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[nightcobra]

 Let's all discuss isabela for who she is and not how she looks, how about that for a thread premise?

this thread is for the people who want to discuss and speculate the character of Isabella and her involvement in the story of DA2 and not to discuss about her appearance.

i for one am hoping to see her ship and meet her crew if we get the chance.






A bit of info on isabela's personality from Sheryl


me: Out of curiosity, was it challenging to write for isabela even though it must have been fun as heck?

Sheryl:Not really. She has a very assertive personality that she likes to beat me over the head with. So it's easy to know what she's going to do in almost all situations.

me:i imagine her as a double crosser to her clients but loyal to her friends and crew, is that a fair assessment of her personality/behaviour?

Sheryl:Hmmmm... sort of? I can say she's unpredictable and doesn't make friends easily. 

me:well apparently she gets along with varric XD who wouldn't anyway? 

Sheryl:Oh, yeah, she gets along with everyone, and she's friendly, but that could be on the surface, no?

me:hmm....interesting so maybe is she putting on a friendly mask while on the inside she's very manipulative?

Sheryl:I wouldn't say manipulative really. Manipulation requires planning, and Isabela doesn't think longterm.

me:oh so she's more impulsive then, good to know. 
like a "live for the moment" type of character i'm guessing.

Sheryl:That's a good description.

me:that must be why her crew loves her so much, they never get a dull moment so the fun never stops.

Sheryl:Hehe, you could say that.




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Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:39 .

[Tranceptor]

So many threads for one character. . . .

Hope they reveal another character soon, you know for variety.

Modifié par Tranceptor, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[nightcobra]

i'm trying to make this one The thread for Isabela, it's gonna take some work but i hope to get some support

[Aermas]

I think you meet her as you leave Denirum setting sail for Kirkwall

[grillzzzzzzzzzz]

any girl involved in a 4 way has my vote

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Aermas wrote...

I think you meet her as you leave Denirum setting sail for Kirkwall

The thing is, as far as we know, the Hawkes are heading for Gwaren.

[Russalka]

Let us hope this one does not get locked, various threads about her are appearing like mushrooms after a rain.

I was actually thinking about how her ship and crew could affect the storyline. Maybe there will be trips? Maybe she had mutiny and was thrown off?

EDIT: We have official approval.

Modifié par Russalka, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Collider]

Reposting because the other thread got locked:



Here's an interesting thing to consider - Isabela is the first romanceable character that we're aware of in DA2 and has been featured in the trailers prominently. It may be safe to say, in light of that, that she might be the "lead female" of the party.



Typically, the lead female and lead male of Bioware games are exclusively heterosexual.



Bastila & Carth

Ashley & Kaidan

Morrigan & Alistair

Miranda & Jacob



etc and so forth.



But in DA:O, unless I'm mistaken, Isabela flirts with female characters as well, yes? So unless you count Liara, this could be the first time in Bioware games a lead female or male is not exclusively heterosexual.



This is of particular note because the lead female/male tend to be less (if not entirely necessary) optional than other characters. For example, Juhani was optional, but Bastila wasn't. Leliana and Zevran were both optional, but Alistair wasn't (and Morrigan still shows up at the end anyway even if you told her to leave).

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try and keep this thread civil and free of the juvenile bickering and tittering that got the other Isabela threads locked, please. thank you.

[dan107]

Since the other thread got locked, I'll repost this here. This post deserves to be seen.

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider
wrote...

There's always going to be a few people that complain, but judging from the overall response (and filtering out the ones that post on the subject over and over again) I'd say the response to Isabela has been quite positive.

If i may suggest something... could you check the threads discussing individual characters revealed so far, but instead of the yay/nay tally focus on whether there's certain specific features of these characters that get mentioned more often than others?

I'd guesstimate that you're bound to notice a common theme, and that's people pointing out these characters quite universally display exaggerated chins/jaws (which is a side effect of their noses being disproportionally small, and as result the lips being placed too high up, leaving too large area underneath)

Now, you'd likely point out that it's not something universally disliked, and quite a few people just opt to rib the characters for that feature in good-natured manner, some others also happen to like it. However, my question is this -- have you actually designed all these characters with this exact reaction in mind? In other words, was it intended to draw the players' attention to this particular detail?

Now, whether that's actually intended, a followup question arises -- do you consider it a positive that such generally minor and unimportant feature can apparently --due to being an oddity-- draw disproportionate amount of attention from the viewers? I mean, wouldn't you rather that attention to be given to the rest of your work which actually deserves it, and that is the world and character designs on the whole? As such, wouldn't the game be actually better off if these rough edges were polished to remove or at least reduce the uncanny valley reaction from people who get to see your work for the first time?

Personally, I think she looks great

With all due respect, have you considered that your opinion can be at this point skewed by prolonged exposure to these designs? You're a writer so i'm sure you're intimately familiar with this effect -- after spending long hours working with something, we grow to tune out details which are somewhat off, to the point where we no longer notice them. But for a fresh viewer these details stand out so much, it can leave them with mouth agape and scratching their head asking "how could anyone not see it? It's so obvious".

I guess we could go for the blandly attractive cover girl as the ideal, sure, but we'd rather not-- and that wouldn't stop the nit-picking anyhow, so why bother?

That is a curious argument, considering pretty much all of your game is otherwise built in way to make it attractive to as large group of potential customers if possible. You could just as well go for psychedelic textures, poorly optimized game engine, off-key music and VA performance that'd grate on the ears, since someone is going to nitpick these things anyhow so why bother indeed? And yet you do, don't you? So why an exception here?

Note, i think this argument of yours is also posed in loaded manner -- why does it have to be "blandly attractive" cover girl as the ideal, as opposed to it being characters (of both genders) who are simply proportional enough not to trigger the sense something is off about them in the viewer? Do you think characterscan't be just "attractive" if they look like a normal human being, without unnaturaly exaggerated features?

Modifié par dan107, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:27 .

[the_one_54321]

Like I said before, not changing my tone. Just moving it.



As much as I hate to encourage the kinds of posts that this came from, an excellent point was made elsewhere in that it is pretty silly to call her "not a classic beauty, but that's a good thing" when at the very same time her body model has Double D's and quite a voluptuous figure.

[Russalka]

Could Isabella's ship be the one that carries the Hawke family to the Free Marches?

EDIT: This just has to get back to appearance, does it not? <_<

Modifié par Russalka, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:05 .

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:10 .

[Revan312]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:10 .

[nightcobra]

dan, let's try to keep the appearance discussion to a minimum alright? please?

[the_one_54321]

Just because they don't want it to be negative doesn't mean our opinions are going to change.

[Collider]

Okay, let me also repost this:

I'm just curious. If we don't like Isabela's sexual practices or finds them unappealing in terms of a romanceable character, does that make us hateful of the idea of a "empowered independent woman"?

[TheChris92]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:10 .

[grillzzzzzzzzzz]

i might be wrong but when my fem did the threesome with Alistair it was my Warden that did the flirting and she just went along.



Anyway we dont know enough about Isabela yet to judge her. She could of slept with the warden for a reason who knows.

[the_one_54321]

Almost as many people seem to dislike as to like. It's as simple as that, really. If you want to talk about here you're going to get as many people disliking as liking.

[Russalka]

Clearly we all disagree on the appearance, but if it only serves to cause arguments, why bring this to a thread of positive discussion?

[LiquidGrape]

Collider wrote...

But in DA:O, unless I'm mistaken, Isabela flirts with female characters as well, yes? So unless you count Liara, this could be the first time in Bioware games a lead female or male is not exclusively heterosexual.
 

I do hope they won't cop out on Isabela. Her preferences are quite lucidly established in the original game, and any attempt to alter that aspect of her would be terribly offensive at best.
I remain mildly optimistic, however. I trust the writing and characterisation will hold up, considering how solid it was in Origins.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Revan312]

Russalka wrote...

Could Isabella's ship be the one that carries the Hawke family to the Free Marches?

I wouldn't doubt it, it would give her room to stretch her character's legs so to speak in a development sence.  I just hope they don't retcon her sexuality and have her be hetero, that's what made her Isabela to a degree, complete sexual openess, which could cause quite a few awkward and hilarious convos between her and your sister..

Modifié par Revan312, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:09 .

[dan107]

Russalka wrote...

Clearly we all disagree on the appearance, but if it only serves to cause arguments, why bring this to a thread of positive discussion?

Because the thread of unbiased discussion got locked? And so did the Isabela is a skank thread.