Anarya wrote...
I don't agree with that logic but whatever. I don't think it's worth arguing over anymore at this point.
You're making a judgment based on how the word makes you feel instead of on what the word strictly means. Technicaly speaking dan is pretty correct, but because of the stigma that has been attached to those words due to their past use for hate and slander all you can see in them is insult.
Sl*t means a person who sleeps around with many people.
W**re means someone who will have sex for money.
That's all they mean. And strictly speaking the first does seem to apply to Isabela, as is implied pretty strongly in DA:O. I don't think that w**** is apropriate as nothing ever suggests that she does it in exchange for money. Those words used to be intended purely as insults to women. But if you think there's nothing wrong with sleeping around with whomever you want, then s*** should not be an insulting word. If you think there's nothing wrong with having sex in exchange for money then w**** should not be an insulting word. It doesn't really work both ways. If the words are insulting then it's a negative thing to do the things they imply. If there is nothing wrong with what they imply then they can't be an insult. Your argument defeats itself because you (and in this case I'm generalizing the empowared woman thing, so my apologies if it doesn't quite fit) take the stance that there's nothing wrong with what she does and it's a positive portrayal but you still respond emotionally to stigmatized words that have accurate definitions.
For the folks that see empowered and equal portrayals of females as a positive thing, you really need to let go of the stigma attached to these words that were once seen as insults. Otherwise the stigma, the judgments and the negative connotations of the behavior never go away. And these roles will never be seen in a truly positive way. You only add to the problem by getting insulted by it.
As for Isabela in specific, I don't know that I'll romance her. It's more an issue of knowing about the past to me. I mentioned in one of the last threads that if you don't want to know the answer then don't ask the question. For that reason I often leave the "Orlesian spy" conversation unsaid with Leliana. It does make me think less of her and otherwise I think she's fantastic. And it's the reason why I always kill Zevran on sight. After having conversed with him in my first playthrough I can't imagine ever wanting him in my party. Perhaps with Isabela I won't have to have a conversation with her that revolves around her penchant for randomly sleeping with whoever can handle her in a duel or a game of cards. I would prefer that.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Can we get back on topic, please?
As an aside, I did attach everything I had to say to the character Isabela.
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