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[Quething]

@hooray: I guess it'd depend on when she stole the Tome, and how the Qunari found out she'd done so. Even barring their whole "anyone who touches the Tome but us must suffer" thing, we know they've got that utterly literal "shoot the messenger" policy, so if they met up with the Orlesians and the Orlesians were like "see that ship on the horizon? They just took it" then, no. Things don't look good for them. But if they, for instance, docked at a prearranged port and walked off their ship to a dozen dockhands unable to shut up about "did you hear some pirates just made off with that Tome the Qunari were here for?" I don't think they'd waste the time.

Upon further reflection, I bet the Qunari offered the Orlesians the formula for gaatlock, and planned to give the formula for saar-qamek instead just in case one of them escaped with it. It seems odd that a bunch of soldiers would just have those on hand otherwise (they're not, after all, weapons-makers or chemists), and the Arishok's use of that particular blind against the Crazed Elf makes a bit more sense if you figure it's a plan he already had and didn't want to let go to waste than if you figure it's something he just randomly came up with while sitting on his thumb in Kirkwall.

[Mr.House]

It's possible that when Izzy got the tome, the Qunari came into view. That's how I interpreted the scene and then the Qunari ship was stuck on Izzys behind like a bad rash.

[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...

@hooray: I guess it'd depend on when she stole the Tome, and how the Qunari found out she'd done so. Even barring their whole "anyone who touches the Tome but us must suffer" thing, we know they've got that utterly literal "shoot the messenger" policy, so if they met up with the Orlesians and the Orlesians were like "see that ship on the horizon? They just took it" then, no. Things don't look good for them. But if they, for instance, docked at a prearranged port and walked off their ship to a dozen dockhands unable to shut up about "did you hear some pirates just made off with that Tome the Qunari were here for?" I don't think they'd waste the time.

Upon further reflection, I bet the Qunari offered the Orlesians the formula for gaatlock, and planned to give the formula for saar-qamek instead just in case one of them escaped with it. It seems odd that a bunch of soldiers would just have those on hand otherwise (they're not, after all, weapons-makers or chemists), and the Arishok's use of that particular blind against the Crazed Elf makes a bit more sense if you figure it's a plan he already had and didn't want to let go to waste than if you figure it's something he just randomly came up with while sitting on his thumb in Kirkwall.

Oh, I'm sure that the Qunari would prioritize the tome over squishing the annoying bas in their way unless squishing the bas was a quick affair. I'm just not entirely sure that many of the Orlesians would have been alive to point the Qunari at whoever. If there weren't many Orlesians left, they'd probably have been quickly crushed by the Arishok's warriors (as long as it wasn't a protracted battle). 

I expected that Isabela and crew probably attacked the Orlesians when they were vulnerable and killed a good number of them before taking the tome. I really don't see Isabela as the type to leave many survivors or bother tying up/knocking out the guards and sailors. Stab first, ask questions later, right?

On a totally unrelated note...

I am doing some research for a scene in an upcoming story. In it, Hawke and Isabela will be attending a nobleman's party held at a ballroom with dancing and such. They will be dressed to impress, and attempting to capture the eye of everyone in the room. So what sort of eveningwear will they be exhibiting? What color scheme? What sort of accessories? How will their hair be done?

Help me come up with some good visualizations!

[whykikyouwhy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

On a totally unrelated note...

I am doing some research for a scene in an upcoming story. In it, Hawke and Isabela will be attending a nobleman's party held at a ballroom with dancing and such. They will be dressed to impress, and attempting to capture the eye of everyone in the room. So what sort of eveningwear will they be exhibiting? What color scheme? What sort of accessories? How will their hair be done?

Help me come up with some good visualizations!

I keep coming back to the same visual for Isabela - maybe because it's a good one. But I see her in something similar to what Salma Hayek is wearing in a Campari commercial - low cut, snug, long slit on the side. Maybe not with the same sort of bejeweled trim (not sure how Thedan that is). It works in black, possibly even red, definitely in blue. Or perhaps a rich, deep purple.


For Hawke, I see a similar fit, though with a neckline similar to what Bethany was wearing in Act 1 - off the shoulder and such. But, with sleeves, and perhaps not with the slit (but hugging her athletic curves). I see Hawke in blues or greens though.

[Asch Lavigne]

I really hope at some point Isabela comes back if you handed her over to the Arishok. What Varric told Cassandra if you took that option has me interested. Maybe she'll hire a certain former Antivan Crowe. Oh no wait I helped him so why would he try to kill me.... Still, I want to know what will happen!

[Quething]

Ah, see, I always figured Isabela stole the Tome thief-style rather than pirate-style; pickpocketing over mugging, as it were. It just seems like too big a target to take with open force, at least with one lone ship. Also, given how well she reacts to any time Hawke shows guile and subtlety, and her own choice to blackmail rather than kill Castillon, it just seems like she'd generally prefer to pull a sneaky heist than a bloody one.

All I can add to the fashion discussion is Isabela looks really good in red. Red and gold. Hawke, if you're using the default Marian, is more of a winter and wears blue and silver well.

[Master Shiori]

Somebody at Deviantart drew a pic of Isabela and Marian at the fancy party.

Let me dig it out.. here we go:



http://browse.devian...et=696#/d4a9ybg

[Mr.House]

I really wish they would have put the two party members in a dress. I really wanted to see Izzy and Aveline in some fancy dress.

[Master Shiori]

Mr.House wrote...

I really wish they would have put the two party members in a dress. I really wanted to see Izzy and Aveline in some fancy dress.

I wanted Izzy to join Hawke and Tallis and hear her comments about the other party guests. 

Oh, and a dance scene between Hawke and his/her LI would have been awesome..

[shotgun-shepard]

I can't see my Hawke being forced into a dress at all, so I was really thrilled with her party attire in MOTA and if she is wearing a suit type thing, she and Isabela can colour co-ordinate. Though it has to be red or blue because those are just their colours. And I assume Hawke would want everyone at the party to get the impression that she is actually 'with' Isabela so that all the noble women stop trying to lock her in a room with their sons

[hoorayforicecream]

Hello, my lovelies. Shotty: That would be the case normally, but in this story there are... extenuating circumstances. You'll see once the story is written. Suffice it to say that the outline for it is much more actiony than the last one. It's closer to the treasure hunt of Amuse-bouche and Primo than the chatty conversation of Mirror, Mirror.

But don't think that I am here just to tease with vague information. I've also found this absolutely gorgeous offering from neon owls, who is a dyed-in-the-wool Fenders shipper. I suppose there is also some Hawke and Isabela in there too, which is why I am bringing this to you. Behold!

[PurpleWhisper]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Hello, my lovelies. Shotty: That would be the case normally, but in this story there are... extenuating circumstances. You'll see once the story is written. Suffice it to say that the outline for it is much more actiony than the last one. It's closer to the treasure hunt of Amuse-bouche and Primo than the chatty conversation of Mirror, Mirror.

But don't think that I am here just to tease with vague information. I've also found this absolutely gorgeous offering from neon owls, who is a dyed-in-the-wool Fenders shipper. I suppose there is also some Hawke and Isabela in there too, which is why I am bringing this to you. Behold!

Ooo nice find! Really nice picture

Also, its mean to tease you know. Can't wait until my next fix from your snacking series. Not only do those fics paint exactly the right picture of Hawke and Isabela's relationship as I imagine it, but it also answers questions that used to itch my brain. For example, it dealt with the Zev issue perfectly and we *finally* found out why that hat shop was so amazing lol.

Anyway since im here, some random Isabela obsevations since replaying the 2 DLCs:

Legacy
- Once i managed by some enormous strength of will to romance Merrill and not Isabela. I took these two along during Legacy minus a sibling. And i was plesantly surprised when Malcolm's voice rang out it was Isabela who stepped up and said something to Hawke depite not even being the romance option. It was unusual seeing as we all know she is not a great lover of serious family related talkage. As she muses to Hawke that it must be wonderful to hear the guy again, it made my really wonder about her own father or what might have prompted her to bother saying anything at all.

- In more shallow musings is also wonder what the heck happened with that fire and the goat  (isabela/fenris banter).

- Also the "and you wonder why i don't wear pants' comment from Isabela on that DLC cracked me up for the simple reason i never wondered that at all. She is Isabela. She is pantless. And thats the way the world should be lol.

- Also, it seems that though Isabela is generally fearless, going deep unground seems to make her very uncomfortable. If you take her to the Deeproads she makes a comment at one point where she outwardly admits that she really really doesn't like this, and its a rare moment where she genuinly seems rattled. She also approves if you choose not to do the Fools Gold quest (another deep roads quest) and in Legacy she grumbles more, the deeper into the prison you go to the point of saying she wished she'd said no to helping Hawke. I love that depite all this, she still follows Hawke anyway and has her back all the way. She may be a lot of things but once you have her friendships shes the most loyal of the bunch imo.

- I also kinda feel like theres potential for a 'missing scene' at the end of this DLC. After the mother trauma Isbela showed up for Hawke. I kind imagine that after the family adventure she might just do the same. Afterall carver/bethany weren't exactly very kind to Hawke and returning to that empty mansion with her younger sibling still at arms' length has gotta be tough. I think there has never been more of a call for an Isabela-filled bath lol.

- Lastly, i find it odd that Isabela is not a fan of dogs. I would have though she and Dog could get up to all sorts of mischief if unleashed on Kirkwall together for a day. I wonder why she isn't keen on the lil fluffer.

Mark Of The Assassin
-  Isabela displays a lil bit of jealous towards Tallis in the caves but only if you are playing female Hawke. While im def not complaining (it was awesomeness), i do wonder why she would be more possessive of one gender over another. Though for me she does suit female Hawke way better anyway.

- I also kind of wonder how they got to Orlais. Surely a boat and then travelling on foot would take forever? Somehow the idea of Merril and Isabela travelling on horseback makes me chuckle. Merril would be like a pea on a drum and I would imagine that like archery, horseriding is just not one of Isabela's skills. And yet i can imagine Hawke having no trouble at all. No idea why i think this.

- I've always loved Isabela's relationships with both Merrill and Bethany. Is really shows off her warm-hearted side. She treats both of them very kindly without ever patronizing them as so many others do. The banter with circle mage bethany in this DLC continued that awesomeness. It seems that by this point Isabela is the only one left who can still make the mage laugh. I also think its sweet shes been sending Bethany books and letter (ok so they are books and letters, but its still effort that she needn't have gone to).

- Finally, didn't Hawke get totally covered in Wyvern poison at the very end fight cut scene? How did the slow, painful death not kick in on their way home?

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:43 .

[PurpleWhisper]

I need someone to confirm whether i've officially lost my mind.

This link here takes you to Victoria's showreels page. You can hear her in adverts and in stories on tape. Firstly its bloody fun listening if you haven't heard it yet. She does an amazing Irish accent and i cannot believe how many times i've heard her in adverts and didn't know it was her!

But if you listen to her voice here:
http://www.victoriak.../showreels.html

And then listen to the voice at the beginning of this music video:


Does it sound like it could be her? Or am I just hearing her everywhere now? lol.

If you listen to Isabela putting on the kid's voice saying "mother whats a slatten?" (adorable Isabela moment ) it does kinda sound similar to that voice at the start of the video. And its not entirely impossible as the singer is based in London...

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[caradoc2000]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

Mark Of The Assassin

- I also kind of wonder how they got to Orlais.

Huh? MotA doesn't take place in Orlais.

[Quething]

Yeah, I think she's a bit claustrophobic. She's a creature of the open sea; storms, sunlight, unbroken horizon. The Deep Roads are pretty much the direct antithesis of that.

Her line in Legacy is a bug, though; it's always supposed to be Sibling > LI > Aveline > Varric, but Merrill and Fenris, for some reason, refuse to deliver their lines when they're romanced and it defaults to the next possible LI on the list. That said, I agree it's a pretty moving moment. As much as Izzy shies from and claims to suck at feelings (and as awesomely inappropriate as, say, her comments during the zombie chase in All That Remains are), she's actually a really good comforter. I haven't got that far with my Andersmancer but I'd say of the four companions who've come to my Hawkes after Leandra's death (Aveline, Fenris, Merrill, Isabela) she was easily the wisest and kindest and ultimately the only one who said what the Hawke in question needed to hear.

And yeah, after Beth pulls that "the Circle is awesome and Dad was wise not to tell any non-mage loser like you his dark secrets" crap, main!Hawke would definitely have appreciated some Izzy bubblebath.

[hoorayforicecream]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

- In more shallow musings is also wonder what the heck happened with that fire and the goat  (isabela/fenris banter).

First off, thanks for the kind words. I always like it when people say nice things about my writing. 

If I had to guess, it'd probably be some sort of scam and a case of mistaken identity. I might have to write something about this just to answer that question.

Other comments:

- No pants: It did give me pause for a moment. I mean... if there's toxic goo and she's not wearing pants, wouldn't that sting?

- Post-Legacy: Yeah, I would have liked a scene there too, but I think it may have taken away from the Leandra scene. Then again, I always want more Isabela scenes, so I may not be the most impartial judge here.

- Dog: Isabela probably schemes too much. Dog is so open and honest, which probably confuses her. She'd probably grow to like Dog (like how she grows to like Aveline), but it takes time.

- Lady vs Dude Hawke: Quething actually brought up that she seems closer to a lady Hawke than a dude Hawke in the vanilla game too - after the sex, she clearly invites a lady Hawke to continue ("It was fun, wasn't it? Well, you know, if you ever want to do it again...") whereas she seems to treat sex with a dude Hawke as more of a one-time thing ("Ha! We were using each other, sweet thing. I was curious about you, and now my curiosity is... sated.") I get the feeling that she just feels closer to lady Hawke. I prefer her with lady Hawke more myself anyway.

- Orlais: They mention that Chateau Haine is actually in the Free Marches... it's (one of) Duke Prosper's vacation homes, though it's gotta be pretty close to the border of Orlais. As for horses.. yeah, I can see Merrill and Isabela being uncomfortable on horses, having not had much experience with them at all. Hawke is too cool, and would be great at practically anything. Perhaps they would just have hired a carriage? Maybe just a wagon if it's Act 1.

- Wyvern poison: I don't think it was actually wyvern poison. It's some sort of goop that attracts wyverns, like a wyvern pheromone or something. The wyvern poison was that orange stuff that got sprayed on the ground, I think.

edit: Also, also, also!!!

Axl99's Assassin Isabela. Mashup of Assassin's Creed and DA2, we've got this lovely offering:



The art is fantastic even down to the tiny, tiny details. Note the fine flock of hawks on the hilt, the Hawke family crest on the belt, and everything in between. It's lovely!

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 01 novembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[hoorayforicecream]

And another... also from neon owls, and (perhaps appropriately) tagged "What Marian sees each morning". Hooray for sleepy head Isabela.

[Quething]

Haha, that Izzy is wearing far too many clothes to be what Marian wakes up seeing every morning XD

[Jellyfloater]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Axl99's Assassin Isabela. Mashup of Assassin's Creed and DA2, we've got this lovely offering:

*snip*

Holy crap that is the awesomest thing I have ever seen.

[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...

Haha, that Izzy is wearing far too many clothes to be what Marian wakes up seeing every morning XD

I think she's just playing with the sheets.

[Errol Dnamyx]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
- Lady vs Dude Hawke: Quething actually brought up that she seems closer to a lady Hawke than a dude Hawke in the vanilla game too - after the sex, she clearly invites a lady Hawke to continue ("It was fun, wasn't it? Well, you know, if you ever want to do it again...") whereas she seems to treat sex with a dude Hawke as more of a one-time thing ("Ha! We were using each other, sweet thing. I was curious about you, and now my curiosity is... sated.") I get the feeling that she just feels closer to lady Hawke. I prefer her with lady Hawke more myself anyway.

She's obviously saying that more to herself and less to manHawke. I think she's just trying to convince herself.
Anyway, I don't think she is closer to a womanHawke, mainly because every other line after their first night is the same for both sexes and imply the same deep emotional connection. (especially in act3)

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 03 novembre 2011 - 08:15 .

[ladyofpayne]

I will never understand hwo she can save herself from qiunari if you can give her Arishok- she is in well gurded ship in open sea, but she is survived. She can breath under water or can walk on it? Or may be she just Mary Sue.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:50 .

[Quething]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Quething wrote...

Haha, that Izzy is wearing far too many clothes to be what Marian wakes up seeing every morning XD

I think she's just playing with the sheets.

Ok, I can see that.

I'm curious about the necklace, though. Doesn't look like a... ahem... flower-shaped talisman, and it's obivously not her normal elaborate snake-having thing either. A different gift?

You know that's one of the things I really miss about DA:O romances, the reciprocal gift-giving. When you give Anders the amulet he'll say "I hope one day I can give you a gift as meaningful" but, y'know. He doesn't. No ring, no rose, no earring, just lots and lots of manifesto pages shoved into every free nook and cranny of your house. Isabela, obviously, is a less tortured romantic soul, but it'd still be neat to get some kind of "don't read too much into this, Hawke, I saw it and thought of you, okay?" sort of trinket from her.

I wonder what she'd give?

Modifié par Quething, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...
Ok, I can see that.

I'm curious about the necklace, though. Doesn't look like a... ahem... flower-shaped talisman, and it's obivously not her normal elaborate snake-having thing either. A different gift?

Artistic license, I think. Perhaps Isabela has a locket of sorts underneath her choker.

You know that's one of the things I really miss about DA:O romances, the reciprocal gift-giving. When you give Anders the amulet he'll say "I hope one day I can give you a gift as meaningful" but, y'know. He doesn't. No ring, no rose, no earring, just lots and lots of manifesto pages shoved into every free nook and cranny of your house. Isabela, obviously, is a less tortured romantic soul, but it'd still be neat to get some kind of "don't read too much into this, Hawke, I saw it and thought of you, okay?" sort of trinket from her.

I wonder what she'd give?

Mmm... If I was writing her, I'd think she'd give two gifts (to reciprocate) - in act 2, and act 3, after each questioning beliefs and gift received. In Act 2, I'd expect that she'd give some sort of protective charm. Something to cover Hawke's back in case she's not there (assuaging that guilty conscience). In Act 3, I'd have her give something more personal, like a piece of her own jewelry, a matching armband, or the like. Perhaps an enchanted compass that will lead Hawke to Isabela? This is the one where she'd purposely make a big deal about not reading too much into it, but to thank Hawke for all of the things they've been through together.

[Zjarcal]

Quething wrote...

You know that's one of the things I really miss about DA:O romances, the reciprocal gift-giving. 

What reciprocal gift-giving? I never got any gifts... oh right, that's because I only romanced Leliana.