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[tmp7704]

jlb524 wrote...

I see what you are saying.  The stereotype/cliche being the man eventually tames the wild woman, correct?

Aye; with the male Hawke i don't think it'd be possible to avoid creating such impression at least for some viewers, even if there was no intention at all to bring this angle into the picture.

[crimzontearz]

some people see what they want to see. Some people just flat out love that idea/stereotype

[Maria Caliban]

Gah! I hope I won't have to 'tame' her to have a real relationship with her.



If my PC hooks up with a tiger, it's not because she's looking for a housecat.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gah! I hope I won't have to 'tame' her to have a real relationship with her.

If my PC hooks up with a tiger, it's not because she's looking for a housecat.

Seconded. Deep emotional attachment and "Honey! I'm home, and I brought... friends!" plz. Or whatever her usual habits are.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:52 .

[jlb524]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gah! I hope I won't have to 'tame' her to have a real relationship with her.

If my PC hooks up with a tiger, it's not because she's looking for a housecat.

Seconded. Deep emotional attachment and "Honey! I'm home, and I brought... friends!" plz.

Thirded.

She must keep that fire.

[crimzontearz]

depends on the "friends"



I happen to be a rather possessive guy



also...surrender over taming ftw...

[Atakuma]

No thanks. I'm not interested having an open relationship.

Modifié par Atakuma, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:56 .

[jlb524]

crimzontearz wrote...

also...surrender over taming ftw...

Whatever it's called I want none of it.  None!

[crimzontearz]

well miss Harley there is a difference between an open relationship and her brining friends for "mutual entertainment"

[Atakuma]

I'm not sharing!

Modifié par Atakuma, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:02 .

[crimzontearz]

jlb524 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...




also...surrender over taming ftw...

Whatever it's called I want none of it.  None!

there is a big difference between the two




and I do want

[jlb524]

Well, you're the target audience and not I, so it will probably happen in such a fashion.

[crimzontearz]

hehe...miss harley is a possessive girl...I approve



JLB....what do you mean by I'm the tatget audience

[jlb524]

crimzontearz wrote...

JLB....what do you mean by I'm the tatget audience

Straight dudes, which is the target audience for female romances, correct?

[Maria Caliban]

jlb524 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

JLB....what do you mean by I'm the tatget audience

Straight dudes, which is the target audience for female romances, correct?

I don't think Sheryl's ever talked about her 'target audience.' I can't imagine her basing the character on some image she has of straight dudes. I think some guys might be intimidated by a woman like Isabela.

That said, I think the Leliana romance works better for a female Warden. In my horribly, horribly biased opinion.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[the_one_54321]

But obviously all straight men want wanton sex bombs. We all fit a nice neat cookie cutter label, after all.

[jlb524]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't think Sheryl's ever talked about her 'target audience.' I can't imagine her basing the character on some image she has of straight dudes. I think some guys might be intimidated by a woman like Isabela.

I was just assuming that's how it always worked in the biz...not the entire romance targeted there but parts of it.

Maria Caliban wrote...
That said, I think the Leliana romance works better for a female Warden. In my horribly, horribly biased opinion.

I may agree but I have bias as well.

[Maria Caliban]

the_one_54321 wrote...

But obviously all straight men want wanton sex bombs. We all fit a nice neat cookie cutter label, after all.

Indeed. You're not the first straight guy to express displeasure with a love interest who's had as much experience as Isabela.

Some people, of both genders, will find that off-putting.

[jlb524]

I was speaking in sense of marketing reasons (not necessarily speaking about all straight men of course) in regards to the whole 'submits' to Hawke discussion for Isabela (which has nothing to do with her wanton sex bombiness) and why they might go that route over not going that route.

[crimzontearz]

grr....there is a difference between submission and surrender...if anything a connotative one.



I do not want a meek/subservient Isabela, but I do want (like Atakuma) an Isabela who elects that Hawke is more important and above the "lifestyle" she used to live and the rest of her former harem....thus surrendering to him in that sense (the kiss scene in the cgi trailer totally gives me that vibe but maybe I'm projecting).



with that in mind just because I am a straight guy that does not mean all straight guys like the same things in ther romance nor that they all stereotypize the other venues of romances or intimacies (as I was trying to say earlier).



with that in mind, yes, the dynamic of Isabela falling for Hawke and chhosing to be his woman as opposed to simply a lover is a big part of why I will pursue her romantically. If that is being mainstream and part of the target audience...well then so be it

[jlb524]

I wasn't aware that's what you meant. I always think 'submissive' has connotations involving the ideas of being 'meek/subservient' etc. This is what I do not like.



I also never said all straight guys like the same thing. However, I know a lot of game developers have a male target audience and have stats on what they tend to like so they aim to please them above me (female). I just thought that's how it all worked in this world, unless I'm mistaken then I apologize.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Eh, crimzon, both words still give me the impression of creepy power games. But thank you for clarifying.

I don't think Isabela or anyone would run off and dive headlong into orgies without asking her partner, unless Bioware is intent on writing an unhealthy relationship. There's a difference between being an amoral jerk (continuing to be a part of that 'lifestyle' as you call but behind Hawke's back), and being in an open relationship (being emotionally committed and also having mutually established freedom to partake of funtimes outside the couple). And in the latter, Hawke still is the most important.

IIRC a writer has stated that you can vocalize your opinion on Isabela's proclivities, and with the rivalry-romance addition maybe you can convince her that she'll be just as satisfied with Hawke alone. Or maybe she comes around to the idea without much persuasion. Who knows.

Now that I think about it, we are collectively assuming she is not the type to commit to a relationship. It makes sense from what we know of her but on the other hand, Bioware employs some tricky writers.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:47 .

[Maria Caliban]

jlb524 wrote...

I also never said all straight guys like the same thing. However, I know a lot of game developers have a male target audience and have stats on what they tend to like so they aim to please them above me (female). I just thought that's how it all worked in this world, unless I'm mistaken then I apologize.

I can't find the quote but I believe David mentioned that the romances in this game won't be what people expect.

The thing is, while you would never know it from looking at the forums, the average player doesn't romance anyone. It's optional content and I don't think it's as rigidly controlled as you might be imagining.

Look at the Morrigan romance. She's obviously the face of the game, made to be sexy, and is going to be what many male players gravitate to. And in the end she dumps you. If they wanted to make a stereotypically appealing romance, I imagine that she'd end up discovering that love is the most important thing ever, and that she would stay with the Warden and start a family with him.

[Maria Caliban]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I don't think Isabela or anyone would run off and dive headlong into orgies without asking her partner, unless Bioware is intent on writing an unhealthy relationship. There's a difference between being an amoral jerk (continuing to be a part of that 'lifestyle' as you call but behind Hawke's back), being in an open relationship (being emotionally committed and also having mutually established freedom to partake of funtimes outside the couple).

I agree that this is an important difference.

IIRC a writer has stated that you can vocalize your opinion on Isabela's proclivities, and with the rivalry-romance addition maybe you can convince her that she'll be just as satisfied with Hawke alone. Or maybe she comes around to the idea without much persuasion. Who knows.

The 'rivalry' paths are something you have regardless of whether you romance Isabela. I don't think it would make sense for someone who isn't in a romantic relationship with her to convince her to be monogamous.

In addition, to be sure, creating a rivalry path based around Isabela's sexual habits is a... problematic. Take Leliana and Alistiar, if you hardened them, they'd be willing to have a foursome, but their hardening wasn't based around 'stop being so monogamous!'

Now that I think about it, we are collectively assuming she is not the type to commit to a relationship.

Probably because she scoffs Hawke bringing feelings into things.

[Atakuma]

While I don't think any less of her for it, I find Isabela's promiscuity and general attitude toward sex off putting. It's a little disappointing to know that (likely) the only f/f LI just doesn't interest me beyond being a bad ass pirate lady.