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[ladyofpayne]

Quething wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Quething wrote...

Haha, that Izzy is wearing far too many clothes to be what Marian wakes up seeing every morning XD

I think she's just playing with the sheets.

Ok, I can see that.

I'm curious about the necklace, though. Doesn't look like a... ahem... flower-shaped talisman, and it's obivously not her normal elaborate snake-having thing either. A different gift?

You know that's one of the things I really miss about DA:O romances, the reciprocal gift-giving. When you give Anders the amulet he'll say "I hope one day I can give you a gift as meaningful" but, y'know. He doesn't. No ring, no rose, no earring, just lots and lots of manifesto pages shoved into every free nook and cranny of your house. Isabela, obviously, is a less tortured romantic soul, but it'd still be neat to get some kind of "don't read too much into this, Hawke, I saw it and thought of you, okay?" sort of trinket from her.

I wonder what she'd give?

Romantic soul? 101 options to use potato-fallos. :devil:Or may be that was just her evil twin.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 04 novembre 2011 - 08:23 .

[whykikyouwhy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Mmm... If I was writing her, I'd think she'd give two gifts (to reciprocate) - in act 2, and act 3, after each questioning beliefs and gift received. In Act 2, I'd expect that she'd give some sort of protective charm. Something to cover Hawke's back in case she's not there (assuaging that guilty conscience). In Act 3, I'd have her give something more personal, like a piece of her own jewelry, a matching armband, or the like. Perhaps an enchanted compass that will lead Hawke to Isabela? This is the one where she'd purposely make a big deal about not reading too much into it, but to thank Hawke for all of the things they've been through together.

Or perhaps Isabela would give Hawke a set of keys - for the new locks on the estate doors. (This thought amused me greatly for some reason.)

Zjarcal wrote...

Quething wrote...

You know that's one of the things I really miss about DA:O romances, the reciprocal gift-giving. 

What reciprocal gift-giving? I never got any gifts... oh right, that's because I only romanced Leliana. 

I romanced Leliana as well, and I got a gift...the gift of song. Of sorts. >.>

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 04 novembre 2011 - 09:32 .

[thats1evildude]

Leliana possibly rescued my mom from Harwen Raleigh's guards. Maybe.

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I romanced Leliana as well, and I got a gift...the gift of song. Of sorts. >.>

Yeah … that was definitely one of the things I don't miss from Origins.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[whykikyouwhy]

thats1evildude wrote...

Leliana possibly rescued my mom from Harwen Raleigh's guards. Maybe.

She's a giver.

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I romanced Leliana as well, and I got a gift...the gift of song. Of sorts. >.>

Yeah … that was definitely one of the things I don't miss from Origins.

Oh, I was being euphemistic.

[Quething]

Haha, damn stingy bard women.

Hmn. Main!Hawke has a Sword of Mercy pendant she always wears that's hanging on, literally, a shoestring, and I imagine Izzy giving her a chain for it at some point, but that's pretty specific to main!Hawke. In terms of what she'd give any given Marian, I think a piece of her jewelry would really be fitting... or possibly a new piece of jewelry in a piercing she does herself? Since we know piercings and tats are a prestige thing in Rivain, I can see her being like, "no, you cannot be Champion without at least three earrings, dammit, how will anyone know how awesome you are? Er. How awesome Kirkwall thinks you are I mean."

[hoorayforicecream]

Do you think Isabela has any tattoos? She loves the jewelry, but doesn't seem to have any ink. And if she did, what sort of tattoos would she have?

[Mr.House]

I believe she has one on her arm if you look closely, unless it's part of her glove.

[caradoc2000]

If Isabela had any tattoos, wouldn't she have said so in that banter where she talks about tattoos in general?

[Master Shiori]

That's the part that surprised me. She mentions sailors getting tattoos, but doesn't seem to sport any herself.

Guess she likes to admire them on others but isn't keen on getting them herself.

Though, would Isabela suggest that Hawke get a tatoo? And if yes, which one?

[Lenimph]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Do you think Isabela has any tattoos? She loves the jewelry, but doesn't seem to have any ink. And if she did, what sort of tattoos would she have?

 

I don't she does, because I think she would have said so if she did... 

Anyway if she did it would probably be on her lower back.  Of what I have no idea....   Something oceanic probably.

[Quething]

I'm not sure she'd suggest anything for Hawke. Tats tend to be pretty personal to people who take them seriously, she'd want Hawke to get one that was meaningful to Hawke specifically, not just one that her current lover thought would look good. Maybe once they're past the "admitting to being in love stage," she might pick something that she knows has meaning for Hawke. Or she might do some Zev/Alistair style teasing pretty early, but I don't think she'd be serious about it.

As for her own skin IDK. Some people seem to read that gold snake on her arm as ink, but I agree that her dialog doesn't really bear it out. And I suspect that if I went and dug out her bump map it would have a mild profile, which would definitely mean it's supposed to be a bangle.

[hoorayforicecream]

I thought that it's a bangle around her forearm. I don't remember seeing colored tattoos on anyone in Dragon Age before, and she's already shown a proclivity for gold jewelry.

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm inclined to think that Isabela may have one or two - possibly on her shoulder or along her spine (since we have not been invited to see such regions). I see her as maybe having something by way of a protective charm (that whole lineage of the Rivaini "seer" after all).

I wouldn't find it unusual for her to *not* mention it though. For some, tattoos are very personal. Even for ones that are in places easily/readily seen, a person may be guarded about their meaning. So - if indeed a tattoo exists, and if it was something protective, or some badge of honor, she may only mention/show it to those to whom she is closest to, and even then, in private.

[Quething]

That would imply that there are certain articles of clothing she doesn't remove for 90% of her encounters, as otherwise she'd be exposing those tats to people she's not particularly close to at all.

An interesting proposition. There's certainly something sexy about the idea that only Hawke gets to see her take the boots off, or whatever.

[whykikyouwhy]

Quething wrote...

That would imply that there are certain articles of clothing she doesn't remove for 90% of her encounters, as otherwise she'd be exposing those tats to people she's not particularly close to at all.

An interesting proposition. There's certainly something sexy about the idea that only Hawke gets to see her take the boots off, or whatever.

Well, let's say that for evenings at the Rose, the clothes and boots may be off. But if anyone asks about her tattoos, which may or may not be personal, she may brush the inquiries aside - she's not there to chit-chat, after all.

The companions wouldn't see her sans her attire, save for any group bathing that might be engaged in, or if the whole Fenris thing occurred - and even then, she might not be forthcoming about the origins/meaning (and I doubt Fenris would ask).

So in my mind, it would make sense that if she did have some, she just wouldn't chat about them much. Unless there is some level of physical intimacy (be it "love-making" or not), they won't be exposed. Hence, they could remain something that she is quiet about, for whatever reason.

[Lenimph]

I don't see Isabela getting something so personal to her that she wouldn't want to explain it engraved on her body to begin with really.

[whykikyouwhy]

Oh, I don't know. A tattoo can be significant for the person getting it - the art is for him/her, the symbolism is for him/her. And while it is a visual memento, it may not be something that the person wants to talk about. Sort of the same way people might treat their scars (which may or may not have been gained/earned actively) - they're there, they're visible and evident, but they don't need to be topics of conversation.

For all of Isabela's openness about certain things, she isn't forthcoming with certain aspects of her life. Not many know about her previous marriage, for example.

[hoorayforicecream]

What if she had a tattoo under something she wouldn't normally take off? Her necklace, perhaps?

[Quething]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

For all of Isabela's openness about certain things, she isn't forthcoming with certain aspects of her life. Not many know about her previous marriage, for example.

I don't know, she's pretty free about it when Beth asks. Outright volunteers it, in fact - Beth just asks "what did you do before you were a pirate," to which Isabela could have said pretty much anything. Certainly the topic wouldn't have turned to marriage if Isabela hadn't brought it up. And I've procced that as their very first banter before, literally five minutes after recruiting her (I guess in-game you can call it half an hour to get from the Chantry to the Hanged Man...)

Which is one of the niggles I've always had about the post-coital conversation. Main!Hawke ran Beth/Merrill/Isabela through 98% of Act I. She'd known about Isabela's marriage for three years and Isabela knew it, so the "did you know/I can't imagine" exchange doesn't make much sense.

@Hooray: Apart from the neck being one of the more painful places to put a tat, I can see that. Particularly if it was something that came out of her mother's lore, since that's where you breathe from, right, and thus a ward or blessing would make good spiritual sense there.

Modifié par Quething, 07 novembre 2011 - 01:02 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Quething wrote...

I don't know, she's pretty free about it when Beth asks. Outright volunteers it, in fact - Beth just asks "what did you do before you were a pirate," to which Isabela could have said pretty much anything. Certainly the topic wouldn't have turned to marriage if Isabela hadn't brought it up. And I've procced that as their very first banter before, literally five minutes after recruiting her (I guess in-game you can call it half an hour to get from the Chantry to the Hanged Man...)

Just because she's free about one thing doesn't mean she'd be free about all things. For example, she's very close-mouthed when it comes to talking about feelings, like when she comes to visit Hawke after All That Remains. I can see how she'd be less willing to share certain aspects of her life if they are that personal. Whether a tattoo is one of them is anybody's guess, but it could be something like sharing where she got her necklace from, or what her earrings mean to her, etc. Not something she'd share with just anybody.

[Quething]

Oh, I wasn't disputing that she's a private person. I just don't think her marriage is one of the things she's private about - at least not the bare facts of it.

Actually there's a question I've been rolling around: bare facts aside, what were the details? We know he wasn't physically abusive. It's the one thing she's willing to spot him. We know she didn't love him or even like him, and was quite glad to see him dead - but despite the confident, independent nature we know her for, she wasn't able to escape or eliminate him herself. We know he bought her young, so we can probably safely assume there was an age disparity. And we know she got the Siren's Call from him, that it was his ship and she was next of kin.

But that doesn't tell us much about what it was actually like. Was he emotionally abusive, or just distant and disinterested? Her comment that "her lover killed her husband" seems to suggest she was sleeping with Zev before the hit, and he may even have been using her to get to his mark, so she obviously wasn't locked helplessly in a tower somewhere (thank god). Did he take her sailing, or did she learn that only after she got the Siren? How did she cope - did she rebel, did she spite him openly, did she hide behind a mask? Did she hang out with other trophy wives, tittering over their husbands' inadequacies?

[hoorayforicecream]

Warning: Rampant speculation. These are just things that I think, and fit with the facts we know. These are not necessarily the truth.

I see her relationship with her husband as one of mostly emotional abuse. She was bought at a very young age (I'm thinking... probably 13-15 or so), probably because she was beautiful. The husband was rich and treated her like a plaything and object, rather than an actual person. She was afforded the luxuries of a noblewoman, but she lost any innocence pretty early, and probably became much more emotionally guarded because of it.

As a result, she probably did little things to get back at him and act out. She took lovers (like Zevran) to spite him, and did little things to try to leave her gilded cage (hence how she describes what she did at the fancy parties), but her husband's influence, power and wealth were too much for her to escape. Eventually, her lover (Zevran) killed her husband (as Quething suggested, possibly been using her to gather information on his mark), and she inherited his wealth, probably around the age of 15-16 years old. Finally having the freedom she'd long craved, she took to the sea and never looked back. I'm guessing that she may have had some friendly people in the service of her husband, whom she may have convinced to join her aboard the Siren's Call. I expect that she may have learned some of the sailing craft while she was just the wife (probably accompanied her husband on voyages and paid a lot of attention since she felt more free), or possibly just had a very natural proclivity to captain a ship. Perhaps both?

[Wentletrap]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Finally having the freedom she'd long craved, she took to the sea and never looked back. I'm guessing that she may have had some friendly people in the service of her husband, whom she may have convinced to join her aboard the Siren's Call. I expect that she may have learned some of the sailing craft while she was just the wife (probably accompanied her husband on voyages and paid a lot of attention since she felt more free), or possibly just had a very natural proclivity to captain a ship. Perhaps both?

You are already writing this fic, aren't you? 

[Master Shiori]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Warning: Rampant speculation. These are just things that I think, and fit with the facts we know. These are not necessarily the truth.

I see her relationship with her husband as one of mostly emotional abuse. She was bought at a very young age (I'm thinking... probably 13-15 or so), probably because she was beautiful. The husband was rich and treated her like a plaything and object, rather than an actual person. She was afforded the luxuries of a noblewoman, but she lost any innocence pretty early, and probably became much more emotionally guarded because of it.

As a result, she probably did little things to get back at him and act out. She took lovers (like Zevran) to spite him, and did little things to try to leave her gilded cage (hence how she describes what she did at the fancy parties), but her husband's influence, power and wealth were too much for her to escape. Eventually, her lover (Zevran) killed her husband (as Quething suggested, possibly been using her to gather information on his mark), and she inherited his wealth, probably around the age of 15-16 years old. Finally having the freedom she'd long craved, she took to the sea and never looked back. I'm guessing that she may have had some friendly people in the service of her husband, whom she may have convinced to join her aboard the Siren's Call. I expect that she may have learned some of the sailing craft while she was just the wife (probably accompanied her husband on voyages and paid a lot of attention since she felt more free), or possibly just had a very natural proclivity to captain a ship. Perhaps both?

Sounds perfectly plausible to me. Pretty good analysis there, hooray. 

I wonder if you're planning to add this into Snacking in some way..

[hoorayforicecream]

I don't think I would add it to Snacking, since that's a story about Isabela and Hawke together. If I was going to write it, it would likely be its own story since I really don't think I can do the entirety justice with a short story here or there. We're talking about a woman's very exciting life, full of drama and intrigue; even my longest stories so far have been only small slices out of their lives.

I did come up with a title for it though - "How I Met My Lover". I thought it was both appropriate and a little funny, especially since it would likely be Isabela telling it to Hawke late at night before bed.