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[dan107]

Pacifien wrote...

[Edit: Okay, that moment of weakness is done with.]

Oh come on man! I was just about to respond and compliment you for finally showing a sense of humor!

[upsettingshorts]

I barely remember NWN but I found even Tali's Mass Effect 2 reveal slightly offputting. It made me view Tali's affection for Shepard as something akin to a childlike crush she'd eventually get over and move on to something more mature. I prefer relationships that seem to be on more equal footing.



Can't please everyone and all that.

[the_one_54321]

I just find the whole alien love thing very very disturbing.

[Pacifien]

the_one_54321 wrote...
I just find the whole alien love thing very very disturbing.

Just because Hawke is from Ferelden and Isabela is from Rivain doesn't make their love any more disturbing than the next couple.

[Backstage]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I just find the whole alien love thing very very disturbing.

the warden could fall in love with both leliana and zevran.  they were foreigners

[the_one_54321]

But what will their babies be?! Fervanis!? Civilians? Actually that didn't sound too bad...

[upsettingshorts]

He's responding to my specific example of Shepard and Tali, not humans of different cultures.

...or so I thought...

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:50 .

[dan107]

ejoslin wrote...
You do have to talk her into it, and have a fairly high persuade skill, otherwise she turns you down.  But I'm not sure what the issue is.  Three of the four romance partners in DA:O have pasts that include multiple sexual partners, where love in not involved.  Alistair is the only love interest who is sexually inexperienced.  At least two of them have had countless sexual partners, and I get the impression Morrigan may have as well.

What strikes me as odd about Isabela is that her promiscuity was the starting point of her character. I mean literally someone at Bio must've said "Out of the several hundred minor characters we have in DA:O, let's take the most lowbrow floozy in the entire game and turn her into a fully fledged character! And make her a romance on top of that!". And someone else must've said "Boy, that's a jolly good idea!". I mean I just can't figure out what the rationale behind that decision was.

[the_one_54321]

*riveldans not civilians

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
I mean literally someone at Bio must've said "Out of the several hundred minor characters we have in DA:O, let's take the most lowbrow floozy in the entire game and turn her into a fully fledged character! And make her a romance on top of that!". And someone else must've said "Boy, that's a jolly good idea!". I mean I just can't figure out what the rationale behind that decision was.

Yeah, I'm going to dispute that anything remotely resembling that conversation "must" have taken place.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:51 .

[Backstage]

dan107 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
You do have to talk her into it, and have a fairly high persuade skill, otherwise she turns you down.  But I'm not sure what the issue is.  Three of the four romance partners in DA:O have pasts that include multiple sexual partners, where love in not involved.  Alistair is the only love interest who is sexually inexperienced.  At least two of them have had countless sexual partners, and I get the impression Morrigan may have as well.

What strikes me as odd about Isabela is that her promiscuity was the starting point of her character. I mean literally someone at Bio must've said "Out of the several hundred minor characters we have in DA:O, let's take the most lowbrow floozy in the entire game and turn her into a fully fledged character! And make her a romance on top of that!". And someone else must've said "Boy, that's a jolly good idea!". I mean I just can't figure out what the rationale behind that decision was.

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

[the_one_54321]

@AngryPants

Yes that's what I was referring to. The rest was a joke.

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
What strikes me as odd about Isabela is that her promiscuity was the starting point of her character. I mean literally someone at Bio must've said "Out of the several hundred minor characters we have in DA:O, let's take the most lowbrow floozy in the entire game and turn her into a fully fledged character! And make her a romance on top of that!". And someone else must've said "Boy, that's a jolly good idea!". I mean I just can't figure out what the rationale behind that decision was.

Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

[upsettingshorts]

Pacifien wrote...
Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

A perk you needed 75/100 Coercion to even unlock.  Making your Warden pretty damn smooth.

Also the notion of an expert pirate duelist reminds me of Sid Meier's Pirates!.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:56 .

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
I mean literally someone at Bio must've said "Out of the several hundred minor characters we have in DA:O, let's take the most lowbrow floozy in the entire game and turn her into a fully fledged character! And make her a romance on top of that!". And someone else must've said "Boy, that's a jolly good idea!". I mean I just can't figure out what the rationale behind that decision was.

Yeah, I'm going to dispute that anything remotely resembling that conversation "must" have taken place.

Well I'm exaggerating, obviously, but you see my point. Isabela's main distinction in DA:O was her promiscuity, and really lowbrow promiscuity to boot, and that's the character out of literally hundreds that they chose to develop into a romance?

[Maria Caliban]

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

No dead husband: Morrigan, Leliana, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara, Ashely, Bastila, Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Viconia, Wingless Elf girl.

I can only think of two female love interests with dead husbands, and the last one was in NWN, which came out almost a decade ago.

[dan107]

Pacifien wrote...
Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

Really? You really think that the fact that she can teach you dueling is more memorable than the fact that your entire party can bang her after a 5 minute conversation?

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
Well I'm exaggerating, obviously, but you see my point. Isabela's main distinction in DA:O was her promiscuity, and really lowbrow promiscuity to boot, and that's the character out of literally hundreds that they chose to develop into a romance?

I do see your point, but I think it's flawed.  Her sexuality is incidental, not integral.  Nor is it likely to have been the reason she was chosen.

dan107 wrote...
Really? You really think that the fact that she can teach you dueling is more memorable than the fact that your entire party can bang her after a 5 minute conversation?

Which was your very smooth Warden's idea - actually, I think it was Leliana's or something.  Not hers.  Sure, it turns out in that precise set of circumstances - including Zevran, someone she knows, she's up for it.  People are assuming just any old group of people coulda suggested it to her and she woulda happily led them back to her cabin.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Zanaide]

Pacifien wrote...

Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

Indeed. I mean the first time you see her, she's wailing on two guys and pretty much kicks their butts. I didn't even know about the promiscuity thing until I read about it on the forums, I think. I unlocked the duelist specialization by busting her for cheating at cards.

[Russalka]

dan107 wrote...

Really? You really think that the fact that she can teach you dueling is more memorable than the fact that your entire party can bang her after a 5 minute conversation?

The first thing she did was beat up a whole bunch of men. That spoke to me much more than her showing an interest in the Warden. And that is only one of the options how one can deal with her.

[NugWrangler]

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

I get the impression that she didn't really like her husband all that much.  Maybe she married him for personal gain or maybe she was forced in to it somehow.  It will be interesting to see what the story behind that is.  I don't think we will have to worry much about her pining away for him.

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
Really? You really think that the fact that she can teach you dueling is more memorable than the fact that your entire party can bang her after a 5 minute conversation?

You know, I actually never did that. All I did was learn to duel.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

A perk you needed 75/100 Coercion to even unlock.  Making your Warden pretty damn smooth.

Also the notion of an expert pirate duelist reminds me of Sid Meier's Pirates!.

i agree with you on the coercion part, and to emphasize how persuasive you have to be, here's the description of the coercion level needed for isabela

taken from the codex:

"The character is exceptionally influential and can compel all but the most strong-willed individuals"

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Shepard Lives]

I think we should all tread carefully lest the thread spirals into sexism, insults and general unpleasantness like the previous ones.

[Backstage]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

No dead husband: Morrigan, Leliana, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara, Ashely, Bastila, Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Viconia, Wingless Elf girl.

I can only think of two female love interests with dead husbands, and the last one was in NWN, which came out almost a decade ago.

that is what i liked about dao, the li didn't have past relationships, but they were sexually active.  well leliana had something going on with marjolaine, but she was more a mentor then a lover.