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[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?

Now that I think about it, I never had sex with Isabella. Leliana totally ****-blocked me.

[the_one_54321]

If this were the witcher I would agree with AngryPants. But it's not. Promiscuous s

[upsettingshorts]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

Yep. 

And that being said, I'm 99% sure the first person to bring up group sex was Leliana, not Isabela.  She wants to "keep an eye" on the Warden.

So from Isabela's perspective she was minding her own business in a tavern when a good looking couple asks to sleep with her.  If she's an uninhibited in the moment kind of person, she says "Sure, why not?"

Seems pretty straightforward to me.  But it's hardly all we know about her, considering she's beating up people before we even talk to her.

the_one_54321 wrote...

If this were the witcher I would agree with AngryPants. But it's not.

What does that game and its childish collect-all-the-women card game have to do with discussion of how one character is written in a totally different game?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[Anarya]

I never even knew about the group sex option until I read it here. I always just played her card game.

[nightcobra]

Anarya wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

Yep. Is it classier that way?

yup, right in the captain's quarters. coupled with a queen sized bed (benefits from piracy:P) and a bottle of the finest liquor.

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...

If he got offered group sex left and right, that would be indicative of the Warden's superhuman charisma. Since it only happened once and with Isabela, that's indicative of her promiscuity.

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?
Isabela: Sure, jump on.
Zevran: Can I come?
Isabela: Of course!

Completed the conversation for you.

It happens only when a very precise set of circumstances exist.  You know, the Warden is in a pre-existing relationship and has no issue sleeping with someone else.  The promiscuity going on in this scenario is not limited to Isabela, and your counterexample of having group sex not being offered constantly makes no sense, as the context for it being even a conceivable option doesn't ever exist.

Unless you're trying to suggest "I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORGY" should have been an option to settle the Dalish vs. Werewolves dispute.

I'd say the Coercion argument works just fine, thank you.

You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

Modifié par dan107, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[the_one_54321]

Stupid phone....



Promiscuous sex does not fall in your lap everywhere you go with a high coercion, even if it isn't incredibly uncommon. This was a very highlighted case. I think it's really really silly to try and argue that it wasn't.

[Backstage]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?

Now that I think about it, I never had sex with Isabella. Leliana totally ****-blocked me.

usually i leave the li in camp and then talk to isabella

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

There's some wildly off topic stuff going down.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:21 .

[nightcobra]

dan107 wrote...

You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

a bit toom much (and too costly too) if the developers had done that choice for every woman in the game.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Maria Caliban]

Anarya wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

Yep. Is it classier that way?

From a purely personal perspective, I'd rather be promiscuous on someone's private yacht than a charge-by-the-hour motel room. So, yes, it's classier.

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

No, I'm saying in that precise set of circumstances any uninhibited, not-exceptionally strong willed woman would have been up for it.

You can't just throw away the context of the moment because it suits your argument better.  Context is extremely important.  The fact that they were already in a brothel is huge.  Sex is very much in play the second you walk in the door, that's part of the point.  The virtuous, virginal women some folks prefer would likely never even go inside to begin with.  

Again, the context matters and cannot be ignored. Going up to some random woman in the market in Denerim and saying, "Hey join us in an orgy" would require a much more dramatic level of coercion than convincing a pirate in a brothel to do so.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:24 .

[Zanaide]

dan107 wrote...
 But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

That's not precisely accurate. The human noble Warden can hook up with Iona or Dairren before Howe's treachery becomes known.

http://dragonage.wik...a_Sweet_Dairren

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
There very well may be more to her than that, but as of DA:O that's
pretty much all we knew about her. That she's good with a knife, and
real easy. And yes, she was defined by that since that's all we
were shown. I'm just saying that it's an odd strating point to chose to
expand into a romance.

That's how you choose to define the character. The fact that I could have had a fourway with her completely passed me by on my playthrough, so as far as I know, she's good with a blade.

Beyond that, I might say she is liberal in her views of sexuality. That does not make her real easy. It also doesn't make her incapable of romance. People with liberal views of sexuality are perfectly capable of the most boring of relationships.

[Backstage]

i remember isabela commented on my male wardens strong hands. good times, good times.

it's funny people call companions ****s when the pc is prolly the biggest horndog or ****.

Modifié par Backstage, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:25 .

[TrackerTrem]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

She doesn't "offer" group sex. 

Isabela: Lets play cards.
Warden: Lets have sex.
Leliana: Uh, what?

Now that I think about it, I never had sex with Isabella. Leliana totally ****-blocked me.

LOL who would say lets have sex during a card game. And why would Isabela agree to it???

[dan107]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

No, I'm saying in that precise set of circumstances any uninhibited, not-exceptionally strong willed woman would have been up for it.

You can't just throw away the context of the moment because it suits your argument better.  Context is extremely important.  The fact that they were already in a brothel is huge.  Sex is very much in play the second you walk in the door, that's part of the point.  The virtuous, virginal women some folks prefer would likely never even go inside to begin with.  

Again, the context matters and cannot be ignored.

Well of her being in a brothel is the key to you, let me rephrase my question. Of all the women in DA:O that Bio could of chosen to expand into a full fledged romance, why pick the one that spends her spare time hanging out in brothels? Is that really the best place to meet the girl of your dreams? So my point still stands. Seriously, pretending that Isabela is as classy as the next girl is just silly.

[upsettingshorts]

TrackerTrem wrote...
LOL who would say lets have sex during a card game. And why would Isabela agree to it???

I forgot what the exact line, but it was more of a not-so-subtle hint than an outright "LETS GET BUSY NAO"  My Eroll Flynn-inspired Warden didn't want to play cards with some beautiful pirate woman.   What a waste of a good opportunity is what he'd say.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Anarya]

dan107 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

No, I'm saying in that precise set of circumstances any uninhibited, not-exceptionally strong willed woman would have been up for it.

You can't just throw away the context of the moment because it suits your argument better.  Context is extremely important.  The fact that they were already in a brothel is huge.  Sex is very much in play the second you walk in the door, that's part of the point.  The virtuous, virginal women some folks prefer would likely never even go inside to begin with.  

Again, the context matters and cannot be ignored.

Well of her being in a brothel is the key to you, let me rephrase my question. Of all the women in DA:O that Bio could of chosen to expand into a full fledged romance, why pick the one that spends her spare time hanging out in brothels? Is that really the best place to meet the girl of your dreams? So my point still stands. Seriously, pretending that Isabela is as classy as the next girl is just silly.

Because maybe she's an interesting character and perhaps there's more to her than just her promiscuity? Does every love interest have to be classy?

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

I'm pretty sure that's not the argument being made. The argument is that Isabela isn't the easiest of lays. She might be up for the adventure, but she's not going to let just anyone into her bed, especially when she probably has to worry about a dagger in the back often. The Warden is charming. Charm goes a long way, but only if you're open to the idea from the start. But again, being open to the idea doesn't mean you jump at every chance.

[blothulfur]

Yes we went to tour her poopdeck, perfectly innocent.

[dan107]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm pretty sure they went back to her ship, didn't they?

Yep. Is it classier that way?

From a purely personal perspective, I'd rather be promiscuous on someone's private yacht than a charge-by-the-hour motel room. So, yes, it's classier.

So see? There is such a thing as high and lowbrow promiscuity. I'm not sure if I would define a pirate ship as highbrow, but there you go.

[Backstage]

Pacifien wrote...

dan107 wrote...
There very well may be more to her than that, but as of DA:O that's
pretty much all we knew about her. That she's good with a knife, and
real easy. And yes, she was defined by that since that's all we
were shown. I'm just saying that it's an odd strating point to chose to
expand into a romance.

That's how you choose to define the character. The fact that I could have had a fourway with her completely passed me by on my playthrough, so as far as I know, she's good with a blade.

Beyond that, I might say she is liberal in her views of sexuality. That does not make her real easy. It also doesn't make her incapable of romance. People with liberal views of sexuality are perfectly capable of the most boring of relationships.

yea look at zev he slept with everyone but he was capable of a romance

[nightcobra]

dan107 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

dan107 wrote...
You're missing the point. Your arguement is that the Warden is so charismatic that any woman will agree to anything with him. If that's the case, then every woman should be up for an orgy. But that's not the case, only Isabela is. So that speaks to her, not to the Warden's persuasiveness.

No, I'm saying in that precise set of circumstances any uninhibited, not-exceptionally strong willed woman would have been up for it.

You can't just throw away the context of the moment because it suits your argument better.  Context is extremely important.  The fact that they were already in a brothel is huge.  Sex is very much in play the second you walk in the door, that's part of the point.  The virtuous, virginal women some folks prefer would likely never even go inside to begin with.  

Again, the context matters and cannot be ignored.

Well of her being in a brothel is the key to you, let me rephrase my question. Of all the women in DA:O that Bio could of chosen to expand into a full fledged romance, why pick the one that spends her spare time hanging out in brothels? Is that really the best place to meet the girl of your dreams? So my point still stands. Seriously, pretending that Isabela is as classy as the next girl is just silly.

if you're arguing on why bioware won't replace isabela for another character. well then i'm sorry to say this (ok no i'm not) but....
she IS going to be in the game regardless of what you say. although you have the choice to pass on her completely so...win/win?

[dan107]

Anarya wrote...
Because maybe she's an interesting character and perhaps there's more to her than just her promiscuity? Does every love interest have to be classy?

When it comes to a romance I'd say at least relatively. I mean seedy brothel with strangers is as low as you can get, really. Not every love interest has to be a virgin princess, but we're really talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel here.