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[Shepard Lives]

Russalka wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...
People are perverse like that. You should be well aware of it, seeing as you post on these boards regularly.

This speaks of immaturity to me, rather than perversion. Sex is everywhere, people should just get used to it.

Isabela does not seem like blatant fan service, so her appearance and her personality do not bother me.

Sorry, wrong choice of words- immature is what I should have said. I agree with you.

[Anarya]

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Because maybe she's an interesting character and perhaps there's more to her than just her promiscuity? Does every love interest have to be classy?

When it comes to a romance I'd say at least relatively. I mean seedy brothel with strangers is as low as you can get, really. Not every love interest has to be a virgin princess, but we're really talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

In your opinion. And once again you're entirely equating her worth as a person with her sexual habits. Is that really all you look for in a woman?

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
Well of her being in a brothel is the key to you, let me rephrase my question. Of all the women in DA:O that Bio could of chosen to expand into a full fledged romance, why pick the one that spends her spare time hanging out in brothels? Is that really the best place to meet the girl of your dreams? So my point still stands. Seriously, pretending that Isabela is as classy as the next girl is just silly. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Who said anything of the sort?  Variety is the spice of life.  Notions of some "dream girl" best remain in ones dreams, or at the very least when figuring out which key words to type into Google Image Search. 

That being said, I think more "romances" in Bioware games ought to be based in primal lust for the sake of variety.  They can turn into something else, sure, but there's more than one path to a serious relationship.  Not that the "romance" even needs to be serious, maybe Hawke and Isabela are just having fun along the way?  Why does it have to be serious?  Don't like that romance?  Don't do it. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:34 .

[dan107]

Pacifien wrote...
I'm pretty sure that's not the argument being made. The argument is that Isabela isn't the easiest of lays. She might be up for the adventure, but she's not going to let just anyone into her bed, especially when she probably has to worry about a dagger in the back often. The Warden is charming. Charm goes a long way, but only if you're open to the idea from the start. But again, being open to the idea doesn't mean you jump at every chance.

Charming or not -- 3 strangers after a 5 minute conversation? That says something about her. Not every, and I would wager hardly any, woman can be persuaded to something like that that quickly unless she's looking for it herself. Regardless of how charming the guy is.

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
Well of her being in a brothel is the key to you, let me rephrase my question. Of all the women in DA:O that Bio could of chosen to expand into a full fledged romance, why pick the one that spends her spare time hanging out in brothels? Is that really the best place to meet the girl of your dreams? So my point still stands. Seriously, pretending that Isabela is as classy as the next girl is just silly.

What exactly are we arguing here? Why did the developers choose to further develop a minor character from Dragon Age: Origins? Why did they develop a possible romantic interest who has had a promiscuous past? Is Isabela a classy chick?

No wait, now I remember. It was whether or not promiscuity defined Isabela's character from what little we saw in DA:O.

No, it didn't.

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
Charming or not -- 3 strangers after a 5 minute conversation? That says something about her. Not every, and I would wager hardly any, woman can be persuaded to something like that that quickly unless she's looking for it herself. Regardless of how charming the guy is.

Not to be too technical but I'm pretty sure it's couple (strangers) and someone she's been with before (Zevran).

And um, she's in a brothel.  Approach her at the supermarket and maybe she says, "Um, I'm buying groceries.  Go away."

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:36 .

[AtreiyaN7]

dan107 wrote...

The Lesser Evil wrote...
The Warden sleeping with someone they just met 5 minutes ago in a seedy tavern, suggesting their love interest join them and then accepting Isabela's suggestion of another one of the Warden's companions (Zevran) joining in says much more about the Warden than it says about Isabela. Remember, Isabela's not the one to initiate any intimacy, and the Warden needs high coercion to convince her to join.

Considering that you can persuade party members that exterminating the Circle mages or the Dalish Elves is the right thing to do, I really don't think convincing a liberal minded woman to engage in sexual acticity with three attractive young people is really something to fault Isabela for.

I'm not. I'm not even saying that it was objectively wrong. I'm just saying that it makes her unattractive as a romance prospect. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be too thrilled to be with a girl who I know got double teamed in the back of a seedy tavern by strangers.

Edit: Oh, I'm sorry, she got Persuaded to do so. That absolves her of all responsibility.

I don't know what planet you're from, but I think most people (and I'm female) find it offensive to see you constantly use the prohibited terms to describe Isabela. Just because certain terms you're using happen to be in the dictionary doesn't mean you can ignore the history of said terms being used pretty much exclusively in a derogatory manner against women.

I'm only saying it here, because I don't want to quote your other posts. As for your issues with Isabela, hey, thanks, we all know you don't like her or her morality. Yeah, I suppose if a male had an "encounter" involving multiple women, he'd be high-fiving his buddies or you'd be high-fiving him and he wouldn't be called a man of "loose morals."

What I don't like is seeing someone being a hypocrite, and I think you probably are - unless you're telling me you'd hold yourself and all other males to the same high standards you feel every single women should hew to. Would you call out a guy who had a lot of "romantic" flings? Now I'm curious.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[dan107]

Anarya wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Because maybe she's an interesting character and perhaps there's more to her than just her promiscuity? Does every love interest have to be classy?

When it comes to a romance I'd say at least relatively. I mean seedy brothel with strangers is as low as you can get, really. Not every love interest has to be a virgin princess, but we're really talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

In your opinion. And once again you're entirely equating her worth as a person with her sexual habits. Is that really all you look for in a woman?

Of course not. But not having a history of ganbangs with strangers she met in a brothel is one of the things I look for in a woman. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in this.

Modifié par dan107, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:42 .

[upsettingshorts]

filaminstrel wrote...

I don't really like how with the persuade options you say the exact same thing, but their response depends on a check. I mean, yeah, the way you say things is super important and all that, but still, surely a more charismatic person would often say something entirely different in certain situations than someone who's not so charismatic, yes?

RPG abstraction.  A person who has no skill in swordsmanship still has the same auto-attack animation as someone who has been using them their whole lives. 

dan107 wrote...
Of course not. But not having a history of ganbangs with strangers she met in a borther is one of the things I look for in a woman. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in this. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

But you're not dating her.  Hawke is.   Maybe your Hawke is into it, maybe he isn't.  It's an option.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Pacifien]

dan107 wrote...
Charming or not -- 3 strangers after a 5 minute conversation? That says something about her. Not every, and I would wager hardly any, woman can be persuaded to something like that that quickly unless she's looking for it herself. Regardless of how charming the guy is.

5 minutes gametime. Did you want to sit there for four hours buying her drinks and getting to know her better before the option came up? There were darkspawn needed killing, man. Can't keep a game stuck at the Pearl forever just so it could adequately portray foreplay.

[Backstage]

dan107 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I'm pretty sure that's not the argument being made. The argument is that Isabela isn't the easiest of lays. She might be up for the adventure, but she's not going to let just anyone into her bed, especially when she probably has to worry about a dagger in the back often. The Warden is charming. Charm goes a long way, but only if you're open to the idea from the start. But again, being open to the idea doesn't mean you jump at every chance.

Charming or not -- 3 strangers after a 5 minute conversation? That says something about her. Not every, and I would wager hardly any, woman can be persuaded to something like that that quickly unless she's looking for it herself. Regardless of how charming the guy is.

the whole point of the convo was to teach you to be a duelist, through a card game or sex.  Plus Alistair and leliana invite themselves.  Only peron isabela asks to tag along is zevran, who apparently has slept with isabela before.

that whole gangbang might be completely mechanical

[nightcobra]

dan107 wrote...


Of course not. But not having a history of ganbangs with strangers she met in a borther is one of the things I look for in a woman. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in this.

then don't choose isabela and go for another LI, you're not obligated to do it you know?

[Anarya]

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Because maybe she's an interesting character and perhaps there's more to her than just her promiscuity? Does every love interest have to be classy?

When it comes to a romance I'd say at least relatively. I mean seedy brothel with strangers is as low as you can get, really. Not every love interest has to be a virgin princess, but we're really talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

In your opinion. And once again you're entirely equating her worth as a person with her sexual habits. Is that really all you look for in a woman?

Of course not. But not having a history of ganbangs with strangers she met in a borther is one of the things I look for in a woman. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in this.

Ok disregarding the fact that it's not a gangbang, your argument is that the writing team should not write a romance involving a character that you personally find unappealing. An optional romance that is one of several choices in the game. I don't understand that angle.

[upsettingshorts]

Exactly.

It's entirely possible to be equally turned off by Tali's childlike infatuation with the protagonist. I didn't pursue the romance. End of story. It didn't bother me that it was there. Personally I'm hoping to set her up with Kal'Reagor or something.

Or be turned off by the fact Jack is a sociopath.

Or be turned off that Morrigan is a misanthrope.

Or be turned off that Alistair is a clumsy virgin.

Or be turned off that Leliana was/is a religious person.

Or be turned off that Zevran is a professional killer.

Or be turned off that Jacob is boring.

That's why they're options.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:42 .

[Backstage]

i think gaider said once (i might be wrong) that bw wants you to like or hate a character, not feel apathy for them

[dan107]

Pacifien wrote...
What exactly are we arguing here? Why did the developers choose to further develop a minor character from Dragon Age: Origins? Why did they develop a possible romantic interest who has had a promiscuous past? Is Isabela a classy chick?

No wait, now I remember. It was whether or not promiscuity defined Isabela's character from what little we saw in DA:O.

No, it didn't.

I laid out my reasons for why she is clearly promiscuous several times. I also stated that I find it odd why the chose her off all people to develop into a romance. Not sure what more I can add other than refer you to my previous posts.

[Pacifien]

Okay, "gangbang" is also not on the table for terms to be used during civil discourse. I shouldn't have to make a list of words that are unacceptable here, and I'm not going to. Use common sense. That's your only warning.

[UberDuber]

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Modifié par Pacifien, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Backstage]

i think gaider said once he doesnt want people to feel apathy for characters, yo either like them or hate them.

[Backstage]

Pacifien wrote...

Okay, "gangbang" is also not on the table for terms to be used during civil discourse. I shouldn't have to make a list of words that are unacceptable here, and I'm not going to. Use common sense. That's your only warning.

but it's a funny word

[upsettingshorts]

dan107 wrote...
I also stated that I find it odd why the chose her off all people to develop into a romance.

Because she wasn't chosen "out of all people."    And again, some people like uninhibited women.  Are their preferences less valid than yours? 

In any case, it's hardly all there is to her character.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 octobre 2010 - 07:44 .

[Dave of Canada]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

And um, she's in a brothel.

That alone should /thread.

[Thunderfox]

The amount of idealistic, 'romantic", somewhat prudish people on here is quite shocking IMO