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[whykikyouwhy]

Quething wrote...

Idle question for the Izzymancers: do your Hawkes always duel the Arishok when they romance Isabela? I have one who just went for the group fight and it felt kind of strange. Certainly I can't think of any fanfic that doesn't assume duel.

My Hawke accepts the duel. (Slightly) hopeless romantic player = hopeless romantic warrior.

[TobiTobsen]

With the right set of skills the Arishok is a piece of cake. So yes, I'll always duel him for Izzy. Just to feel like the Knight in Shining Armor

Even better with Lady Hawke. ****slapped by a woman who thinks she is a warrior! Madness!

[hoorayforicecream]

King Minos wrote...

I'm a fan of your work.

It's greatly appreciated! 

Do you have any story ideas you wish to see? I always ask this when I meet someone who says they're a fan of my work, it's one good way to keep the story ideas doc full.

sagequeen wrote...

after 'girly time' i let my hawke play it cool and say it meant nothing (though i know she was lying through her teeth. she tends to do that). anyhow, does that bug the izzy romance so that it doesn't actually continue?

I suppose it *could* be considered a bug... the 'no feelings' option probably should have had a heartbreak icon to drive it home. The game doesn't really support lying very well at all. If you tell Isabela it meant nothing, she'll take it at face value. 

also, my femhawke is a total flirt and i take just about any flirt option i'm given for her. will that also kill the romance?

Possibly. You can flirt with Aveline, Varric and random NPCs as much as you like. Fenris and Sebastian you have a certain amount of leeway with. Anders and Merrill you have to be really careful. One or two flirts can be safe, but if you provoke one of the other three to visit your house, you've probably tanked yourself, even if you send them away un-slept-with.

You can turn down Merrill and/or Anders before they get into bed and it shouldn't affect Isabela's romance. However, if you turn them down *after* a roll in the hay, Isabela will think it is over. Isabela pretty much needs you to be faithful to her (well, you could possibly take a romp with Fenris) in order to convince her it isn't just a shag.

Idle question for the Izzymancers: do your Hawkes always duel the Arishok when they romance Isabela? I have one who just went for the group fight and it felt kind of strange. Certainly I can't think of any fanfic that doesn't assume duel. 

In my opinion, dueling for her is much more romantic. I always chose the duel, personally... It just doesn't seem as romantic to attack the Arishok and all of his sidekicks with my small army. It's much more personal with the duel, and I find it much more resonant when it's personal.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 26 août 2011 - 09:48 .

[whykikyouwhy]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Even better with Lady Hawke. ****slapped by a woman who thinks she is a warrior! Madness!

(intentional italics by me)

Don't you mean "by a woman who is a warrior?" 

[hoorayforicecream]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Even better with Lady Hawke. ****slapped by a woman who thinks she is a warrior! Madness!

(intentional italics by me)

Don't you mean "by a woman who is a warrior?" 

Not according to Hornhead.

[whykikyouwhy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Even better with Lady Hawke. ****slapped by a woman who thinks she is a warrior! Madness!

(intentional italics by me)

Don't you mean "by a woman who is a warrior?" 

Not according to Hornhead.

Well I wasn't certain whose voice we were using there. Messere Scowly Face, or Messere TobiTobsen.

[King Minos]

Hoorayforicecream: I enjoyed the jealousy chapter. Is leander dead in your story? I would like to see how she reacts to Hawkes interesting love interest, maybe even Gamlen? He asks a pretty creepy question in da2, something that I doubt you would ask your daughter or female neice: I heard you been hanging around with that pirate wrench, what's it like being with another woman? I always wondered what it was like. It. Goes something alog those lines, but a creepy Gamlen trying to get with Isabela would be funny. I always liked Hawkes relationship with their sibling. I always hate my sister, she's the female version of a very angry Carver.

[TobiTobsen]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Even better with Lady Hawke. ****slapped by a woman who thinks she is a warrior! Madness!

(intentional italics by me)

Don't you mean "by a woman who is a warrior?" 

Not according to Hornhead.

Well I wasn't certain whose voice we were using there. Messere Scowly Face, or Messere TobiTobsen.

Na, I'm an ardent supporter of woman in chain mail and plate armor! Just look at my little commoner warrior :happy:

[whykikyouwhy]

TobiTobsen wrote...
Na, I'm an ardent supporter of woman in chain mail and plate armor! Just look at my little commoner warrior :happy:

I was hoping but wasn't sure, hence the sidelong glance. But, very good then. Carry on! 

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 26 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[Quething]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

You can turn down Merrill and/or Anders before they get into bed and it shouldn't affect Isabela's romance. However, if you turn them down *after* a roll in the hay, Isabela will think it is over. Isabela pretty much needs you to be faithful to her (well, you could possibly take a romp with Fenris) in order to convince her it isn't just a shag.

Hmn. I thought I borked Isabela on my first run by accidentally stringing along Merrill, but in retrospect I may have chosen the "it's just for fun" option after the sex on that Hawke.

As far as the duel goes, main!Hawke is a 2h warrior - the single most tedious possible class to duel the Arishok with, especially if you don't have Second Wind - but I'm with you guys, I always take the duel anyway, and just crank it down to Casual if I get sick of half-kiting. Cassandra's right, it is romantic. Also, I like to think it amps up the guilt factor for Izzy.

[TobiTobsen]

Quething wrote...

As far as the duel goes, main!Hawke is a 2h warrior - the single most tedious possible class to duel the Arishok with, especially if you don't have Second Wind

On my last playthrough I used AreleX's Berserker Vanguard Guide and the Arishok went down as if the Qun demanded it! After just one health potion and one stamina draught. It was glorious!

[shotgun-shepard]

Back off holidays!

I always do the duel, also a 2H warrior so it is a real drag but it's worth it since Marian is a snarky but hopelessly romantic fool. Also the idea that she's champion of Kirkwall not because she wanted to be but because she's a totally in love, p****-whipped idiot is ridiculously cute.

[hoorayforicecream]

I prefer to imagine it as more dodging, weaving and evading the Arishok's wild swings as Hawke runs about the room looking for things to throw in his way and to try to seize an advantage, and then taking it to wear the Arishok down. If I were to write the scene, that's what I'd do anyway. Ah, the limitations of gameplay and animation budgets...

[Prince_12]

Quick question for you Bella fans.

What was your reaction when you heared that Isable would be a companion in DA2? Just out of curiousity.

[whykikyouwhy]

Prince_12 wrote...

Quick question for you Bella fans.

What was your reaction when you heared that Isable would be a companion in DA2? Just out of curiousity.

I was in the process of playing DA:O when a lot of DA2 info started to get leaked, so it wasn't until later that I made the connection. I was intrigued - because even that brief snippet you get with her in DA:O was enough to indicate that she had quite the backstory and was quite formidable. Then when I heard she was an available LI for either gender of Hawke, my reaction was pretty much "hell yeah!"

But I'm base like that.

[Zjarcal]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I prefer to imagine it as more dodging, weaving and evading the Arishok's wild swings as Hawke runs about the room looking for things to throw in his way and to try to seize an advantage, and then taking it to wear the Arishok down. If I were to write the scene, that's what I'd do anyway. Ah, the limitations of gameplay and animation budgets...

Yeah, I agree.

Though I personally choose the all out brawl instead of the duel (I just prefer it that way), if I were to duel him I would imagine something different in my head.

[hoorayforicecream]

The problem I had with the actual gameplay of the Arishok fight was that the majority of the fight Hawke does the same thing over and over again (run, hit, repeat). In actuality, I think the Arishok fight probably could have worked a lot better if they had actually broken it up some more into discrete chunks, then separated them with cutscenes to drive the point home. Like... look at the Corypheus fight from Legacy. There's definite discrete chunks of things to do with Corypheus, and it alternates between trying to beat up certain things and trying to beat up other things. If they made the Arishok do different things (like behave how he does now for first third of his hp, then start throwing stuff for second third, then drop weapons and go hand to hand for last third), it would make it a lot less tedious and more interesting.

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The problem I had with the actual gameplay of the Arishok fight was that the majority of the fight Hawke does the same thing over and over again (run, hit, repeat). In actuality, I think the Arishok fight probably could have worked a lot better if they had actually broken it up some more into discrete chunks, then separated them with cutscenes to drive the point home. Like... look at the Corypheus fight from Legacy. There's definite discrete chunks of things to do with Corypheus, and it alternates between trying to beat up certain things and trying to beat up other things. If they made the Arishok do different things (like behave how he does now for first third of his hp, then start throwing stuff for second third, then drop weapons and go hand to hand for last third), it would make it a lot less tedious and more interesting.

Personally, I think the major problem is the vast hp pool. That above all, makes it tedious to me (and all other boss fights). An epic fight does not need to be long. A fight can be epic and just last 2 minutes. The duel with Loghain was not epic, but at least it was not tedious.

The chunks thing could be interesting, but what would he throw and how would Hawke dodge? Just run around? Does not sound that exciting to me. And hand to hand, like how?
I have not played Legacy, so I can't comment, but it seems to me that the mechanics are not favorable to chunks that are that varied and force us to do different things. At least with a guy like the Arishok.

Other than a few segments of QTE, I do not see how a one on one fight with these mechanics can be exciting. But many would find QTEs outrageous.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[Apathy1989]

I'm trying to play a isabela rivalmance, by being a do-gooder femhawk. Was oh so so hard to get her sufficiently rivaled while still flirting (ended up doing only flirt by forgiving her for betraying me in the fade).

Its working now and looking forward to seeing her dialogue changes in act 3. :happy:

Modifié par Apathy1989, 28 août 2011 - 10:49 .

[Derengard]

Great, I've played the siege of the city two times, once promising to give her the book and once without but she didn't come back. Her friendship is almost full, and I had a non-romantic relationship with her. Besides, why is there even the option to give her the book? It's insane. She more or less admits it was a mistake, and here it seems to be a requirement for her to come back (although it wasn't enough for me). She says she's in danger without it, but you can't tell me that she actually has to be afraid, with the support of the champion of Kirkwall and the rest of the party, no less. Ah, anyway. I guess I need to have a serious relationship with her. So many requirements, this is quite bothersome.

Modifié par Derengard, 29 août 2011 - 12:50 .

[hoorayforicecream]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The chunks thing could be interesting, but what would he throw and how would Hawke dodge? Just run around? Does not sound that exciting to me. And hand to hand, like how?

Throw furniture. They could just place a bunch of chairs, dressers, statues, suits of armor, etc. in a pile, like a barricade, then he could hurl pieces at Hawke. Hawke has to dodge the pieces while damaging the Arishok. One could make it a timing thing, maybe after every N shots, the Arishok is winded and you've got your window to attack. If you get hit, you get knocked back, take damage, and need to close distance again. After the window ends, he takes a big swipe and you're back to dodging the thrown debris until he's sufficiently damaged to move to phase 3.

Hand to hand would just be different attack patterns, and different behavior. Perhaps he only drinks health potions when he's in his final third health. Maybe he has grab type attacks here that Hawke needs to break somehow (use a stun, perhaps?). Maybe he charges a lot more because he's bloody and enraged. You could increase the damage he takes to show how he's losing it. If he charges into a wall, maybe he gets stunned. Differentiate the two with attack speeds and animations... when he's going hand to hand, he's trying to swing his full weight into each blow, rather than more elegantly with his original weapons. Or maybe he's just faster at attacking, but doesn't hit as hard. The important thing is to make it feel different, and to give the player different things to think about.

Or we could just make it a pure damage race at the end, Hawke and the Arishok just slugging it out, with similar HP levels at the end, and force it to come down to Hawke's DPS vs the Arishok's, and use a special class-based killing blow like at the end of Legacy. That would certainly befit the climax to a duel.

I have not played Legacy, so I can't comment, but it seems to me that the mechanics are not favorable to chunks that are that varied and force us to do different things. At least with a guy like the Arishok.

And this is why not everyone can be a game designer. It's just another set of constraints that need to be worked within.

[hoorayforicecream]

Derengard wrote...

Great, I've played the siege of the city two times, once promising to give her the book and once without but she didn't come back. Her friendship is almost full, and I had a non-romantic relationship with her. Besides, why is there even the option to give her the book? It's insane. She more or less admits it was a mistake, and here it seems to be a requirement for her to come back (although it wasn't enough for me). She says she's in danger without it, but you can't tell me that she actually has to be afraid, with the support of the champion of Kirkwall and the rest of the party, no less. Ah, anyway. I guess I need to have a serious relationship with her. So many requirements, this is quite bothersome.

You need to do the Questioning Beliefs quest that is triggered at 50% approval (friendship or rivalry) before starting her companion quest (To Catch a Thief) for her to come back. She won't return until the very climax of act 2. If you don't complete the quest, she won't return regardless of her approval rating. For further information, I suggest clicking the Isabela FAQ link in my sig.