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[upsettingshorts]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
"The character is exceptionally influential and can compel all but the most strong-willed individuals"

Yup, and unless you're willing to abandon a major conceit of roleplaying games - that such influence is possible through a stat determining it - than making the assumption that Isabela is "easy" based on that encounter is illogical. 

A 75 Coercion Warden is simply that good.

[Russalka]

Seriously, why does her willing to have a sexual encounter with the Warden speak out the most and DEFINE her the most to some people, when it is just one option?

[Shepard Lives]

BPearl12 wrote...

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

I get the impression that she didn't really like her husband all that much.  Maybe she married him for personal gain or maybe she was forced in to it somehow.  It will be interesting to see what the story behind that is.  I don't think we will have to worry much about her pining away for him.

For the record, all she has to say about him in DAO is "I never did like the greasy bastard". So, I think (I hope) he won't play a very large role in her story.

[nightcobra]

BPearl12 wrote...

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

I get the impression that she didn't really like her husband all that much.  Maybe she married him for personal gain or maybe she was forced in to it somehow.  It will be interesting to see what the story behind that is.  I don't think we will have to worry much about her pining away for him.

wouldn't it be a hoot if it turns out that it was isabela who hired the antivan crows (who then picked zevran, so he wouldn't know who the client was) to kill her husband?

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:04 .

[Siven80]

I like her outfit, especially the boots.



My chars wont be romancing her though as imo her face just isnt attractive to me and makes her looks too manish.



Im sure her pirate background will make her an interesting character to talk to though and looking forward to it.

[Shepard Lives]

Russalka wrote...

Seriously, why does her willing to have a sexual encounter with the Warden speak out the most and DEFINE her the most to some people, when it is just one option?

People are perverse like that. You should be well aware of it, seeing as you post on these boards regularly.

[jlb524]

Backstage wrote...

that is what i liked about dao, the li didn't have past relationships, but they were sexually active.  well leliana had something going on with marjolaine, but she was more a mentor then a lover.

Suuuure she was

What is so bad about having past relationships, anyway?

Modifié par jlb524, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:05 .

[the_one_54321]

And yet there are a number of women you can't confine to sleep with you no matter what you do. I think it's pretty silly to despite her "appetites." They ate implied pretty explicitly through several conversation options.

[Backstage]

BPearl12 wrote...

Backstage wrote...

i like isabela, only thing i dislike is anothe female li with a dead husband

I get the impression that she didn't really like her husband all that much.  Maybe she married him for personal gain or maybe she was forced in to it somehow.  It will be interesting to see what the story behind that is.  I don't think we will have to worry much about her pining away for him.

we know isabela doesnt mourn his death and likes zevran, so we'll.

lol and i love the way she says firm buttocks and breasts.

[the_one_54321]

*convince not confine. Stupid phone.

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Which was your very smooth Warden's idea - actually, I think it was Leliana's or something.  Not hers. Sure, it turns out in that precise set of circumstances - including Zevran, someone she knows, she's up for it.  People are assuming just any old group of people coulda suggested it to her and she woulda happily led them back to her cabin.

And I'm sure that she was a virgin beforehand. Somehow it didn't strike me that that was a terribly unusual occurrence for her.

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Actually, I believe the starting point of Isabela's character was that she was the deadliest duelist of the high seas. The promiscuity was a perk.

A perk you needed 75/100 Coercion to even unlock.  Making your Warden pretty damn smooth.

Also the notion of an expert pirate duelist reminds me of Sid Meier's Pirates!.

i agree with you on the coercion part, and to emphasize how persuasive you have to be, here's the description of the coercion level needed for isabela

taken from the codex:

"The character is exceptionally influential and can compel all but the most strong-willed individuals"

Alright, let's put the Coercion arguement to rest right now, shall we? My Warden had max Coercion throughout the entire game, and yet didn't notice every woman lining up to get ganbanged by him and his entire party. As a matter of fact, there wasn't any woman up for that except Isabela. If he got offered group sex left and right, that would be indicative of the Warden's superhuman charisma. Since it only happened once and with Isabela, that's indicative of her promiscuity.

Modifié par dan107, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:08 .

[upsettingshorts]

shepard_lives wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Seriously, why does her willing to have a sexual encounter with the Warden speak out the most and DEFINE her the most to some people, when it is just one option?

People are perverse like that. You should be well aware of it, seeing as you post on these boards regularly.

I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of players keeping Coercion really high, so the option seemed easy.  I know I did - Coercion is one of those things I kept maxed - and was only peripherally aware of the cheating at cards option, I always suggested getting to know her.  

But I didn't think "LOL SHE HAS ORGIES" is her character, I just viewed her as uninhibited.  She clearly had no issue dispatching people in a fight, no issue whatsoever at cheating at cards, no issue at all being a damn pirate, and no issue having as much fun as she felt like given the right set of circumstances.   Guilt and inhibition didn't strike me as part of her character.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Maria Caliban]

dan107 wrote...

Well I'm exaggerating, obviously, but you see my point. Isabela's main distinction in DA:O was her promiscuity, and really lowbrow promiscuity to boot, and that's the character out of literally hundreds that they chose to develop into a romance?

Yes. Because there's more to a character than who they sleep with.

Moreover, I didn't realize there was 'highbrow' and 'lowbrow' promiscuity.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:07 .

[nightcobra]

the_one_54321 wrote...

And yet there are a number of women you can't confine to sleep with you no matter what you do. I think it's pretty silly to despite her "appetites." They ate implied pretty explicitly through several conversation options.

the dialog opportunity never came upB)

[Backstage]

jlb524 wrote...

Backstage wrote...

that is what i liked about dao, the li didn't have past relationships, but they were sexually active.  well leliana had something going on with marjolaine, but she was more a mentor then a lover.

Suuuure she was

What is so bad about having past relationships, anyway?

i just find people more interesting who don't have past relationships. everyone has different tastes though.

[Russalka]

shepard_lives wrote...
People are perverse like that. You should be well aware of it, seeing as you post on these boards regularly.

This speaks of immaturity to me, rather than perversion. Sex is everywhere, people should just get used to it.

Isabela does not seem like blatant fan service, so her appearance and her personality do not bother me.

Upsettingshorts wrote...
But I didn't think "LOL SHE HAS ORGIES" is her
character, I just viewed her as uninhibited.  She clearly had no issue
dispatching people in a fight, no issue whatsoever at cheating at cards,
no issue at all being a damn pirate, and no issue having as much fun as
she felt like given the right set of circumstances.   Guilt and
inhibition didn't strike me as part of her character.

Could not have put it any better.

Modifié par Russalka, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:12 .

[the_one_54321]

Having not played though it does not mean that it doesn't exist. Unless you're Sylvius, but then you also be quite mad.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Seriously, why does her willing to have a sexual encounter with the Warden speak out the most and DEFINE her the most to some people, when it is just one option?

People are perverse like that. You should be well aware of it, seeing as you post on these boards regularly.

I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of players keeping Coercion really high, so the option seemed easy.  I know I did - Coercion is one of those things I kept maxed - and was only peripherally aware of the cheating at cards option, I always suggested getting to know her.  

But I didn't think "LOL SHE HAS ORGIES" is her character, I just viewed her as uninhibited.  She clearly had no issue dispatching people in a fight, no issue whatsoever at cheating at cards, no issue at all being a damn pirate, and no issue having as much fun as she felt like given the right set of circumstances.   Guilt and inhibition didn't strike me as part of her character.

well, she is a "live for the moment" type of character according to sheryl.

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...

If he got offered group sex left and right, that would be indicative of the Warden's superhuman charisma. Since it only happened once and with Isabela, that's indicative of her promiscuity.

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?

It happens only when a very precise set of circumstances exist.  You know, the Warden is in a pre-existing relationship and has no issue sleeping with someone else.  The promiscuity going on in this scenario is not limited to Isabela, and your counterexample of having group sex not being offered constantly makes no sense, as the context for it being even a conceivable option doesn't ever exist.

Unless you're trying to suggest "I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORGY" should have been an option to settle the Dalish vs. Werewolves dispute.

I'd say the Coercion argument works just fine, thank you.

nightcobra8928 wrote...
well, she is a "live for the moment" type of character according to sheryl.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Guess my impression turned out to be spot on, then?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Backstage wrote...

that is what i liked about dao, the li didn't have past relationships, but they were sexually active.  well leliana had something going on with marjolaine, but she was more a mentor then a lover.

I always got the impression that Leliana loved Marjolaine a great deal. If Marjolaine had been 1) male and 2) proposed, I imagine Leliana would be thrilled.

If nothing else, that means she gets to have a wedding.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Having not played though it does not mean that it doesn't exist. Unless you're Sylvius, but then you also be quite mad.

Many posters are mad, but only Sylvius admits to it.

[dan107]

Russalka wrote...

Seriously, why does her willing to have a
sexual encounter with the Warden speak out the most and DEFINE her the
most to some people, when it is just one option?

There very well may be more to her than that, but as of DA:O that's
pretty much all we knew about her. That she's good with a knife, and
real easy. And yes, she was defined by that since that's all we
were shown. I'm just saying that it's an odd strating point to chose to
expand into a romance.

Moreover, I didn't realize there was 'highbrow' and 'lowbrow' promiscuity.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as "highbrow" promiscuity, but in the back of a seedy tavern with strangers is definitely lowbrow.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Guess my impression turned out to be spot on, then?

pretty much.

i thought she would be a bit manipulative but sheryl also said that isabela doesn't care to think that far ahead so that also emphasizes the "live for the present and carpe diem" part of her.

[Pacifien]

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

[Anarya]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

Yep. Is it classier that way?

[Backstage]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...

If he got offered group sex left and right, that would be indicative of the Warden's superhuman charisma. Since it only happened once and with Isabela, that's indicative of her promiscuity.

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?

It happens only when a very precise set of circumstances exist.  You know, the Warden is in a pre-existing relationship and has no issue sleeping with someone else.  The promiscuity going on in this scenario is not limited to Isabela, and your counterexample of having group sex not being offered constantly makes no sense, as the context for it being even a conceivable option doesn't ever exist.

Unless you're trying to suggest "I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORGY" should have been an option to settle the Dalish vs. Werewolves dispute.

I'd say the Coercion argument works just fine, thank you.

nightcobra8928 wrote...
well, she is a "live for the moment" type of character according to sheryl.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

Guess my impression turned out to be spot on, then?

when i was playing a male warden romancing unhardened lel, isabela says your taken and doesnt want to intrude, which i thought was interesting. i guess she respects boundaries.