, if Udina becomes the human Councilor *anyway,* no matter who you choose, why give us the choice in the first place? They could have easily not let the player recommend anyone at the end of ME1 and none of us would have been the wiser.
Also, how do you feel about this? Is it wrong for them to do this, to make Udina always be the new Councilor instead?
Does this make choosing Anderson the "wrong" choice, because Anderson ends up feeling dissatisfied and bored/frustrated with his job and steps down anyway?
Udina the Councilor *spoilers*
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 07:46
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It's a bit irritating, but it doesn't make me feel like I made the wrong decision.
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 07:50
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Anderson resigns?
Good.
OI BATARIANS! WANNA SMUGGLE A BOMB TO THE COUNCIL?!
Good.
OI BATARIANS! WANNA SMUGGLE A BOMB TO THE COUNCIL?!
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 07:51
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No matter what you pick Anderson is always unhappy with his position and he always complains.
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 08:37
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This.Mesina2 wrote...
Anderson resigns?
Good.
OI BATARIANS! WANNA SMUGGLE A BOMB TO THE COUNCIL?!
With Anderson gone from the picture, my Shepard has nothing keeping him from sacrificing another Council.
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 11:16
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If you play LOTSB, you can have Udina quit
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 11:19
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RattleSnake08 wrote...
If you play LOTSB, you can have Udina quit
Wat.
Mesina2 wrote...
Anderson resigns?
Good.
OI BATARIANS! WANNA SMUGGLE A BOMB TO THE COUNCIL?!
Seconded.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:20 .
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Posté 27 octobre 2010 - 11:21
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how?RattleSnake08 wrote...
If you play LOTSB, you can have Udina quit
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 12:27
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curly haired boy wrote...
how?RattleSnake08 wrote...
If you play LOTSB, you can have Udina quit
Please explain this theory.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 01:13
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I never put Anderson on the Council anyway - I'd never wish politics on someone I consider a friend, and even though Anderson was probably the better choice in practical terms, in how someone who wants a position of power is usually the least qualified for the job, I do think that putting a military man in a political post is also asking for trouble.
Anyway, the reason that the choice existed was probably because Retribution hadn't been written (probably hadn't even been outlined) when the choice was originally put in the game.
Anyway, the reason that the choice existed was probably because Retribution hadn't been written (probably hadn't even been outlined) when the choice was originally put in the game.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 01:34
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Angel-Shinkiro wrote...
curly haired boy wrote...
how?RattleSnake08 wrote...
If you play LOTSB, you can have Udina quit
Please explain this theory.
In one of the "investments" you can make, after you defeat the shadowbroker, you can choose to invest in a smear campaign against Udina, this puts Udina out of office.
My hypothesis; in ME3 niether Anderson nor Udina will be on the council, and the entire council will be replaced.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 01:52
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It doesn’t really bother me and I don't think it invalidates your choice. It would just be how they (bioware) decide to have things play out. It still says somthing about your character. Plus things don't always work out the way you expect.
It would only be slightly annoying if Anderson stepped down and things just continued like Anderson had never been councillor in the first place. There doesn’t need to be major differences but there should be some even if it’s just in dialogue or in how characters react to you. Like character development for Anderson or different reactions to you from Udina.
Tho obviously I would be happy if they did more than that.
It would only be slightly annoying if Anderson stepped down and things just continued like Anderson had never been councillor in the first place. There doesn’t need to be major differences but there should be some even if it’s just in dialogue or in how characters react to you. Like character development for Anderson or different reactions to you from Udina.
Tho obviously I would be happy if they did more than that.
Modifié par Manic Sheep, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 02:29
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It pisses me off because, well, dealing with Udina pisses me off, but at the same time, it's not like the entire galaxy has to revolve around whatever Shepard wants. If Anderson wants to quit, he wants to quit.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 02:56
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It doesn't really invalidate the choice. If Anderson as a character WANTS to resign or does stuff that gets him kicked out for whatever reason, that's stroy progression and I'm fine with that. Picking who leads the Council is a customization of the story of Shepard, not intergalactically shattering. Also for all we know, whether Anderson was your pick or Udina was yours all along can still personalize the story for you. Extra dialogue, maybe more options for whatever will happen next, etc.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 02:57
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I mean let's face it, Anderson HATES his job and would gladly give it to someone more capable or be fine with it if he felt he wasn't doing enough. He's a marine, do it right or not at all.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 02:59
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I would never want Anderson to be a councilor anyway, so his resignation meant nothing to me.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 03:31
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in canon Shepard does renegade for everything
pick a non import shepard and you'll see
pick a non import shepard and you'll see
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 04:21
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gethspy wrote...
in canon Shepard does renegade for everything
pick a non import shepard and you'll see
then in the books little " snippits" of info suggest Shep did mostly paragon things....
gotta love continuity.
Though I know they did the " mostly renegade" choices for the second game, because it left less loose ends, and detailed back stories and such that a new player would have no F'n clue about.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 05:22
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-No choice that can be decided by the player is canonical in one direction or the other. Canon is determined by external influences (i.e. if there were extended media down the road which established one history over another).
-The books could be considered "canonical" if you feel like it wrt to the council decision, but that's a fairly pointless description- ME: Retribution does not change the history of the player's game for ME3, and no player's runthrough of the games is any less valid than another's simply because Drew had to pick one line.
-"Default" is not "canon"
-The books could be considered "canonical" if you feel like it wrt to the council decision, but that's a fairly pointless description- ME: Retribution does not change the history of the player's game for ME3, and no player's runthrough of the games is any less valid than another's simply because Drew had to pick one line.
-"Default" is not "canon"
Modifié par Casuist, 28 octobre 2010 - 05:23 .
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 05:29
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Hell, if people were concerned about what is 'canon,' no one would play KOTOR with a female Revan. The advantage of a game like Mass Effect is that we make our own canon - we play the world as we want, not the way that someone else tells us to, regardless of what this or that person or group says. This isn't the Star Wars 'verse where the other sources need to adhere to one or another story path.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 05:56
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I quote from a different post:
"Either the events of Retribution do not exist if Anderson is made councilor or Udina as councilor has to be forced as canon. I'm thinking that the former is the route that is going to be taken with imports into ME3."
I do not think there is an established canon for there is nothing in ME3 assuming those events in Retribution naturally flow into the game with any dialogue or anything (ME3 doesn't even exist), as opposed to events like Ascension or Revelation with dialogue from Tali and Anderson (respectively). If when we get to play ME3 and there is something suggesting the contrary, then it is canon. Otherwise, I just see it as an isolated event provided Udina is made councilor.
"Either the events of Retribution do not exist if Anderson is made councilor or Udina as councilor has to be forced as canon. I'm thinking that the former is the route that is going to be taken with imports into ME3."
I do not think there is an established canon for there is nothing in ME3 assuming those events in Retribution naturally flow into the game with any dialogue or anything (ME3 doesn't even exist), as opposed to events like Ascension or Revelation with dialogue from Tali and Anderson (respectively). If when we get to play ME3 and there is something suggesting the contrary, then it is canon. Otherwise, I just see it as an isolated event provided Udina is made councilor.
Modifié par Spectre_907, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:04 .
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 06:26
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I would think distinct events that occur in the books are likely to have happened in-game- as the precedent has been set with respect to Saren, Anderson, and pretty much the entirety of ME: Ascension. Many of the key events in Retribution could have happened even with Anderson as councilor- and that's and easy way for the story to be adapted. Likewise with the comics...
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 06:32
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Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
In one of the "investments" you can make, after you defeat the shadowbroker, you can choose to invest in a smear campaign against Udina, this puts Udina out of office.
My hypothesis; in ME3 niether Anderson nor Udina will be on the council, and the entire council will be replaced.
While the picture shows Udina and other councilors, I don't think that investment even specified it was a council member, it just said a politician.
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Posté 28 octobre 2010 - 07:11
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There is no canon.gethspy wrote...
in canon Shepard does renegade for everything
pick a non import shepard and you'll see
Thats default Shepard and those choices are picked so noob players can play the game without the game referencing too many people they don't know/choices they never made.
The books said no such thing.MatronAdena wrote...
then in the books little " snippits" of info suggest Shep did mostly paragon things....
gotta love continuity.
