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[Hoki]

The battle with the Reaper Fleets will be one of galactic proportions.
Sure there will be missions where you run around with your squads pew pewing, but reapers aren't little critters, their emense Dreadnaughts themselves that are constructed to survive in absolute zero as well as extreme heat.

It took an alliance fleet to kill 1 reaper and there were heavy casualties. I'm fearful that what ME3 will be more 3man squad missions running around collecting upgrades for heavy pistols when you're supposed to face an armada of god-like ships.

I don't want to watch a movie of the final showdown. I want to maneuver a titan accross the killing fields, blasting the !#$%ing &*^% out of the reaper hordes.
Yes I know if the storyline takes us down a path of facing the reapers with glorious battle rather than something lame like planting a virus, or diplomacy, that will be casualties on an epic proportion. And thats why this is exactly how ME3 should play out. Epic, massive, glorious space war with Shepherd's flagship right in the %^&*ing middle of it.

We could get rid of the genophage and stockpile every allied vessel full of krogan elites, so when the reapers launch invasion squads to intercept the allied fleet, they are met with a krogan wall of mother*&^%er upgraded with +1 mother*&^%ing.

Modifié par Hoki, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Randy1012]

No. The Normandy is the perfect ship for Shepard.

[rpgmaniac]

Randy1083 wrote...

No. The Normandy is the perfect ship for Shepard.

^this

[Hoki]

The Normandy was perfect for little recon missions like have been done so far. The largest battle in ME universe has been with 1 reaper and it took the normandy + a fleet of military battleships to take it out.



Shepherd and crew attacking the reapers with the normandy will have Shepherd playing too small of a role. She needs to be in the middle of it, not doing another recon mission.

[Hoki]

Think, maybe she finds an ancient prothean ship building yard that has an almost completed dreadnaught class ship. Could park the normandy inside of it and have joker pilot.



The normandy was never meant to be a front-line military ship.

[docthe12th]

Shepard is not a general, (s)he's a team leader whose primary talent is Special Forces work. Spectre, commander, and Cerberus asset are all roles suited to that line of expertise. (S)he needs a relatively nimble ship for recon and insertion- based missions rather than, say, the Destiny Ascension. Shepard would more likely be involved in finding a way to disrupt/ incapacitate the Reapers than to face them head on... that's what the turian fleet is for.

[Randy1012]

Shepard doesn't need to be on a dreadnought to command a fleet. Not that he would, or should, command a fleet. If the Normandy does get into some fleet action in ME3, Shepard's part in the battle would more likely be boarding an important enemy ship and assaulting it from within.

[glacier1701]

 I wouldnt say that Shepard needs a dreadnaught but I dont think the SR2 is going to cut it if there is a major battle against a number of Reapers. I do think that there is going to be a showdown between Shepard and Harbinger and if it turns out we use the SR2 I'll be disappointed as that has nowhere near the ability to kill a Reaper.

[JRCHOharry]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Oh god I'd hate it if that was all true 

[Elyvern]

Give Garrus the Normandy, we get to play him a little like how we do with Joker in ME2, and then go back to the real space combat with Shepard on board a dreadnaught.

[Deturis90]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Oh god I'd hate it if that was all true 

This.
No more new "Normandy SR-3,4,5,6..." etc.

[Captain Crash]

No matter how many Dreadnoughts the entire Citadel Fleets have it wont be enough to defeat the Reapers. Shepard doesnt need a Dreadnought regardless. The Normandy as a frigate/light cruiser fits the function of his role as an operative.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I would like to see BioWare pull a Rex and have the original Normandy rebuilt-ish, but rather as rival Kaishley's personal Spectre frigate.

[Hoki]

Captain Crash wrote...

No matter how many Dreadnoughts the entire Citadel Fleets have it wont be enough to defeat the Reapers. Shepard doesnt need a Dreadnought regardless. The Normandy as a frigate/light cruiser fits the function of his role as an operative.

The combined forces of the entire galaxy would be enough. The citadel is just one of many. The quarians have the largest fleet, geth probably have an impressive fleet. Humans undoubtably have an impressive one cause of cerberus. The rachni queen could be pumping out babies like a factory.

Then Shepherd uncovers an ancient prothean ship.
Combine all of the fleets of the galaxy, shepherd commanding the flagship.

Would a spectre probably perform a recon role in a massive war? Sure, but thats boring when the greatest war ever waged is going on. Plus I think we've done enough breach and clear missions with Shepherd, its time to pull out the big guns and rock & roll. If ME3 ships with you just watching a 3min vid of an apocolyptic video of a war with the reapers, I'll be so dissappoint and so will you probably.

[marshalleck]

Hoki wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

No matter how many Dreadnoughts the entire Citadel Fleets have it wont be enough to defeat the Reapers. Shepard doesnt need a Dreadnought regardless. The Normandy as a frigate/light cruiser fits the function of his role as an operative.

The combined forces of the entire galaxy would be enough. The citadel is just one of many. The quarians have the largest fleet, geth probably have an impressive fleet. Humans undoubtably have an impressive one cause of cerberus. The rachni queen could be pumping out babies like a factory.

Then Shepherd uncovers an ancient prothean ship.
Combine all of the fleets of the galaxy, shepherd commanding the flagship.

Would a spectre probably perform a recon role in a massive war? Sure, but thats boring when the greatest war ever waged is going on. Plus I think we've done enough breach and clear missions with Shepherd, its time to pull out the big guns and rock & roll. If ME3 ships with you just watching a 3min vid of an apocolyptic video of a war with the reapers, I'll be so dissappoint and so will you probably.

The quarian fleet may be large, but it's also rag-tag and nearly coming apart. Some of the ships are 300 years old. They have little value beyond protecting themselves from curious outsiders getting too close in personal shuttles. 

Read the codex about conventional naval battles in space. All dreadnoughts do is park at several thousand kilometers away from other dreadnoughts and hammer away at each other, or do orbital bombardment on stationary targets. A reaper would chew through one like nothing. Fun fact: the battle of the Citadel, where the cruisers get wiped by Sovereign, were supposed to be dreadnoughts. There was apparently a mixup and the design for cruisers were used by the artists instead. You can clearly see how Bioware intended dreadnoughts to fare against a single Reaper, though.

This isn't a fight Shepard is going to win with brute strength, which is why he needs the Normandy. It's fast, stealthy, and has a fair amount of defense against any Reaper cyberwarfare attacks, unlike any other conventional ship in the galaxy. 

[Hoki]

Oh so Sheperd is supposed to one-man-army a fleet of reapers? Is that what you want the climax of ME3 to be? Shepherd infiltrates reaper hive-mind -> plants virus -> roll credits. BOOOOOOOO!



Reapers aren't invincible. We saw one killed at the citadel and that had tons of casualties because they were rushing to save the council. Enough firepower takes them down. There was another dead one orbiting that star, what killed that one? Perhaps the protheans killed it, but their fleet was too divided to have an effective enough defense.

Shepherd, Zaeed, and Jack aborted a reaper fetus by themselves.(for me)



The climax should not be just about Shepherd soloing the reaper fleet with super-duper ace up her sleeve. This should be a battle with tremendous bloodshed, an entire galaxy is fighting for its survival, to end the endless cycle of extinction.



I'm not saying the normandy wouldn't play a role, of course it would. But perhaps more of an intercepter role.

Maybe shepherd takes a skeleton crew on the normandy and does some spectre stuff, shutting down a key reaper defense, but then maybe thats it for shepherd and joker, their sitting ducks and dead meat.

...

Unless -> the original human spectre black man guy saves their asses. NOW you play as the fleet admiral racing to save the normandy. And then maybe the normandy only survives based on the missions/upgrades whatever. I don't really care, I just don't want to be confined to just another breach and clear mission while the real action is experienced through a 3 minute ending video.



I want a 10 minute long battle with exploding reapers, exploding exploding allies, and if poorer I perform (aka my aim sucks or I kill too slowly), the more allied ships explode around me. I want every one of the ships in combat to have names, with crews that have names.



No amount of perfect gameplay decisions should come ANYWHERE CLOSE to a "no man left behind" ending without great sacrifice this war of wars has no meaning.

"Oh, a race of god ships that have been wiping out galactic civilizations for billions of years, no worries, we've got Shepherd!". <-- None of that.



I'd also like a co-op mode for this final battle where we can repeatedly play it over and over again online, I want it to be so much fun that you want to play it over and over again because its just so awesome. Not some 3min video.

[Dean_the_Young]

If you're taking Shepard out of the Normandy, why not put them on a Fighter Carrier?

[Angel-Shinkiro]

The Normandy can dodge the enemy fire, thats how it survived the Battle of the Citadel and the Battle of the Collector Base. If they give the Normandy more firepower then it could probaly take out a few ships without getting damaged.

Also the SR-1 only got destroyed because Bioware wanted it to. Just look how Joker was trying to dodge the Collectors in the 3-D vast exspanse of space:
Skip to 2:40 www.youtube.com/watch 

Compared to the suicide mission where the ship is supposed to live. Just look at all those fancy moves Joker pulls of:  www.youtube.com/watch

So its up to whatever Bioware wants.

Modifié par Angel-Shinkiro, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:41 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Randy1083 wrote...

No. The Normandy is the perfect ship for Shepard.

True, which is why in the opening sequence of ME3, the SR2 will get blown up and eventually replaced by the SR3, which will be a dreadnought-sized Normandy.

What has happened before will happen again. The cycle will never be broken.

[wolf99000]

you don't need a dreadnought with all the updates the Normandy had in me2 it is just about the most powerful ship in the universe I mean it took out the collector ship in 2 shots the only other ship I would like to see shepard on is her mums if you have that background

[fongiel24]

How would gameplay work in ME3 if Shepard is given a dreadnought to command? Bioware is an RPG company, not a RTS or a TBS company.

Having Shepard take command of a dreadnought would require them to develop a whole new, fully fleshed out mode of gameplay from a genre they have no experience with, all for a ten minute battle. I can't see that ending well.

Has anybody else played Empire: Total War, when Creative Assembly, an actual RTS company, tried to implement naval warfare with 17th-19th century ships of the line pounding on each other with cannons (much like how ME dreadnoughts are described as fighting)? They ended up with a pretty looking game mode that was clumsy, difficult to play, and not much fun. Whatever Bioware came up with would likely be even worse. They'd either have to hire a bunch of new people or bring in another game developer to help them.

I'd much rather have Shepard continue with the squad-based, quasi-RPG gameplay with the space battle being told through cutscenes.

Modifié par fongiel24, 28 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .

[Lunatic LK47]

fongiel24 wrote...

How would gameplay work in ME3 if Shepard is given a dreadnought to command? Bioware is an RPG company, not a RTS or a TBS company.

Having Shepard take command of a dreadnought would require them to develop a whole new, fully fleshed out mode of gameplay from a genre they have no experience with, all for a ten minute battle. I can't see that ending well.

Has anybody else played Empire: Total War, when Creative Assembly, an actual RTS company, tried to implement naval warfare with 17th-19th century ships of the line pounding on each other with cannons (much like how ME dreadnoughts are described as fighting)? They ended up with a pretty looking game mode that was clumsy, difficult to play, and not much fun. Whatever Bioware came up with would likely be even worse. They'd either have to hire a bunch of new people or bring in another game developer to help them.

I'd much rather have Shepard continue with the squad-based, quasi-RPG gameplay with the space battle being told through cutscenes.

If I had a medal to give and knew you in person, I'd be more than happy to pin it on you.

[DynamiteDK92]

Hoki wrote...
Would a spectre probably perform a recon role in a massive war? Sure, but thats boring when the greatest war ever waged is going on. Plus I think we've done enough breach and clear missions with Shepherd, its time to pull out the big guns and rock & roll. If ME3 ships with you just watching a 3min vid of an apocolyptic video of a war with the reapers, I'll be so dissappoint and so will you probably.

Indeed. I would prefer if the video was between 5 and 10 minutes long.

[wolf99000]

well during the war with the krogan spectre did do recon they also stuff sabotaging power and communications as well assassinations they are more special forces not front line infantry while Shepard is not your normal
spectre it does bring up one problem the reapers dont really have a land army unless they have another race working for them in 3

Modifié par wolf99000, 28 octobre 2010 - 02:57 .