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[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...

Though I always figure that with him dead, there's a decent chance it's still waiting in the dock and you can steal it anyway when fleeing the Templars, if you do her quest close enough to Last Straw. If you don't mind mustard fabric

I always thought that with Castillon on the receiving end of a pointy object or five, the Chief Engineer or First Mate or Quartermaster or whoever would assume command and tell them all to leave. 

[Quething]

Depends on how long it takes them to figure out he's dead, and whether there's anyone with enough charisma and authority to hold the crew together or if they're all the type to disperse without a leader, I suppose. I've seen people suggest that part of Isabela's fear is because Castillon has some well-oiled business empire that can reach anyone, anywhere, in which case, yeah, there's definitely some lieutenant on his ship just waiting for the opportunity to take his place.

If he's more the scary personal hands-on type, though, I can see the crew wanting to get away from any association with Castillon whatsoever - his ship, the rest of his crew, his cargo, everything - lest they get caught in whatever befell him. Or some of them being the Martin type, who were just waiting for an excuse to get out but didn't want to risk pissing off the boss.

(Really mostly I think I just want Isabela to get her ship. XD Hawke wanted to sail away with her too, dammit.)

[Wulfram]

The thing which gets me is, isn't stealing ships what Pirates do?

[whykikyouwhy]

Wulfram wrote...

The thing which gets me is, isn't stealing ships what Pirates do?

True, but so is besting an opponent in a humiliating way and having the legend of said besting be told the world over. Since Isabela is a duelist, she might be more inclined to have the fair match (more or less) and would much rather vanquish her foe face to face (if only figuratively in this case) than to go out to the docks at night and sneak on board.

[Master Shiori]

I always liked to imagine that Hawke eventualy used her fortune to have a new ship made as a gift to Isabela. Always handy to have a way of getting out of the city in a hurry, if things get bad.

[hoorayforicecream]

Wulfram wrote...

The thing which gets me is, isn't stealing ships what Pirates do?

Nah. Robbing ships is what Pirates do. It's actually pretty hard to steal a ship, if only because it requires a good number of people to actually make one move.

[Sealy]

I am so torn during that scene cause I always bring Fen as I believe he and Izzy are besties. Do I let the slaver live and... slaver, or kill him and just suffer Isabelas harumphing. Usually I let her have the boat cause Fen doesn't really seem to care and he is always maxed by then anywho.

[Quething]

Fen gives no Rivalry for letting Castillon go and no friendship for killing him.

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

I've never seen much point in not killing him, though. If you're Friending Izzy she doesn't really care, and if you're Rivaling her you're actually doing her a favor because she'll feel really bad about it later if you don't. To agree to her deal your Hawke has to a) not hate slavers, a2) not feel a general responsibility to Castillon's victims, past and potential, not be at all worried that Castillon will break his word and remain a threat, c) not be irritated enough at Izzy's mild double-cross to want to mildly double-cross her back, d) not be governed by any secret shameful lust-related ulterior motives to want her to stay in Kirkwall, e) not be dedicated to sanctimonious prathood teaching her the error of her ways (I kid, I kid, I don't hate the Rival path).

Thus far all but one of my Hawkes have fallen into at least one of those categories. So poor Izzy tends to stay landlocked in my games.

[Jellyfloater]

So, I've been lurking in this thread for a few weeks, and I just have to say... Snacking is quite possibly the best fanfic I have ever read. The M rating made me miss it on ff.net at first, so I'm really glad I came to this thread.
On to the topic at hand, so far in all my playthroughs I've let Isabela keep the ship... Mostly because my Hawke is so absolutely smitten with Isabela, she basically does anything she wants >.> <.<

[whykikyouwhy]

@Jellyfloater - Welcome aboard! (disclaimer - I am not an official welcoming committee, so unfortunately, I do not come bearing any casseroles or cakes. Sorry. :< )

@Fleshdress - In all of my playthroughs, I've opted for letting Castillon live so that Isabela could get the ship. I have a hard time denying any of the companions anything once I've gotten their direct input on the matter - I figure if they're willing to go with Hawke on all of her madcap adventures battling spiders, varterell, bandits, dog lords, dragons, etc, the least she could do is honor a few wishes. Besides, it seems right to me to let her have the ship - in my head canon, she'll greet Castillon with the pointy end of a dagger once things settle in Kirkwall, I figure.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Quething wrote...

Fen gives no Rivalry for letting Castillon go and no friendship for killing him.

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

I've never seen much point in not killing him, though. If you're Friending Izzy she doesn't really care, and if you're Rivaling her you're actually doing her a favor because she'll feel really bad about it later if you don't. To agree to her deal your Hawke has to a) not hate slavers, a2) not feel a general responsibility to Castillon's victims, past and potential, not be at all worried that Castillon will break his word and remain a threat, c) not be irritated enough at Izzy's mild double-cross to want to mildly double-cross her back, d) not be governed by any secret shameful lust-related ulterior motives to want her to stay in Kirkwall, e) not be dedicated to sanctimonious prathood teaching her the error of her ways (I kid, I kid, I don't hate the Rival path).

Thus far all but one of my Hawkes have fallen into at least one of those categories. So poor Izzy tends to stay landlocked in my games.

  Good grief.  Aveline, I am disappoint.

Thanks for the tidbit.

[shotgun-shepard]

I agree with whykikyouwhy. I always let Isabela have the ship and the enjoyment of besting Castillon because in my head-canon, they get him eventually anyway. Maybe whilst they are docked in Antiva, they hear some sailors having a laugh about Castillon the shipless one and, satisfied that Castillon has been well ridiculed, Isabela would admit to Hawke that letting him live did leave a bad taste in her mouth.

I have too much time on my hands, figuring this stuff out, but that's how I reason the situation

[hoorayforicecream]

Jellyfloater wrote...

So, I've been lurking in this thread for a few weeks, and I just have to say... Snacking is quite possibly the best fanfic I have ever read. The M rating made me miss it on ff.net at first, so I'm really glad I came to this thread.
On to the topic at hand, so far in all my playthroughs I've let Isabela keep the ship... Mostly because my Hawke is so absolutely smitten with Isabela, she basically does anything she wants >.> <.<

Welcome, and glad to have you aboard. I'm happy you had fun with Snacking; I always like hearing from folks who enjoy it (so I pick their brains for story ideas I can steal adapt).

On the topic of the ship, I couldn't help myself... I knew Isabela wanted it so bad that first playthrough that Hawke couldn't say no to her. That Hawke was more of a mercenary though... she'd do things for coin or laughs, and that's probably why she got along with Isabela so well. I typically give her the ship on the friendship path, and kill Castillon on the rival path.

[Zjarcal]

Quething wrote...

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

What the... 

I could understand that if it was rivarly for killing him and friendship for arresting him, but that ain't the case.

Goddammit Aveline! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 15 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Zjarcal wrote...

Quething wrote...

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

What the... 

I could understand that if it was rivarly for killing him and friendship for arresting him, but that ain't the case.

Goddammit Aveline! 

Probably a bug that slipped by QA.

[jlb524]

Quething wrote...

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

I think it's b/c Hawke is acting as a vigilante by taking the law into her hands so that's where the rivalry comes from (I think).  The friendship gain makes zero sense, though.  It seems to me that Aveline wants to arrest Castilon and use the documents as evidence, but that's not an option for Hawke.

Quething wrote...

I've never seen much point in not killing him, though. If you're Friending Izzy she doesn't really care, and if you're Rivaling her you're actually doing her a favor because she'll feel really bad about it later if you don't. To agree to her deal your Hawke has to a) not hate slavers, a2) not feel a general responsibility to Castillon's victims, past and potential, not be at all worried that Castillon will break his word and remain a threat, c) not be irritated enough at Izzy's mild double-cross to want to mildly double-cross her back, d) not be governed by any secret shameful lust-related ulterior motives to want her to stay in Kirkwall, e) not be dedicated to sanctimonious prathood teaching her the error of her ways (I kid, I kid, I don't hate the Rival path).

Thus far all but one of my Hawkes have fallen into at least one of those categories. So poor Izzy tends to stay landlocked in my games.

That's what mine do as well, except one.

[Maria Caliban]

I imagine it went this way...

Hawke: I don't know. It's a powerful idol of a dragon god that supposedly tried to destroy the world. Maybe I shouldn't tamper with it?
Isabela: Do it. Do it!
Merrill: Is Hawke messing with the dangerous magical statue? I want to watch.
Bethany: I think it would be best if we all watched from the other side of the temple.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[shotgun-shepard]

Unless Aveline's train of thought at the time was 'Get the wench her ship and get her out of MY city.' Although by that time in Act 3, they do seem to have a strong, if unlikely, friendship.

Although the plot itself makes no sense if Aveline is in your party, what's the point of not giving the documents to the guard, when the Captain has already seen them and the proof of Castillon's guilt? I generally don't take her on that quest for that reason.

[Zjarcal]

shotgun-shepard wrote...
Although the plot itself makes no sense if Aveline is in your party, what's the point of not giving the documents to the guard, when the Captain has already seen them and the proof of Castillon's guilt? I generally don't take her on that quest for that reason.

That's true as well. It is indeed best to just not take her in that quest.

[Giggles_Manically]

Depends on my Hawke.
My canon squished Castillion simply for being a slaver.

Ship be damned, there were slavers to kill!

[hoorayforicecream]

shotgun-shepard wrote...

Unless Aveline's train of thought at the time was 'Get the wench her ship and get her out of MY city.' Although by that time in Act 3, they do seem to have a strong, if unlikely, friendship.

Although the plot itself makes no sense if Aveline is in your party, what's the point of not giving the documents to the guard, when the Captain has already seen them and the proof of Castillon's guilt? I generally don't take her on that quest for that reason.

A lot of act 3 doesn't make a lot of sense. I try to take the scenes there with a grain of salt.

On a loosely-related note, Snacking part the eleventh is in planning, for those interested.

[Maugrim]

Considering that those refugee/slaves Castillon had could just as easily been Hawke's friends from Lothering or even her own family if she hadn't made it out of Ostagar(most of mine are rogues) makes it very easy for Hawke to skewer the bastard 6 ways from Sunday. Doesn't matter if Isabela is romanced or on friendship or rival path. If she wants the ship Hawke will gladly give/help her take it, buy her one or help steal it from someone who has it coming to them.

But no slavers going free.

[Quething]

Actually I don't think it's a bug. Aveline's actually very consistent about that. She also gives Rivalry for telling Isabela to give the Tome back, and Friendship for telling her to take it and run. And remember that banter she has with Merrill about why she doesn't arrest Hawke?

The thing to remember about Aveline is that, as much as she loves law and order and Doing The Right Thing, she actually values family more, and is a total hypocrite about her job when it affects the people she considers hers. As much as Isabela drives her nuts, she does care about her a lot, and if Hawke does anything to sell her out in any way, Aveline considers that an extremely uncool betrayal of family.

I do like how we all want it both ways. Kill Castillon? Well, she'll get a ship anyway, his crew will abandon it or Hawke will just buy her one! Give her the ship? Well, they'll hunt him down later, why wouldn't they?

[hoorayforicecream]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Considering that those refugee/slaves Castillon had could just as easily been Hawke's friends from Lothering or even her own family if she hadn't made it out of Ostagar(most of mine are rogues) makes it very easy for Hawke to skewer the bastard 6 ways from Sunday. Doesn't matter if Isabela is romanced or on friendship or rival path. If she wants the ship Hawke will gladly give/help her take it, buy her one or help steal it from someone who has it coming to them.

But no slavers going free.

I never thought that my Hawke felt one way or another about the refugees from Ferelden. They were all refugees, and Hawke rose from them by being stronger, smarter, and more capable than them. If there were really friends from Lothering, my Hawke probably would have done something to make them not refugees anymore. But she had no problems employing them to work at the Bone Pit (a place known to be quite dangerous, considering that each time you turn around and visit it, miners are dead for some reason or other).

Coin or giggles, that's what my Hawke was mostly looking for. Plus Isabela was looking so happy when she offered the deal, it's so hard to say no to that smile and those eyes... 

[Mary Kirby]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Quething wrote...

Aveline, of all people, will give Rivalry if you kill him and friendship if you let him go, but that's par for the course with her, she's at her most hypocritical when it comes to her friendship with Izzy.

What the... 

I could understand that if it was rivarly for killing him and friendship for arresting him, but that ain't the case.

Goddammit Aveline! 

Probably a bug that slipped by QA.

No, that's what Luke intended. Aveline is hypocritical when it comes to Isabela. As much as she will fight with her for being irresponsible and selfish, Aveline always wants Isabela to be happy. In Izzy quests, if it will give rivalry to Isabela, it will probably give rivalry to Aveline, too.