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[Athna]

maybe isabelas parents are dead. or thay could be roality and she doesn't want any thing to do with her blood line.Time will tell but you know who ever she is Bioware has sdomething big in minde.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

The artwork actually makes her look attractive. The in-game rendering however . . . *blech* That's no lady; dude looks like a man.

[Backstage]

why does isabela remind me of jack sparrow?

[upsettingshorts]

Maconbar wrote...
I thought caravels and galleys had similar cargo capacity (50-150 tons). I kind of figured that the seas around Thedas, would require something more seaworthy than a galley unless restricted to the Waking Sea.

Depends if they stick to the coast or not.  Seems to me that as far as the people of Thedas are concerned they haven't really even started exploring beyond their coasts much.  Excepting maybe the Qunari.

I mean, look at the map.  You could make a killing on piracy (or legitimate trade) just hugging the coastline.

Backstage wrote...

why does isabela remind me of jack sparrow?

Maybe because you're unfamiliar with Anne Bonny?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:15 .

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maconbar wrote...
I thought caravels and galleys had similar cargo capacity (50-150 tons). I kind of figured that the seas around Thedas, would require something more seaworthy than a galley unless restricted to the Waking Sea.

Depends if they stick to the coast or not.  Seems to me that as far as the people of Thedas are concerned they haven't really even started exploring beyond their coasts much.  Excepting maybe the Qunari.

I mean, look at the map.  You could make a killing on piracy (or legitimate trade) just hugging the coastline.

Backstage wrote...

why does isabela remind me of jack sparrow?

Maybe because you're unfamiliar with Anne Bonny?

sounds like how we crossed the "cabo da Boa Esperança" or Good hope's cape (if i'm not mistaken) using our caravels to get to india.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Maconbar]

You could be right. Just looking at the map I tend to picture something akin to the North Sea rather than the Mediterranean. Caravels and carracks could be too advanced for Thedas.

[KhorinShizucor]

Backstage wrote...

why does isabela remind me of jack sparrow?

PLEASE NO. I so hate that character. Sheryl Chee, please tell us Jack Sparrow isn't an inspiration.

[upsettingshorts]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
sounds like how we crossed the "cabo da esperança" or hope's cape using our caravels to get to india.

Sorta, but without a sense of scale - no miles or kilometers - the map doesn't really make clear if we're talking about Mediterranean-length cruises or epic voyages around the African Horn.

Judging by the state of the rest of their technology, I'm guessing its closer to the former.

Maconbar wrote...

Just looking at the map I tend to picture something akin to the North Sea rather than the Mediterranean.

Possibly.  It's certainly more open.

In any case, pirate ships were not purpose-built for piracy.  They used whatever they could get their hands on, the faster the better, because catching a ship was usually enough for it to surrender and they needed to be able to escape the navy.  Capturing an actual warship was incredibly difficult and rare, so fast trading vessels like cutters and sloops were good choices during the Age of Sail.  Galleys were... well, galleys.  They often depended on slave labor though because you need a lot of rowers.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Anarya]

I love Jack Sparrow but she really doesn't seem anything like him from the way she was in Origins and the way Sheryl talks about her. I mean, other than the fact that they're both pirates. I could be wrong though.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
sounds like how we crossed the "cabo da esperança" or hope's cape using our caravels to get to india.

Sorta, but without a sense of scale - no miles or kilometers - the map doesn't really make clear if we're talking about Mediterranean-length cruises or epic voyages around the African Horn.

Judging by the state of the rest of their technology, I'm guessing its closer to the former.

Maconbar wrote...

Just looking at the map I tend to picture something akin to the North Sea rather than the Mediterranean.

Possibly.  It's certainly more open.

In any case, pirate ships were not purpose-built for piracy.  They used whatever they could get their hands on, the faster the better, because catching a ship was usually enough for it to surrender and they needed to be able to escape the navy.  Capturing an actual warship was incredibly difficult and rare, so fast trading vessels like cutters and sloops were good choices during the Age of Sail.  Galleys were... well, galleys.  They often depended on slave labor though because you need a lot of rowers.

this kind of talk just makes me more eager to see isabela's ship and crew:happy:

[aaniadyen]

Maconbar wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I think sloop is kind of a funny word. My guess would be a galley, though. More efficient as a pirate ship.

maybe a caravel? those were pretty efficient for hit and run tactics.

Well, a caravel is nice for small operations, but it can't carry nearly as much cargo as a galley, and after all, that is what being a pirate is all about.

I thought caravels and galleys had similar cargo capacity (50-150 tons). I kind of figured that the seas around Thedas, would require something more seaworthy than a galley unless restricted to the Waking Sea.

Well, if Wikipedia is any kind of source: "Being smaller and having a shallow keel,
the caravel could sail upriver in shallow coastal waters. With the
lateen sails attached, it was highly maneuverable and could sail much
nearer the wind, while with the square Atlantic-type sails attached, it
was very fast. Its economy, speed, agility, and power made it esteemed
as the best sailing vessel of its time. The limited capacity for cargo
and crew were their main drawbacks, but did not hinder its success."

From wiki caravel page.

[Brockololly]

Sheryl Chee wrote..

Edit: And she's not Morrigan's mother. Morrigan's mother is Flemeth. Isabela is not Flemeth in disguise.

Nonsense! Flemeth is clearly the ClayFace of Dragon Age, disguising herself as every single companion character leading to one huge OMG! reveal!

[Felene]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sorta, but without a sense of scale - no miles or kilometers - the map doesn't really make clear if we're talking about Mediterranean-length cruises or epic voyages around the African Horn.

Judging by the state of the rest of their technology, I'm guessing its closer to the former.

The former, remember what Teagan say about crossing Lake Calenhad on water only take one day?

Modifié par Felene, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:26 .

[upsettingshorts]

aaniadyen wrote...
Well, if Wikipedia is any kind of source: "Being smaller and having a shallow keel, the caravel could sail upriver in shallow coastal waters. With the lateen sails attached, it was highly maneuverable and could sail much nearer the wind, while with the square Atlantic-type sails attached, it was very fast. Its economy, speed, agility, and power made it esteemed as the best sailing vessel of its time. The limited capacity for cargo and crew were their main drawbacks, but did not hinder its success."

From wiki caravel page.

Yeah, the caravel is lower tech than say, a sloop or barque though - those came later around the time the caravel was thoroughly replaced by Portugese and Spanish galleons.  It depends on the tech of the fictional realm which type of ship will be best suited. 

It might be galleys.  It might be caravels.  It might be sloops or barques.  Heck she could even have something inspired from a Chinese junk design which was used for over a thousand years.   I still want to see it.

Felene wrote...
The former, remember what Teagan say about crossing Lake Calenhad on water only take one day?

Good point.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:27 .

[Backstage]

i know anne bonny but i figure more people know jack sparrow.

i can see davey jones yelling isabela

Modifié par Backstage, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Sheryl Chee]

KhorinShizucor wrote...
PLEASE NO. I so hate that character. Sheryl Chee, please tell us Jack Sparrow isn't an inspiration.

Well, they both drink a lot, and wear earrings and bandanas. But I think the similarities end there? 

I watched more Firefly and Star Wars (Original Flavor) while writing her plan, rather than Pirates of the Carribean.

Modifié par Sheryl Chee, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Star Wars (Original Flavor)

Thanks the Maker.

Also, I really like Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Wulfram]

Has her ship made the antivan run in less than 12 leagues?

[Backstage]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

KhorinShizucor wrote...
PLEASE NO. I so hate that character. Sheryl Chee, please tell us Jack Sparrow isn't an inspiration.

Well, they both drink a lot, and wear earrings and bandanas. But I think the similarities end there? 

I watched more Firefly and Star Wars (Original Flavor) while writing her plan, rather than Pirates of the Carribean.

if isabela says "wheres the rum" i'll lol

[nightcobra]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

KhorinShizucor wrote...
PLEASE NO. I so hate that character. Sheryl Chee, please tell us Jack Sparrow isn't an inspiration.

Well, they both drink a lot, and wear earrings and bandanas. But I think the similarities end there? 

I watched more Firefly and Star Wars (Original Flavor) while writing her plan, rather than Pirates of the Carribean.

so...female han-solo?

and damn i loved firefly, anything that comes out inspired by that is already awesome:O

[upsettingshorts]

Sheryl Chee wrote...
I watched more Firefly and Star Wars (Original Flavor) while writing her plan, rather than Pirates of the Carribean.

Ah so she's a disenchanted Confederate veteran of the Civil War?  

Ok... lemme explain, the fact that Whedon came up with the idea after reading The Killer Angels and named a character after the founder of the Lost Cause movement - General Jubal Early - has totally changed the context of that whole show for me, heh.

Anyway, so what's her ship like?  I haven't read Aubrey-Maturin in months and need my naval warfare fix.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 04:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Well, they both drink a lot, and wear earrings and bandanas.

TOO MANY SIMILARITIES, NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'LL SAY SHE'S A PIRATE!

[nightcobra]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Well, they both drink a lot, and wear earrings and bandanas.

TOO MANY SIMILARITIES, NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'LL SAY SHE'S A PIRATE!

nah that would be too obvious:P

[blothulfur]

Its an aaaaarrggggghhhhhhhhhpg.