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[Quething]

Four rune slots isn't that cool. You only really need two: 1 for PLR, one for a RoD. There aren't any other weapon runes that are really worth your time in the base game, particularly not for Izzy, who can get to 100% crit chance without too much trouble and thus has no use for RoS either. And the dagger doesn't even have a unique mesh. Don't feel bad, guys.

Casavir's the guy who tells you about her in the Pearl, isn't he? He did seem quite loyal, and not even in a "I want to bone her" way.

@Esbatty:

[hoorayforicecream]

Elemental damage is never to be overlooked. Primeval Lyrium, Rune of Devastation, sure. Then you toss on some spirit damage to lower their resistances and you're golden. It's also electrical damage, which occasionally stuns enemies.

As for Casavir, I get the feeling that he's probably one of Isabela's long-standing crewmen. And while we may (almost) all love Isabela, it's not hard to see why some wouldn't find her particular brand of freedom unappealing on a personal level, while still seeing the profit in a professional relationship. Just gotta be careful that you don't get left on the dock for being an idiot.

[Mr.House]

Maybe she felt that without a ship, he was no longer her first mate in her eyes and thought he would slow her down.

[hoorayforicecream]

Mr.House wrote...

Maybe she felt that without a ship, he was no longer her first mate in her eyes and thought he would slow her down.

I read the quote as her leaving him on the dock (possibly in Val Chevin?) before her ship and crew went down.

[Lenimph]

*agrees with hooray* Yeah that's also how I read that

[Quething]

Qunari (well, kossith) are immune to electric, though, and half the enemies you fight from there on out are kossith (assuming you don't bail on Tallis).

It's a great dagger for Last Straw, though, no arguing that. Actually most of Act III. Lots of golems and shades to stab.

Incidentally, are we cluttering up the impossible timeline again? Isabela shanked my Warden's jory about a month before the Battle of Denerim, as far as I can tell - possibly as little as a week. That gives her less than a year to get to Val Chevin, stage a breakout, free Castillon's slaves, steal the Tome, and get shipwrecked in Kirkwall. She still works better than Anders but it's a tight squeeze. The Siren must have been a damn fast ship.

Modifié par Quething, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Mr.House]

Quething wrote...

Qunari (well, kossith) are immune to electric, though, and half the enemies you fight from there on out are kossith (assuming you don't bail on Tallis).

It's a great dagger for Last Straw, though, no arguing that. Actually most of Act III. Lots of golems and shades to stab.

Incidentally, are we cluttering up the impossible timeline again? Isabela shanked my Warden's jory about a month before the Battle of Denerim, as far as I can tell - possibly as little as a week. That gives her less than a year to get to Val Chevin, stage a breakout, free Castillon's slaves, steal the Tome, and get shipwrecked in Kirkwall. She still works better than Anders but it's a tight squeeze. The Siren must have been a damn fast ship.

My Warden made a bee line for the Pearl after Lothering

[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...

Qunari (well, kossith) are immune to electric, though, and half the enemies you fight from there on out are kossith (assuming you don't bail on Tallis).

It's a great dagger for Last Straw, though, no arguing that. Actually most of Act III. Lots of golems and shades to stab.

Incidentally, are we cluttering up the impossible timeline again? Isabela shanked my Warden's jory about a month before the Battle of Denerim, as far as I can tell - possibly as little as a week. That gives her less than a year to get to Val Chevin, stage a breakout, free Castillon's slaves, steal the Tome, and get shipwrecked in Kirkwall. She still works better than Anders but it's a tight squeeze. The Siren must have been a damn fast ship.

It makes a reasonable amount of sense if you rearrange it a bit. Consider this order of events:

1. At the Pearl in Denerim before the blight
2. Frees Castillon's slaves, Castillon gets angry.
3. Goes to Orlais to gather information on the tome. Casavir gets locked up, they stage a breakout, etc. They find the information they need.
4. Follow and ambush the Orlesian delegation to the Qunari
5. Run from Qunari, things go to crap, end up in Kirkwall (conveniently located between Val Chevin and Highever)

It can work. The key to making it fit (aside from having it happen over the course of a year and change) is that the trip to Orlais coincides with the stealing of the tome. Which makes perfect sense, because the Orlesians had the tome and were dealing with the Qunari for it.

[Quething]

Fair point.

Actually she sort of has to have pissed off Castillon during the DA:O timeline, doesn't she? Because she says the slaves she freed were refugees who had paid Castillon to get them away from the Blight, and he'd taken the opportunity for double profit. Probably she was escorting the last ship out of Denerim before the darkspawn got there. Assuming the Hawkes made it to Kirkwall during the second or third treaty, that still leaves her at least six months to much about in Orlais.

Bad luck for her the Orlesians decided to sell it just when she finally found it. Seems to be a recurring theme. XD

Modifié par Quething, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:05 .

[hoorayforicecream]

On a side note, what do you suppose the Qunari offered the Orlesians for the tome?

[Quething]

Murder?

(Under the Qun, you only do what you're good at. The Arishok is the military leader. Amusingly, Isabela's theft probably saved dozens of Orlesian lives.)

If you mean what did they say they'd give, probably more promises of peace they had no intention of keeping.

[Master Shiori]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

On a side note, what do you suppose the Qunari offered the Orlesians for the tome?

Hard to say. 

Qunari don't value the same things as the rest of Thedas. And judging from Dule Prosper's reaction at getting the scroll in MotA, Orlesians would want the things Qunari would never give willingly.

I doubt it's a promise of non aggression, since such a treaty has already been signed and is being honored (amusingly enough, it was the Chantry that already broke it once when they massacred the Qunari converts in Rivain..).

[whykikyouwhy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

On a side note, what do you suppose the Qunari offered the Orlesians for the tome?

Well, if Orlais is indeed attempting to reconquer Fereldan, and possibly other lands as well, perhaps assistance with that endeavor. Or more specifically, gaatlok. Orlesian armies with gunpowder would be fairly formidable.

Prosper does mention dreadnought plans when talking to Salit - clearly the Orlesians are lusting after Kossith technology.

[TobiTobsen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Maybe she felt that without a ship, he was no longer her first mate in her eyes and thought he would slow her down.

I read the quote as her leaving him on the dock (possibly in Val Chevin?) before her ship and crew went down.

Maybe he brought feelings into their relationship after she rescued him from prison?

[Batlass8]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

On a side note, what do you suppose the Qunari offered the Orlesians for the tome?

My guess would be the same thing the duke was hoping to get in MotA... a "weapon," which would invariably have turned out not to be what the Orlesians actually wanted.

[hoorayforicecream]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Maybe he brought feelings into their relationship after she rescued him from prison?

I seriously doubt it. I get the feeling that, after sailing with Isabela for a while, you'd get the feeling she wouldn't be the type. Though it's possible, I guess. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a guy tried to put the moves on a woman who wasn't interested.

[TEWR]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

On a side note, what do you suppose the Qunari offered the Orlesians for the tome?

We really don't know what the nature of the exchange was going to be, so we don't know if they were asking for anything to begin with. Granted, it is likely they may have asked for something.

I assume they might have been using it as a cover for the Empress' dealings with Tal-Vashoth. She's been dealing with Salit, so who's to say she hadn't been trying to get other Tal-Vashoth to help her out?

[Mr.House]

There's also the possibility that this was all a ruse with the mission to capture the Arishok. I doubt he would have talked though.

[hoorayforicecream]

It wouldn't make any sense that the Arishok himself would go if it was a meeting between the Tal-Vashoth and the Orlesians. The Arishok went because they knew the Tome was going to be there. He brought hundreds of warriors (and even some Saarebas) with him to secure it. They had to know it was for real. There had to be some sort of deal brokered. It doesn't make any sense otherwise, and involving the Tal-Vashoth there would confuse it even more.

I suspect that Quething could possibly be right though - it's very possible the Qunari would betray the bas and simply take the Tome. That's likely what the hundreds of warriors were for. I'm not sure whether that means that any of the Orlesians were alive though... "Isabela's breakups tend to end in bloodbaths" after all.

Oh, and on a related note, Story #11 of Snacking: Mirror, Mirror has been posted. Cheers.

[Jellyfloater]

I don't think the Qunari are really the type for betrayal. My impression of the Qunari, and the Arishok in particularly, is that they seem to be quite honourable... The Qun teaches how one must accept their own nature, and how they are a part of the whole... Logically, any sort of deception is in direct contradiction to the core tenets of the Qun, as it denies the truth of the world.

Of course, the Qunari could very easily rationalise that since the bas deny their own nature, deception towards them is in fact assisting in bringing the world back into balance.


I'm really loving that hurricane of euphemisms in the new story, hooray. It's fantastic.

[TobiTobsen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Oh, and on a related note, Story #11 of Snacking: Mirror, Mirror has been posted. Cheers.

I really love how you write the whole Merril&Isabela dynamic. Your dialogue of all the always sounds like actual ingame dialogue.

Oh... and the bonus had me giggling the whole time. Poor Aveline

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Master Shiori]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Oh, and on a related note, Story #11 of Snacking: Mirror, Mirror has been posted. Cheers.

I love it!! <3

Honesty hooray, you've become an expert at writing DA2 characters. They're so in character that you'd think the actual writers at Bioware wrote this story.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 27 octobre 2011 - 09:04 .

[Mr.House]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Oh, and on a related note, Story #11 of Snacking: Mirror, Mirror has been posted. Cheers.

Woohoo, I have some awesome Izzy stuff to read later :happy:

[hoorayforicecream]

Jellyfloater wrote...

I don't think the Qunari are really the type for betrayal. My impression of the Qunari, and the Arishok in particularly, is that they seem to be quite honourable... The Qun teaches how one must accept their own nature, and how they are a part of the whole... Logically, any sort of deception is in direct contradiction to the core tenets of the Qun, as it denies the truth of the world.

Of course, the Qunari could very easily rationalise that since the bas deny their own nature, deception towards them is in fact assisting in bringing the world back into balance.


I'm really loving that hurricane of euphemisms in the new story, hooray. It's fantastic.

Glad you like the story. The reason I bring up the honor/treaty/betrayal thing is because of some banter during DAO between Sten and Alistair. As follows:

• Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the Qunari one day.
• Sten: My people do not negotiate.
• Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.
• Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
• Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
• Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.
• Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.
• Sten: They do. The honor of the Qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

If Sten is correct, the Qunari wouldn't feel any remorse ignoring any treaty (or deal) if it suited them.

[upsettingshorts]

The way that struck me is the Qunari treat the agreement more as an armistice than a peace treaty. Whereas the rest of Thedas treats it as the latter.