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[forestsavage]

Only if it's the Leviathan of Dis and EDI can come along for the ride. Better to keep the new Normandy and upgrade EDI's hardware and link Shepard to her as tech backup.

[Moiaussi]

Wizz wrote...

I mean, if Bioware wants Normandy to dodge, it will.

 
Yes, but if Bioware wants a planet to dodge, it will. Scripts can defend a dreadnaught as easily as a frigate.

Even non-upgraded it took two hits to take down the SR-1, and that was at point blank. The collectors were conveniently wimpy.

[Angel-Shinkiro]

Unless Reapers have anti-fighter weapons, frigates and fighters make more sense to attack the reapers with because they can dodge their weapons quite easily and then use their own weapons to attack the Reapers, while dreadnoughts will be big targets that I can garuantee will get hit.

Also the GARDIAN anti-missile and anti-fighter lasers which are ONLY EMPLOYED ON FRIGATES(at least in the Systems Alliance) can go straight through kinetic barriers and attack the hull of a ship. So the Normandy which also has these lasers can use them on the Reapers, but why they haven't used them yet is unknown to me.

Modifié par Angel-Shinkiro, 01 novembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Sinapus]

I've got it! We get some idol singer(s) to sing J-pop over the Reaper's communications and blast them while they're confused. We need a big cool-looking dreadnought to act as a stage.

Or maybe I need to get some more sleep and stop having flashbacks to Macross.

[Moiaussi]

Sinapus wrote...

I've got it! We get some idol singer(s) to sing J-pop over the Reaper's communications and blast them while they're confused. We need a big cool-looking dreadnought to act as a stage.

Or maybe I need to get some more sleep and stop having flashbacks to Macross.

NO! No Minmay!! Lol

[Moiaussi]

Angel-Shinkiro wrote...

Unless Reapers have anti-fighter weapons, frigates and fighters make more sense to attack the reapers with because they can dodge their weapons quite easily and then use their own weapons to attack the Reapers, while dreadnoughts will be big targets that I can garuantee will get hit.

Also the GARDIAN anti-missile and anti-fighter lasers which are ONLY EMPLOYED ON FRIGATES(at least in the Systems Alliance) can go straight through kinetic barriers and attack the hull of a ship. So the Normandy which also has these lasers can use them on the Reapers, but why they haven't used them yet is unknown to me.

Again with the assumptions. The Reapers could have other anti-EM spectrum weapons shielding, but the real problem with EM spectrum weapons such as lasers is that the energy dissipates very rapidly with distance.

Why such defensive systems would only be mounted on frigates is mostly questionable writing.

[SetsunaF]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Another ship change? Nah. Once is enough.

Or something along the lines of finding "The Leviathan of Dis" and EDI assimilating the Normandy with it. The backstory could be that it was created by the same race that took out the Reaper at the brown dwarf. The same way the protheans created the conduit, they would have created a mini reaper at a secret facility by studing recovered tech before they were attacked. Where the story goes from there...

[Hoki]

SetsunaF wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Another ship change? Nah. Once is enough.

Or something along the lines of finding "The Leviathan of Dis" and EDI assimilating the Normandy with it. The backstory could be that it was created by the same race that took out the Reaper at the brown dwarf. The same way the protheans created the conduit, they would have created a mini reaper at a secret facility by studing recovered tech before they were attacked. Where the story goes from there...

Dis is what i'm talking about. Something killed that reaper. What was it?

There could potentially be stuff much older than the protheans still hidden throughout the galaxy. The cyle has repeated itself more times than we can fathom, and the last time it happened they missed Ilos, they have got to have missed others as well. The reapers probably dont dredge the entire galaxy during harvest season, there may be an entire fleet out there somewhere.

[GordonNoob2010]

As much as I like capital ships, Normandy really is the ship for Shepard. He doesn't need a capital ship. Normandy 2.5 will do fine, especially since humanity now controls the Omega 4 Relay which has the remnants of ships from every single civilization that has ever existed. The salvaged tech from those ships, as well as the unimaginable material wealth, would make like a million upgrades for the existing normandy.

Modifié par GordonNoob2010, 01 novembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Gabey5]

i like the sound of this

[Angel-Shinkiro]

Moiaussi wrote...

Angel-Shinkiro wrote...

Unless Reapers have anti-fighter weapons, frigates and fighters make more sense to attack the reapers with because they can dodge their weapons quite easily and then use their own weapons to attack the Reapers, while dreadnoughts will be big targets that I can garuantee will get hit.

Also the GARDIAN anti-missile and anti-fighter lasers which are ONLY EMPLOYED ON FRIGATES(at least in the Systems Alliance) can go straight through kinetic barriers and attack the hull of a ship. So the Normandy which also has these lasers can use them on the Reapers, but why they haven't used them yet is unknown to me.

Again with the assumptions. The Reapers could have other anti-EM spectrum weapons shielding, but the real problem with EM spectrum weapons such as lasers is that the energy dissipates very rapidly with distance.

Why such defensive systems would only be mounted on frigates is mostly questionable writing.

What assumption did I make other than saying the Reapers might not have anti-fighter weapons, please tell me?

Maybe the Reapers do have anti-EM spectrum weapons shielding but we have never seen any evidence of it, so lasers are still a possibilty.

but the real problem with EM spectrum weapons such as lasers is that the energy dissipates very rapidly with distance

That is why they are on frigates; frigates go in close so they don't have to worry about the laser dissipating.

So until proven otherwise, frigates are the best ships to use against the Reapers because of their ability to dodge the weapon fire then use their own weapons in close range.

[Hoki]

^^ The normany has been very fortunate that nobody reapers and collectors don't carry missiles.
Also people seem to be imagining WW2 or older when they talk about "dodging". Modern navies can shoot down missiles with auto-targetting auto-stabilized phalanx turrets.


Dodge these!

http://www.youtube.com/v/prNhzbqlZ4Q

[Moiaussi]

Hoki wrote...

^^ The normany has been very fortunate that nobody reapers and collectors don't carry missiles.
Also people seem to be imagining WW2 or older when they talk about "dodging". Modern navies can shoot down missiles with auto-targetting auto-stabilized phalanx turrets.

Seriously. If 'dodging' was that effective, the anti-missile anti-fighter systems would be pretty much useless. The targets would be smaller and faster and simply dodge better.

[Stazro]

I can't really picture Shepard as a fleet commander. If you think about it, he doesn't really have experience with commanding ships. He comes from the alliance equivalent of special forces and that's what he is good at: commanding small teams on the ground. His experience as a ship's commander though is limited, the only evidence of ship on ship action we have are the encounters with the collector ship. Sure, Shepard would be the one who brought the forces together, but as commander of a fleet I'd rather take Admiral Hackett, who I trust knows what he's doing.
Also, I believe it would fit better into the concept, if while the battle rages, Shepard had some special assignment of vital importance - be it on foot or on the Normandy (or whatever sneaky and quick frigate, fitting the special needs of a special tactics guy) rather than leading the fleet (just like in ME1).

Edit: Something I forgot. I wouldn't feel comfortable if the series suddenly turned into a strategy game. We already have an RPG-TPS hybrid, we shouldn't overstretch it

Modifié par Stazro, 03 novembre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Shep : " So joker how do you like our new ship huh huh?

Joker : "It's a freaking brick in space i wonder why they even have pilots on these things, A point and click interface would be just as efficient and don't make me mention.."

Shep : "you sourpuss!"

Joker -grumbles- : "so where you up to now commander?"

Shep : "Going to talk to Tali *sigh*"

Joker -laughing- : "That's 800 meters aft and 6 levels down..have a great trek!"

Shep -grumbles- : "I spend more time running around on this floating hotel in space than doing actual missions these days".

Joker : "Suuure miss the old Normandy now"...

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 03 novembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Hoki]

soo.. getting the job done is less important than how much the crew likes the ship?



I'm saying that we're about to have to fight A LOT OF REAPERS.



LOTS. I don't think sniper rifles and Heavy Pull are going to have the same effect on a reaper that they do on tiny organics. Thus, shepard not really going to have anything to "breach and clear" in a battlefield full of reapers.



Use the right tool for the job. You don't have to fly the dread for every mission, but use the right tool for the job. We're going to need some increadible firepower to overcome the reapers.

[fongiel24]

I don't think it's going to be possible to outgun the Reapers, no matter how many dreadnoughts Shepard has on his side. In total, the Council races combined have less than 100 dreadnoughts (the turians have the most and their fleet possesses only 39). In a straight fight, the Reapers will wipe the floor with any opposition. Shepard and his crew will likely have to take down the Reapers from inside, making a small, stealthy vessel of more value than a ponderous capital ship.

[Stazro]

fongiel24 wrote...

I don't think it's going to be possible to outgun the Reapers, no matter how many dreadnoughts Shepard has on his side. In total, the Council races combined have less than 100 dreadnoughts (the turians have the most and their fleet possesses only 39). In a straight fight, the Reapers will wipe the floor with any opposition. Shepard and his crew will likely have to take down the Reapers from inside, making a small, stealthy vessel of more value than a ponderous capital ship.

This. There's no way the council races could gather enough firepower to stand up to hundreds of reapers at once. As I said before, I can imagine some kind of surgical strike - although I have no idea how that would look - Shepard has to execute, while perhaps the fleets fight a battle they can't win, in order to distract the reapers.

[Moiaussi]

Stazro wrote...

This. There's no way the council races could gather enough firepower to stand up to hundreds of reapers at once. As I said before, I can imagine some kind of surgical strike - although I have no idea how that would look - Shepard has to execute, while perhaps the fleets fight a battle they can't win, in order to distract the reapers.

If the refits were all as bizzarely easy as the refits to the Normandy (all done in the field, no drydock, no special parts, not even on planet), then simply finding a viable weapon might be enough. The Geth alone are rated at 5000 to 10000 ships. The Council (now including the Alliance) are likely at least comperable.

Not saying that is neccessary the best way for the plot to go, but it is theoretically possible.

There are all sorts of surgical strikes that could be potentially war winning without being too gimmicky. Cut off communications, take control of the relays (or figure out how to), find 'the weapon' or 'the weakness'... perhaps each and every reaper has an unguarded exhaust port? lol. The trick will be for the writers to find an answer that lets the fleets retain importance without rendering Shep unimportant.

My main criticism of ME2 is still that unlike ME1, there is nothing Shepard did that couldn't have been handled better by a fleet than by a stealth frigate with the possible exception of Legion's loyalty mission.

[LordPennlocke]

Rebuild the Death Star and give it to Shepard. Superlaser > Reapers

[Stazro]

Moiaussi wrote...
There are all sorts of surgical strikes that could be potentially war winning without being too gimmicky. Cut off communications, take control of the relays (or figure out how to), find 'the weapon' or 'the weakness'... perhaps each and every reaper has an unguarded exhaust port? lol. The trick will be for the writers to find an answer that lets the fleets retain importance without rendering Shep unimportant.

Perhaps we'll find out about the creator of the reapers and retrieve the shutdown code just in time

My main criticism of ME2 is still that unlike ME1, there is nothing Shepard did that couldn't have been handled better by a fleet than by a stealth frigate with the possible exception of Legion's loyalty mission.

I think their handle is, none of the fleets would do that, despite being able to.

[General User]

Why can't a missile have an FTL drive? Can anyone explain that? Cause I'm stumped. I mean it seems perfect, since Mass Effect doesn't have FTL sensors, the targets of such a missile would (in theory) be destroyed before they realized they were under attack. Even the Reapers, who are easy prey when their barriers are down.

[fongiel24]

General User wrote...

Why can't a missile have an FTL drive? Can anyone explain that? Cause I'm stumped. I mean it seems perfect, since Mass Effect doesn't have FTL sensors, the targets of such a missile would (in theory) be destroyed before they realized they were under attack. Even the Reapers, who are easy prey when their barriers are down.

I think it has to do with the fact that if the missile needed an FTL drive to get to the target, the target is likely beyond detection range for the firing craft. Even if the missiles were blind fired in the general direction of where the shooter thinks the enemy is, the missile would still have to drop out of FTL to find and engage targets. Missiles would need FTL sensors to directly engage targets at FTL speeds.