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[Quething]

I can't romance Izzy with a male Hawke. Rivalmance especially. It's just too depressing.

[dewayne31]

i love how she get merrill liking dirty things.......

[whykikyouwhy]

@dewayne31 - I always suspected that Merrill had a sly, hidden love of dirty things. She just needed Isabela to coax her into embracing that love.

[dewayne31]

Hehe probably true.I always wondered if isabela was teaching her more then that

[ladyofpayne]

Isabela (shameless fanservice). Can't see her too big daggers, miss-no-paints-ass with wh*rized actions and vulgar jokes.
I am so tired of her obsessional. Why I can't kill Isy like Fenris? Who I am going to call? JUSTICE!

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:20 .

[Wulfram]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@dewayne31 - I always suspected that Merrill had a sly, hidden love of dirty things. She just needed Isabela to coax her into embracing that love.

Not really sly or hidden, she's quite open about it.  In act 1, there's this.

• Merrill: Oh, did I miss something dirty?
• Carver: What? No! It wasn't dirty. It wasn't anything.
• Merrill: Oh? Right, because I miss a lot of dirty things and sometimes I wouldn't mind hearing them.

[Arquen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Arquen wrote...

Okay, I felt my hawke was a total sap when he said "I have waited years for you." Then with zev totally had a devils threesome, lol.

I have a hard time picturing love with isabella. Fun times, sure, but love? Is there a future there. I totally didn't mind my hawke being sappy I rp him as the trying to do everything right and no matter what everything goes wrong guy. That's why he ended up with isabela, I think she meets the chaos requirement.

The thing about Isabela is that you don't quite get a complete picture of the romance just from the romance scenes themselves. It doesn't seem that complete, because it isn't - a lot of her growth is on her own, and you only get to see hints of that through her interaction with the rest of the game. But the hints that *are* there are significant, because of who she is and how she behaves as a result of her 'relationship' with Hawke.

It's no coincidence that she never uses the word "love" to describe how she feels toward Hawke. She only ever uses it to describe the ideal, or her past. She'd been burned before, and has a hard time with real feelings, so she prefers to keep everyone at arm's length. But if you listen to her conversations with Merrill, it starts to piece together, giving you glimpses of the relationship that she doesn't readily tell Hawke about (because it wouldn't make sense).

She'll say to Merrill that she'll leave someday if she can convince someome to come away with her - that's not something a fiercely independent pirate would do for just anyone. Not even Merrill gets the invitation. She's got two different banters based on her relationship point with Hawke - if Merrill says that Hawke likes her, she says she'll have to think about it, or she'll say she'd hope so. But the real subtle one is when Merrill asks why she's smiling, and she just says that she's just happy, then quickly changes the subject.

These all hint at changes below the surface, and while we don't see them in their entirety, they're sufficient to show the magnitude of what's happening within her. That's why I buy the romance as love and not just a fling, despite the fact she won't use the word. It's how I think she would act in such a situation.

Thank you for this. I haven't really heard her romantic banters before, and I hardly ever take Merrill anywhere. It gives a good insight into the romance. I don't mind that she never describes it as love. I just somehow felt like that dialogue about "I have waited for you..." just didn't mesh well for some reason. I wanted it to be more a "so you finally came around, about time!" thing. Then again, it is a cheesy romantic line and Bioware loves them so *shrug* meh. I like how she isn't so forthcoming in the relationship, but to me hers does feel very incomplete and that is sad. It could be so much more. Then again though, I suppose all the romances could be more.

I really do like Isabela as a character. She is very strong and what I first saw as outright selfishness I deduced down to self defense mechanisms and bravado. In the end she reminds me of one of my very best friends. Same sort of personality, and I guess at first I got turned away by the "sex in your face" thing, but after spending time with the character I realized how much more she is. So, tried out the romance, but I'm still a bit disappointed at the cutscenes. They don't seem meaty enough. They don't seem to touch on the issues of the character as much as the other romances. I just wish I could see more of her growth is all I suppose.

[whykikyouwhy]

@Wulfram - I haven't done a playthrough with Carver until now, so I hadn't heard that bit before, although I seem to recall something similar. With Bethany in the party, there are some great 'intro to naughtiness' discussions as well - which is how I discovered that Isabela is a fine purveyor of historical fiction.

[Quething]

@Arquen: Sarcastic!Hawke doesn't give the "waiting" line, she just says "you're not going to break my heart, are you?" all teasing and happy. One reason I like the romance best with that personality type.

The line that bugs me more is the postcoital "what about love;" it's awkward and unearned by the one conversation you've been allowed to have with her at that point, and Hawke has got to know Izzy well enough by that point to know that trying to make things serious is just seriously pushing her luck. I really wish you could tell her it's just for fun, there, and still get a chance to play out the conversation and leave the romance open for the Act III admission of greater meaning.

(Or at the very least "it's just for fun" should have a broken heart icon. Really now. )

[ebevan91]

Odd... I have been romancing Isabela throughout my playthrough but I had no option to complete the romance at the end of the game after Orsino told me to make final preparations.

[dewayne31]

ebevan91 wrote...

Odd... I have been romancing Isabela throughout my playthrough but I had no option to complete the romance at the end of the game after Orsino told me to make final preparations.

you missed it your suppose to talk to her before you talk Orsino.

[ebevan91]

dewayne31 wrote...

ebevan91 wrote...

Odd... I have been romancing Isabela throughout my playthrough but I had no option to complete the romance at the end of the game after Orsino told me to make final preparations.

you missed it your suppose to talk to her before you talk Orsino.

I did talk to her. But I saw no option to complete the romance.

[Nightdragon8]

what do you mean "option" the final steps are this: When she asks you to join her crew she will conffess that she has fallen for her, you say your sure, have the kiss there, then at the end you talk to her, answer yes or no about losing you then, she kisses you,

there you have romanced izzy,

there is no sperate achevment as far as i know so if you already got the acheivement for romancing someone in a previous playthough then you wont get another one.

[dewayne31]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

what do you mean "option" the final steps are this: When she asks you to join her crew she will conffess that she has fallen for her, you say your sure, have the kiss there, then at the end you talk to her, answer yes or no about losing you then, she kisses you,

there you have romanced izzy,

there is no sperate achevment as far as i know so if you already got the acheivement for romancing someone in a previous playthough then you wont get another one.

inever get asked that i kill castition everything.my character say something bout not having to be there

[hoorayforicecream]

dewayne31 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

what do you mean "option" the final steps are this: When she asks you to join her crew she will conffess that she has fallen for her, you say your sure, have the kiss there, then at the end you talk to her, answer yes or no about losing you then, she kisses you,

there you have romanced izzy,

there is no sperate achevment as far as i know so if you already got the acheivement for romancing someone in a previous playthough then you wont get another one.

inever get asked that i kill castition everything.my character say something bout not having to be there

It doesn't matter if you killed Castillon or not. After that part of the conversation (she feels good for doing the right thing), she'll say that she's falling for Hawke, and Hawke will have a final chance to choose a heart or a heartbreak.

Question: What did choices did you make when Hawke first slept with Isabela in Act 2? If you chose "I'm not proposing marriage" instead of exploring her whole conversation tree (specifically asking her about whether she's ever been in love), the romance won't complete.

[ebevan91]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

what do you mean "option" the final steps are this: When she asks you to join her crew she will conffess that she has fallen for her, you say your sure, have the kiss there, then at the end you talk to her, answer yes or no about losing you then, she kisses you,

there you have romanced izzy,

there is no sperate achevment as far as i know so if you already got the acheivement for romancing someone in a previous playthough then you wont get another one.

inever get asked that i kill castition everything.my character say something bout not having to be there

It doesn't matter if you killed Castillon or not. After that part of the conversation (she feels good for doing the right thing), she'll say that she's falling for Hawke, and Hawke will have a final chance to choose a heart or a heartbreak.

Question: What did choices did you make when Hawke first slept with Isabela in Act 2? If you chose "I'm not proposing marriage" instead of exploring her whole conversation tree (specifically asking her about whether she's ever been in love), the romance won't complete.

I think that may be my problem. I didn't investigate much there.

[hoorayforicecream]

ebevan91 wrote...


I think that may be my problem. I didn't investigate much there.

It's a bit of a trap there. Isabela's much easier to get into bed than into love.

[jamesp81]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@dewayne31 - I always suspected that Merrill had a sly, hidden love of dirty things. She just needed Isabela to coax her into embracing that love.

EVERYBODY has a little bit of kink about them, I think.  From that nice preacher who works down at the homeless shelter to the wildest sex kitten in town.  It's actually a pretty normal condition.  But it is really humorous how Isabela draws it out

[jamesp81]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@Wulfram - I haven't done a playthrough with Carver until now, so I hadn't heard that bit before, although I seem to recall something similar. With Bethany in the party, there are some great 'intro to naughtiness' discussions as well - which is how I discovered that Isabela is a fine purveyor of historical fiction.

One of the first banters between Isabel and Bethany are hilarious.

Bethany: So....you've been in bed.  With women.
Isabela: Yes.  Men are only good for one thing.  Women are good for six.
Bethany: Six!? What six things.
MaleHawke: (being protective of his sister) Isabela

Edit:

I can't bring myself to be a playthrough with Carver.  I just can't.  He seems alright, but I am old fashioned about some things....and it's not appropriate for the women of the family to stand on the front line while there are still any men left drawing breath.  Especially when it's a younger sister we're talking about.  Not that I don't like Carver, but the way he conducted himself in protecting his family was appropriate and honorable.  Though I hate it that Carver dies in all my playthroughs, he did die well; it was the sort of end that could enable man to go boldly before his maker without shame.

Modifié par jamesp81, 22 juillet 2011 - 06:48 .

[whykikyouwhy]

@jamesp81 - I think that, with a Carver playthrough, it's less about Carver not stepping in to protect the family but that Bethany just beat him to it. That's how I look at it anyhow. But I also come from a family where the women held their own and wouldn't take any **it. The frontline, for me, is just about family stepping up for family, no matter the gender, the age etc. Blood thicker than water and all of that.

[jamesp81]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@jamesp81 - I think that, with a Carver playthrough, it's less about Carver not stepping in to protect the family but that Bethany just beat him to it. That's how I look at it anyhow. But I also come from a family where the women held their own and wouldn't take any **it. The frontline, for me, is just about family stepping up for family, no matter the gender, the age etc. Blood thicker than water and all of that.

True enough.  I can't completely deny the protective instincts I'm born with, though.  It's just harder for me to watch her die than it is for Carver.  Can't help it, just the way I am.

[Quething]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

It doesn't matter if you killed Castillon or not. After that part of the conversation (she feels good for doing the right thing), she'll say that she's falling for Hawke, and Hawke will have a final chance to choose a heart or a heartbreak.

Question: What did choices did you make when Hawke first slept with Isabela in Act 2? If you chose "I'm not proposing marriage" instead of exploring her whole conversation tree (specifically asking her about whether she's ever been in love), the romance won't complete.

Not quite true, actually! You do have to take the top option, "what about love?", when she asks if you're bringing feelings into it, instead of assuring her that it's just for fun. But you don't actually have to ask her any of the investigate options that open up, not even whether she's been in love. You can just go straight to "I'm not proposing marriage" and end the scene and the romance will stay properly active. I've done it twice myself.

It makes the final QB conversation a little less cool, though, since she doesn't tell you that you were right about her being afraid of being loved, she just says "but things are different now" or something to that effect.

Modifié par Quething, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:05 .

[whykikyouwhy]

@jamesp81 - Understandable. I have the same protective instincts, and maybe because I have sisters, I was able to relate to the f!Hawke/Bethany relationship better (thus explaining my reluctance up until now to do a Carver run). Of course, I'm fiercely protective of female and male friends alike as well, so go figure.

[jamesp81]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@jamesp81 - Understandable. I have the same protective instincts, and maybe because I have sisters, I was able to relate to the f!Hawke/Bethany relationship better (thus explaining my reluctance up until now to do a Carver run). Of course, I'm fiercely protective of female and male friends alike as well, so go figure.

What's strange about the whole thing for me is I'm an only child.  Never had that growing up.

I guess on some level it's something we all know and understand somewhere in our subconscious.

[shotgun-shepard]

Wow its quiet in here. Just finished Legacy and Izzy has one romance specific line that is entirely hilarious. In fact it was worth buying just for the new banter between her and Big Girl. Need to do another runthrough with Varric and Merrill, but I recommend everyone to take Izzy and Aveline at some point (there is a game of I-Spy but I shall say no more!).

I've updated my photobucket with a TON of new screencaps, this time default Marian with the nutella/blood smear tattoo ---> s928.photobucket.com/albums/ad129/the-weirdwolf/Dragon%20Age/


And trying to breathe some life into the thread...I challenge you all to write your own piece of party banter involving Isabela! Here's my explanation of Izzy's nicknames for the Hawke sisters (PG-13)

Aveline: I'm confused Isabela, don't you call Hawke sweetness?

Isabela: No Big Girl, Hawke is 'sweet thing', Bethany is sweetness.

Aveline: But what's the difference? They both have sweet in them...

Isabela: Well 'sweetness' is a description of Bethany's personality...*evil grin* 'sweet thing' is a description of the taste of Hawke's-

Aveline: WHY? Why did I have to ask?

Isabela: *dirty chuckle*

Your turn!